GENIUS FORUMS

Got it?

Very good.

Now, what that means is that when I ask you a question, I am not asking that little file clerk in there to rummage around "the bank" and spit out an answer.

When I ask you a question, I am asking you to identify, a) a conclusion that is true, and b) the ideas/premises that lead to the truth of that conclusion.

I'm trying to tell you a thought is empty of inherent existence. It has no self-nature.
an appearance.
it's a possibility to enrol in or attach to.
it is reified or brought into existence.
once that happens it has an in order to for the sake of.
the possibility entrains out of it.

Bliss.

OT8
hubba chubba
what's on the menu?

I'm trying to tell you a thought is empty of inherent existence.

Yes. It is caused to come into existence.

It has no self-nature.

It has the “self-nature” of being a thought.

an appearance.

This adds what to your reasoning?

Things are not what they appear to be?

it's a possibility to enrol in or attach to.

This follows coherently how?

it is reified or brought into existence.

What is the materiality of a thought?

once that happens it has an in order to for the sake of.

There’s no way I’m going to get this til I get what you’ve stated before it, and therefore how it follows.

the possibility entrains out of it.

What possibility? Guy has an idea to build a fence, gets some tools, makes a few mistakes, ends up eventually with a fence. That sort of thing?

Bliss.

Well, sure. He might be pretty pleased with having produced a fence, but it's temporary; at least until his next idea.

If wisdom lies in the truth of and ability to create whatever you want:

OT8
hubba chubba
what's on the menu?

Dennis, in case you haven’t noticed, OT8s are not big on whipping things into existence by the power of thought. So indeed, let me ask you instead: what is on the menu?

dependent arising
fish and chips and a banana fritter
bliss

Excellent, It's settled, then. Evasiveness and unreason = bliss.

A perfect demonstration of dependent arising. (:

The obligated high brow reference wedging itself into the flow:

• “Consider the cattle, grazing as they pass you by: they do not know what is meant by yesterday or today, they leap about, eat, rest, digest, leap about again, and so from morn till night and from day to day, fettered to the moment and its pleasure or displeasure, and thus neither melancholy nor bored. This is a hard sight for man to see; for, though he thinks himself better than the animals because he is human, he cannot help envying them their bliss – what they have, a life neither bored nor painful, is precisely what he wants, yet he cannot have it because he refuses to be like an animal. A human being may well ask an animal: 'Why do you not speak to me of your happiness but only stand and gaze at me?' The animal would like to answer, and say, 'The reason is I always forget what I was going to say' - but then he forgot this answer too, and stayed silent: so that the human being was left wondering.”
  
  “But he also wonders at himself, that he cannot learn to forget but clings relentlessly to the past: however far and fast he may run, this chain runs with him. And it is a matter for wonder: a moment, now here and then gone, nothing before it came, again nothing after it has gone, nonetheless returns as a ghost and disturbs the peace of a later moment. A leaf flutters from the scroll of time, floats away – and suddenly floats back again and falls into the man’s lap. Then the man says ‘I remember’ and envies the animal, who at once forgets and for whom every moment really dies, sinks back into night and fog and is extinguished forever. This the animals lives unhistorically ... it is always the same thing that makes bliss bliss: the ability to forget or, expressed in more scholarly fashion, the capacity to feel unhistorically during its duration.... Or to express my theme even more simply: there is a degree of sleeplesness, of rumination, of the historical sense, which is harmful and ultimately fatal to the living thing, whether this living thing be man or a people or a culture.”
  
  ― Friedrich Nietzsche, Untimely Meditations

To clarify:

From personal, limited perspective and knowledge, Fredo speaks for himself and presumptively for the creatures, bovine and human, that he imagines.

“Consider the cattle, grazing as they pass me by: they do not know what is meant by yesterday or today, they leap about, eat, rest, digest, leap about again, and so from morn till night and from day to day, fettered to the moment and its pleasure or displeasure, and thus neither melancholy nor bored. This is a hard sight for Fredrich to see; for, though Fredrich thinks himself better than the animals because Fredrich is human, he cannot help envying them their bliss – what they have, a life neither bored nor painful, is precisely what Fredrich wants, yet Fredrich cannot have it because Fredrich refuses to be like an animal. Fredrich may well ask an animal: 'Why do you not speak to me of your happiness but only stand and gaze at me?' The animal would like to answer, and say, 'The reason is I always forget what I was going to say' - but then he forgot this answer too, and stayed silent: so that Fredrich was left wondering.”

“But Fredrich also wonders at himself, that he cannot learn to forget but clings relentlessly to the past: however far and fast he may run, this chain runs with him. And it is a matter for wonder: a moment, now here and then gone, nothing before it came, again nothing after it has gone, nonetheless returns as a ghost and disturbs the peace of a later moment. A leaf flutters from the scroll of time, floats away – and suddenly floats back again and falls into Fredrich’s lap. Then Fredrich says ‘I remember’ and envies the animal, who at once forgets and for whom every moment really dies, sinks back into night and fog and is extinguished forever. Thus the animals lives unhistorically ... it is always the same thing that makes bliss bliss: the ability to forget or, expressed in more scholarly fashion, the capacity to feel unhistorically during its duration.... Or to express my theme even more simply: there is a degree of sleeplesness, of rumination, of the historical sense, which is harmful and ultimately fatal to the living thing, whether this living thing be man or a people or a culture.”

