GENIUS FORUMS

Alex Jacob wrote:What is not examined is the underpinning, psychological 'reasoning' that allows such an outrageous assertion to be expressed.

Alex Jacob wrote:Daybrown?

Carl G wrote:

Alex Jacob wrote:Daybrown?

You've been upstaged by a 68-year old geezer from Arkansas. Ain't philosophy a bitch.

Never, ever trust a philosopher, of any stripe. That is the first rule of philosophy.

Daybrown, are you aware of any psychological reasons that may accompany or underpin your assertions about Judaism? If not, might there exist such? Or alternatively: if you are conscious of such, have you examined them?

Unidian :

In simpler terms, aside from "true believer" types on either side, we will probably never really know.

we (w?)
pron.
Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject: We made it to the lecture hall on time. We are planning a trip to Arizona this winter.
Used to refer to people in general, including the speaker or writer: “How can we enter the professions and yet remain civilized human beings?” (Virginia Woolf).
Used instead of I, especially by a writer wishing to reduce or avoid a subjective tone.
Used instead of I, especially by an editorialist, in expressing the opinion or point of view of a publication's management.
Used instead of I by a sovereign in formal address to refer to himself or herself.
Used instead of you in direct address, especially to imply a patronizing camaraderie with the addressee: How are we feeling today?

Can you point me to a good 911 web page debunking the 'inside job' theory, since you have done so much reserch "at some deapth", that makes you unceartain to what had transpired on that day? Maybe I missed something...(just add the link to your original post, pls.)

ps. Don't you mean "I" or "you" when you say "we"? stop patronising the readers.

Hitler On The Big Lie

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All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, where as in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. Schopenhauer called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies". Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.

FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP
Note: This article first appeared as a post written by myself at Free
Republic in late 2000. I was surprised to learn that it was copied
re-posted at dozens of sites around the world. So, it seems only fitting
that the article (with some updating) should re-appear here on my own web
site.

FAKE TERROR -
THE ROAD TO WAR AND DICTATORSHIP
It's the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times; creating
the enemies you need.

In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely wealthy man, Marcus
Licinius Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an idea of what
sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of the fire
brigade. But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race to
the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on
the spot for a tiny fraction of it's worth. If the owner sold, Crassus'
slaves would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus
allowed the building to burn to the ground. By means of this device,
Crassus eventually came to be the largest single private land holder in
Rome, and used some of his wealth to help back Julius Caesar against
Cicero.

In 70 BC Rome was still a Republic, which placed very strict limits on
what Rulers could do, and more importantly NOT do. But Crassus had no
intentions of enduring such limits to his personal power, and contrived a
plan.
Crassus seized upon the slave revolt led by Spartacus in order to strike
terror into the hearts of Rome, whose garrison Spartacus had already
defeated in battle. But Spartacus had no intention of marching on Rome
itself, a move he knew to be suicidal. Spartacus and his band wanted
nothing to do with the Roman empire and had planned from the start merely
to loot enough money from their former owners in the Italian countryside
to hire a mercenary fleet in which to sail to freedom.

Sailing away was the last thing Crassus wanted Spartacus to do. He needed
a convenient enemy with which to terrorize Rome itself for his personal
political gain. So Crassus bribed the mercenary fleet to sail without
Spartacus, then positioned two Roman legions in such a way that Spartacus
had no choice but to march on Rome.
Terrified of the impending arrival of the much-feared army of gladiators,
Rome declared Crassus Praetor. Crassus then crushed Spartacus' army and
even though Pompey took the credit, Crassus was elected Consul of Rome the
following year.

With this maneuver, the Romans surrendered their Republican form of
government. Soon would follow the first Triumvirate, consisting of
Crassus, Pompeii, and Julius Caesar, followed by the reign of the god-like
Emperors of Rome.
The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the
rule of Emperors.

Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary
accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius
Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal "vast right
wing" conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on
government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to
demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to
cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end
the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers.

