Thinking about a beginner

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Thinking about a beginner

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This thread is to remind me what the main struggles and thoughts are, of a beginner-thinker. It is sincere.

[*] "The more words, the stronger the argument. Write a big essay to overwhelm others with the appearance of a big idea."

[*] "Lots of big words, unusual words, references to authors, show that I know what I'm talking about."

[*] "I don't like criticism."

[*] "I skim read almost all the time."

[*] "I distrust authorities, because they are trying to manipulate somebody."

[*] "Someone who talks a lot about themself is arrogant, because those who are very experienced are humble and say very little."

[*] "If I copy the way others write, who are specialists, then I am close to being a specialist."

[*] "I would rather not have a deep and meaningful conversation every day. Once a week is more than enough."

[*] "I am very willing to have a philosophical conversation with someone who wants to know all about me."

[*] "I like people who accept me for who I am. If they don't like me, then I don't like them."

[*] "I think I think a lot. I would be very surprised if someone pointed out that my self-expression is incoherent."

[*] "I enjoy having an emotional life."

[*] "The world is my oyster. I can have any adventures I like, anywhere, anytime."

[*] "People who criticise my ideas don't really understand them."

[*] "I am willing to listen to criticism if the person offering the criticism respects that I might know better."

[*] "An enjoyable and fulfilling career, having enough money, good health and good friends, is more important to me right now than having a good intellectual life."

[*] "I cannot possibly live alone and just drop everything to be a thinker. I wouldn't know how to start."

[*] "I like having arguments where others are made to feel bad, and begin to appreciate my value better."

[*] "I treasure most the books that speak of something noble and rare, that I read in solitude on my holidays. They are my private gold. "

[*] "Literature written in the first person, that warns me it is a serious matter, is very frightening. I would rather not read that for a long time, until I have a lot of spare time."

[*] "I like to underline words, write in the margin, and generally treat a book as a rough draft to be edited or translated."

[*] "I rarely read everything written in a book, and often start in the middle, or at the end."

[*] "If I am alone, others think there is something wrong. They might think I'm being rude. So I try not to be alone for long."

[*] "I like music that communicates my emotions to others."

[*] "When I'm feeling aggro, I imagine there is really a force-field around myself, that I'm mentally creating to push others away."

[*] "I feel safe and happy at the beach. There is a Big Friendly Bio-spirit looking after me."

[*] "My philosophy is to be co-operative, to say something helpful that others need and want to hear. I will give my true thoughts only when there is a socially-accepted exit very close nearby."
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Re: Thinking about a beginner

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Did you write that, Kelly?
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Kelly,
[*] "Someone who talks a lot about themself is arrogant, because those who are very experienced are humble and say very little."
Since I have dealt with these issues recently, I get the impression you are speaking of me in this particular one. So I'll say how this beginner-thinker deals with these views:

"Someone who inflates his importance just to demean others is arrogant. Humility restrains pride, and reduces the sting of attacks on the ego, allowing for better objectivity than arrogance, but less than no ego whatsoever. Those excess thoughts which are irrelevant to your point should be deleted: a babbler speaks more to himself than to his audience. If you are going to write a lot that is not going to be meaningful to your audience, blog it or keep it in a journal."

I do not make a direct causal link between these. If you wanted to keep to the one-sentence form, I don't know how you'll shorten that into just one point.
[*] "I cannot possibly live alone and just drop everything to be a thinker. I wouldn't know how to start."
The irony made me laugh despite myself.
[*] "I like having arguments where others are made to feel bad, and begin to appreciate my value better."
Guilty... but only if you add an s to value. When I viciously attack someone, I end up noticing what first went against my values enough to piss me off.
A mindful man needs few words.
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I wasn't writing about anyone on this forum, Trevor. It's based around my thoughts in 2002, with some tweaking.
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Ah, well... good job, then. I remember thinking about quite a few of these at one point or another. Getting over a few -- particularly automatic distrust of authorities -- required severe reality checks.
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