― Friedrich Nietzsche, Untimely Meditations

A perfect demonstration of dependent arising. (:

exactly!
bliss is empty of self-nature.
it's a possibility.
it's generated.
it's pulled out of thin air.
there are no frikkin' reasons to justify it.
groundless ness.

emptiness cannot be refuted.
if you think a thought/feeling has self-nature that's not my problem.

Dennis, have you had the thought yet that if you remain in bliss you might not find the way out?

Dennis Mahar wrote:

A perfect demonstration of dependent arising. (:

exactly!
bliss is empty of self-nature.
it's a possibility.
it's generated.
it's pulled out of thin air.
there are no frikkin' reasons to justify it.
groundless ness.

emptiness cannot be refuted.
if you think a thought/feeling has self-nature that's not my problem.

Yes! What it means to be empty of self-nature is that it is brought into existence by what it is not; pain! problems! ignorance!

To name a few.

Just think, instead of fish and chips, you could have had that $50,000...

Bliss!

Dennis, have you had the thought yet that if you remain in bliss you might not find the way out?

You have.
A little game of reach and withdraw huh?

Dennis Mahar wrote:

Dennis, have you had the thought yet that if you remain in bliss you might not find the way out?

You have.
A little game of reach and withdraw huh?

More avoidance, more projecting, more bliss, more avoidance, more projecting, more bliss...isn't emptiness simply lov-er-ly, simply lov-er-ly, simply lov-er-ly, simply lov-er-ly, simply lov-er-ly, simply lov-er-ly..........

Do you see the possibility that bliss absorption in emptiness gets 'old?' And that only does bliss absorption in emptiness get 'old' but that it is meant to get 'old?'

Whatever that comes to be dependently, that is inherently peaceful.
Therefore, that which is presently arising as well as arising itself are peaceful.
Couldn't be otherwise.

Ring 911 and ask for the 'bliss cops'.
gotta get that shit off the streets.

What's interesting about projection is that it hits its own mark.

What's interesting about projection is that it hits its own mark.

You're talkin' about 'territory' now.
Gosh.
enlightenment!

Dennis Mahar wrote:Whatever that comes to be dependently, that is inherently peaceful.
Therefore, that which is presently arising as well as arising itself are peaceful.
Couldn't be otherwise.

Ring 911 and ask for the 'bliss cops'.
gotta get that shit off the streets.

Hate, greed, lust and delusion come to be dependently. There is nothing peaceful about hate, greed, lust and delusion.

What arises dependently is Ignorance in all its forms. To end the Ignorance of dependent origination in all its forms, one must dwell in emptiness and give it no name but this. Emptiness. Period. End of story.

emptiness is an absence of thought.
an absence of meaning.

you provide the meaning.

a tool.
the theory of anti-theory.
a description of the way things are. Useful.
appeasement of a disposition toward theorising thoughtlessly.

hence, peaceful in possibility.

Cahoot wrote:To clarify: From personal, limited perspective and knowledge, Fredo speaks for himself and presumptively for the creatures, bovine and human, that he imagines.

That's absurd since a philosopher is only as much philosopher as he can speak for all human experience. But it's the nihilist, destructive position of the fraud to copy, fracture and castrate.

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:

Cahoot wrote:To clarify: From personal, limited perspective and knowledge, Fredo speaks for himself and presumptively for the creatures, bovine and human, that he imagines.

That's absurd since a philosopher is only as much philosopher as he can speak for all human experience. But it's the nihilist, destructive position of the fraud to copy, fracture and castrate.

Lol.

Pathetic and rather disappointing to see something like that indiscriminately swallowed whole.
You can do much better if you would only place attention on truth.

The meditation speaks for the mental workings of all humans and cows?
Answer: no.

Once again … key in on the fact that the meditation is based solely on personal inference and limited perspective and knowledge, as the artful substitution of only pronouns highlights.

Hi brow indeed.

It sounds pretty, though.

Cahoot wrote: You can do much better if you would only place attention on truth.

Yes...I noticed that too about him.
It's easier to put on ignore....

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:That's absurd since a philosopher is only as much philosopher as he can speak for all human experience. But it's the nihilist, destructive position of the fraud to copy, fracture and castrate.

Your sentence contradicts itself .

"All human experience", would include a nihilist & fraud.

Don't castrate yourself .

Dennis Mahar wrote:emptiness is an absence of thought.
an absence of meaning.

you provide the meaning.

a tool.n.
the theory of anti-theory.
a description of the way things are. Useful.
appeasement of a disposition toward theorising thoughtlessly.

hence, peaceful in possibility.

However do you plan to skilfully coach emptiness using truthiness jargon such as you gave me above?