What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing. Elected
Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living
with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero,
Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown
shirts. But their actions were no different than those of their Roman
predecessors. They staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as
they could, while Hitler made speeches promising that he could end the
crime wave of subversives and terrorism if he was granted extraordinary
powers.
Then the Reichstag burned down; a staged terrorist attack.
The Germans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting
the total rule of Der Fuehrer. Hitler had German troops dressed in Polish
uniforms attack the radio station at Gliewitz, then lied to the Germans,
telling them Poland had invaded, and marched Germany off into World War
Two

The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments
routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant
public. The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler
not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of
threat appeared to leave no other choice.
Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People
have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in.


In 1898, Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Randolph Hearst's
New York Journal were arguing for American intervention in Cuba. Hearst is
reported to have dispatched a photographer to Cuba to photograph the
coming war with Spain. When the photographer asked just what war that
might be, Hearst is reported to have replied, "You take the photographs,
and I will provide the war". Hearst was true to his word, as his newspaper
published stories of great atrocities being committed against the Cuban
people, most of which turned out to be complete fabrications.
On the night of February 15, 1898, the USS Maine, lying in Havana harbor
in a show of US resolve to protect her interests, exploded violently.
Captain Sigsbee, the commander of the Maine, urged that no assumptions of
enemy attack be made until there was a full investigation of the cause of
the explosion. For this, Captain Sigsbee was excoriated in the press for
"refusing to see the obvious". The Atlantic Monthly declared flat out that
to suppose the explosion to be anything other than a deliberate act by
Spain was "completely at defiance of the laws of probability".
Under the slogan "Remember the Maine", Americans went to war with Spain,
eventually winning the Philippines (and annexing Hawaii along the way).
In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data
recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there
had been no evidence of an external explosion. The most likely cause of
the sinking was a coal dust explosion in a coal bunker imprudently located
next to the ship's magazines. Captain Sigsbee's caution had been well
founded.

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt needed a war. He needed the fever of a
major war to mask the symptoms of a still deathly ill economy struggling
back from the Great Depression (and mutating towards Socialism at the same
time). Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany to stop Hitler, but despite
several provocations in the Atlantic, the American people, still
struggling with that troublesome economy, were opposed to any wars.
Roosevelt violated neutrality with lend lease, and even ordered the
sinking of several German ships in the Atlantic, but Hitler refused to be
provoked.
Roosevelt needed an enemy, and if America would not willingly attack that
enemy, then one would have to be maneuvered into attacking America, much
as Marcus Licinius Crassus has maneuvered Spartacus into attacking Rome.

The way open to war was created when Japan signed the tripartite agreement
with Italy and Germany, with all parties pledging mutual defense to each
other. Whereas Hitler would never declare war on the United States no
matter the provocation, the means to force Japan to do so were readily at
hand.
The first step was to place oil and steel embargoes on Japan, using
Japan's wars on the Asian mainland as a reason. This forced Japan to
consider seizing the oil and mineral rich regions in Indonesia. With the
European powers militarily exhausted by the war in Europe, the United
States was the only power in the Pacific able to stop Japan from invading
the Dutch East Indies, and by moving the Pacific fleet from San Diego to
Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Roosevelt made a pre-emptive strike on that fleet
the mandatory first step in any Japanese plan to extend it's empire into
the "southern resource area".
Roosevelt boxed in Japan just as completely as Crassus had boxed in
Spartacus. Japan needed oil. They had to invade Indonesia to get it, and
to do that they first had to remove the threat of the American fleet at
Pearl Harbor. There never really was any other course open to them.

To enrage the American people as much as possible, Roosevelt needed the
first overt attack by Japan to be as bloody as possible, appearing as a
sneak attack much as the Japanese had done to the Russians. From that
moment up until the attack on Pearl Harbor itself, Roosevelt and his
associates made sure that the commanders in Hawaii, General Short and
Admiral Kimmel, were kept in the dark as much as possible about the
location of the Japanese fleet and it's intentions, then later scapegoated
for the attack. (Congress recently exonerated both Short and Kimmel,
posthumously restoring them to their former ranks).

But as the Army board had concluded at the time, and subsequent
de-classified documents confirmed, Washington DC knew the attack was
coming, knew exactly where the Japanese fleet was, and knew where it was
headed.
On November 29th, Secretary of State Hull showed United Press reporter Joe
Leib a message with the time and place of the attack, and the New York
Times in it's special 12/8/41 Pearl Harbor edition, on page 13, reported
that the time and place of the attack had been known in advance!
The much repeated claim that the Japanese fleet maintained radio silence
on it's way to Hawaii was a lie. Among other intercepts still held in the
Archives of the NSA is the UNCODED message sent by the Japanese tanker
Shirya stating, "proceeding to a position 30.00 N, 154.20 E. Expect to
arrive at that point on 3 December." (near HI)
President Lyndon Johnson wanted a war in Vietnam. He wanted it to help his
friends who owned defense companies to do a little business. He needed it
to get the Pentagon and CIA to quit trying to invade Cuba. And most of
all, he needed a provocation to convince the American people that there
was really "no other choice".
On August 5, 1964, newspapers across America reported "renewed attacks"
against American destroyers operating in Vietnamese waters, specifically
the Gulf of Tonkin. The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo
boats launched an "unprovoked attack" on the USS Maddox while it was on
"routine patrol".
The truth is that USS Maddox was involved in aggressive intelligence
gathering in coordination with actual attacks by South Vietnam and the
Laotian Air Force against targets in North Vietnam. The truth is also that
there was no attack by torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Captain John
J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC
that the report was the result of an "over-eager" sonar man who had picked
up the sounds of his own ship's screws and panicked. But even with this
knowledge that the report was false, Lyndon Johnson went on national TV
that night to announce the commencement of air strikes against North
Vietnam, "retaliation" for an attack that had never occurred.

President George H. W. Bush wanted a war in Iraq. Like Crassus, George
Bush is motivated by money. Specifically oil money. But with the OPEC
alliance failing to keep limits on oil production in the Mideast, the
market was being glutted with oil pumped from underneath Iraq, which sat
over roughly 1/3 of the oil reserves of the entire region.

George wanted a war to stop that flow of oil, to keep prices (and profits)
from falling any further than they already had. But like Roosevelt, he
needed the "other side" to make the first move.
Iraq had long been trying to acquire greater access to the Persian Gulf,
and felt limited confined a narrow strip of land along Kuwait's northern
border, which placed Iraqi interests in close proximity with hostile Iran.
George Bush, who had been covertly arming Iraq during its war with Iran,
sent word via April Glaspie that the United States would not intervene if
Saddam Hussein grabbed a larger part of Kuwait. Saddam fell for the bait
and invaded.
Of course, Americans were not about to send their sons and daughters to
risk their lives for petroleum products. So George Bush arranged a hoax,
using a public relations firm which has grown rich on taxpayer money by
being most industrious and creative liars! The PR firm concocted a
monumental fraud in which the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the
United States, went on TV pretending to be a nurse, and related a horror
story in which Iraqi troops looted the incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital,
leaving the premature babies on the cold floor to die. The media, part of
the swindle from the start, never bothered asking why the "nurse" didn't
just pick the babies up and wrap them in blankets or something.
Enraged by the incubator story, Americans supported operation Desert
Storm, which never removed Saddam Hussein from power but which did take
Kuwait's oil off of the market for almost 2 years and limited Iraq's oil
exports to this very day. That our sons and daughters came home with
serious and lingering medical illnesses was apparently not too great a
price to pay for increased oil profits.

Following the victory in Iraq, yet another war appeared to be in the
offering in the mineral rich regions of Bosnia. Yet again, a hoax was used
to create support for military action.
The photo (right) of Fikret Alic staring through a barbed wire fence, was
used to "prove" the existence of modern day "Concentration Camps". As the
headline of "Belsen 92" indicates, all possible associations with the Nazi
horrors were made to sell the necessity of sending yet more American
troops into someone else's nation.

But when German Journalists went to Trnopolje, the site of the supposed
Concentration Camp. to film a documentary, they discovered that the photo
was a fake! The camp at Trnopolje was not a concentration camp but a
refugee center. Nor was it surrounded by barbed wire. Careful examination
of the original photo revealed that the photographer had shot the photo
through a broken section of fence surrounding a tool shed. It was the
photographer who was on the inside, shooting out at the refugees.
Once again, Americans had been hoaxed into support of actions they might
otherwise not have agreed with.

While several American Presidents have willingly started wars for personal
purposes, perhaps no President has ever carried it to the extreme that
Bill Clinton has.
Coincident with the expected public statement of Monica Lewinsky following
her testimony, Bill Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on Sudan and
Afghanistan, claiming to have had irrefutable proof that bogeyman
extraordinaire (and former Afghani ally) Osama Bin Ladin was creating
terrorist chemical weapons there.

Examination of the photos of the debris revealed none of the expected
structures one would find in a laboratory that handled lethal
weapons-grade materials. Assurances from the CIA that they had a positive
soil test for biological weapons fell on their face when it was revealed
that there had been no open soil anywhere near the pre-bombed facility.
Sudan requested that international observers come test the remains of the
factory for any signs of the nerve gas Clinton had insisted was there.
None was found. The Sudanese plant was a harmless aspirin factory, and the
owner has sued for damages.


Later examination of the site hit in Afghanistan revealed it to be a mosque.

Click for larger image
Meanwhile, back in Kosovo, stories about genocide and atrocities were
flooding the media (in time to distract from the Sudanese embarrassments),
just as lurid and sensational and as it turns out often just as fictional
as most of William Randolph Hearst's stories of atrocities against the
Cubans.
Again, the government and the media were hoaxing Americans. The above
photo was shown on all the American networks, claiming to be one of
Slobodan Milosovic's Migs, shot down while attacking civilians. Closer
examination (click on the photo) shows it to be stenciled in English!
Like Germany under Chancellor Hitler, there have been events in our nation
which strike fear into the hearts of the citizens, such as the New York
World Trade Tower bombing, the OK City Federal Building, and the Olympic
Park bomb (nicely timed to divert the media from witnesses to the TWA 800
shoot down). The media has been very quick to blame such events on
"radicals", "subversives", "vast right wing conspiracies", and other
"enemies in our midst", no different than the lies used by Cicero and
Hitler.
But on closer examination, such "domestic terrorist" events do not appear
to be what they are made out to be. The FBI had an informant inside the
World Trade Tower bombers, Emad Salam, who offered to sabotage the bomb.
The FBI told him "no". The so-called "hot bed" of white separatism at
Elohim City, occasional home to Tim McVeigh in the weeks prior to the OK
City bombing, was founded and is being run by an FBI informant!


And nobody has ever really explained what this second Ryder truck was
doing in a secret camp half way from Elohim City to Oklahoma City two
weeks before the bombing.
So, here we are today. Like the Romans of Crassus' and Cicero's time, or
the Germans under a newly elected Hitler, we are being warned that a
dangerous enemy threatens us, implacable, invisible, omnipresent, and
invulnerable as long as our government is hamstrung by that silly old Bill
of Rights. Already there have appeared articles debating whether or not
"extraordinary measures" (i.e. torture) are not fully justified under
certain circumstances such as those we are purported to face.
As was the case in Rome and Germany, the government continues to plead
with the public for an expansion of its power and authority, to "deal with
the crisis".
However, as Casio watch timers are paraded before the cameras, to the
stentorian tones of the talking heads' constant dire warnings, it is
legitimate to question just how real the crises is, and how much is the
result of political machinations by our own leaders.
Are the terrorists really a threat, or just hired actors with bombs and
Casio watches, paid for by Cicero and given brown shirts to wear by
Hitler?
Is terrorism inside the United States really from outside, or is it a
stage managed production, designed to cause Americans to believe they have
no choice but to surrender the Republic and accept the totalitarian rule
of a new emperor, or a new Fuhrer?
Once lost, the Romans never got their Republic back. Once lost, the
Germans never got their Republic back. In both cases, the nation had to
totally collapse before freedom was restored to the people.
Remember that when Crassus tells you that Spartacus approaches.
Remember that when thugs in the streets act in a manner clearly designed
to provoke the public fear.
Remember that when the Reichstag burns down.
Remember that when the President lies to you about weapons of mass
destruction.

In my opinion OIL > BLOOD. = WRONG!