Ultimate Reality and "Illuminati"

Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment.
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Nope, not even close.
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I wish people would come up with original names for God. Ancient civilisations had such interesting names for their deluded idols. Even though they were deluded ideas, at least they were original.

But then, God is a very boring idea, so I suppose it's better to tell it like it is.
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Max,

I suggest you don't solicit here for members to join your group. Just present your reasoning on what enlightenment is.
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The Foundation... is a platform for conceptual ideas.
A pulpit, you could say?

So far you come across as a preaching mechanism, not as a listening person. This is evidenced by your apparent lack of knowledge about this forum and the core ideas of its founders. If you had that knowledge, for example, you would not unqualifiedly speak of "the magic" of "light-enhancing genes" being "switched on by the shear [sheer] power of your own mind."

How do you expect people to listen if you do not come to know them before you speak, and then speak in their language?
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Okay. Couple quick technical questions, though.

1) What's the "[url]" thing about?

2) What's with the big 'ol dense blocks of text? Do you know that people will read you more if you break up those 200-word paragraphs into smaller bites?
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From Max: Thank you Carl, I will take your advise, except I will find it hard to shorten my thinking. Every word or phrase that one encounters needs expression to fulfillment. This is the essence of Philosophical debate.
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No need to shorten thinking. Simply insert a blank line wherever thoughts shift focus, every few sentences or so.
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I have called myself Max and I am speaking on behalf of The Gifted Individuals Research and Development Foundation - in fact the Foundation exists as my conceptual idea I am Gifted bordering on genius. I believe that genius can only be seen, when manifested into the real world for others to see. Is this not what your Forum is all about.
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Max,

I am familiar with much of your thinking, but the people here are generally quite mundane in their willingness to peer into the nature of reality. You may ultimately find them impervious. You know, hard nuts to crack.
I haven't engaged in discussion because there really isn't anything to argue with.
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The Light.. OOO lets hope we can crack a few nuts then eh.. ive chiseled(sp?) some already hahaha. But seriously as human we are surrounded by darkness that we create from doubts, misunderstanding and fear.

'The true spiritul light of ultimate reality' as you phrased it Max.. has NO shadows.. for in creation All that IS encompasses all, even 'perceived' darkness.

You are talking here to many 'lions' but light always shines out... just be wary of 'love' they dont like it here... even though True creational source energy is Love and Light. ;-)

How you doing boys? ;-) sorry been a little busy lately so I hope you dont mind me coming to see you all...

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An argument between elderwood and max could be quite entertaining.
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You mean constructively engage.. as Max put it ;-)
I dont 'argue' never have. Its just different understanding as I always assert.

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From The Gifted Individuals Research and Development Foundation: To Amandaxxx: Planet Earth is known in many circles as the Planet of Darkness, even the Bible equates Planet Earth as Satan's Planet of Darkness.

So if we make our own darkness then all we do is perpetuate the Darkness that this planet was in from the beginning. What we have to do is gather into ourselves the falling HOD, tears of light essence, in order to enter the lightpath back to the ultimate reality of the godhead.

We are a true prison population made in slavery to certain creator Gods. As such we were created in spiritual darkness.

you are correct, the true spiritual light of the ultimate reality has no shadows. Unfortunately this pure light essence is off-planet. The only pure light essence on Planet Earth filters down to earth from the Galactic center like stardust, or falling tear drops of light essence.

This pure light essence is gathered by the pure of spirit, or more correctly by those on earth who have received through their own willingness for enlightenment, the core essence of pure white light, or God essence in the form of holy spirit.

'Love' is just one of the many 'Virtues' needed to purify your Soul in order for your 'Spiritual Awareness' or Enlightenment to take root and grow.
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From The Gifted Individuals Research and Development Foundation: To Amandaxxx: Replies to queries under Universal Consciousness and Oneness:

The Valley of the shadow of Death, to many when reading the Bible equates to a physical place in the Middle East, some even say the outskirts of Gehenna or Hell. In another sense it has a deeper metaphysical meaning:

Taken from a mixture of Christian and Gnostic Teachings, the Kabbalah, and Celtic sources: Planet Earth is the Planet of Spiritual Darkness.

According to the Rosicrucian Order the Rose Cross represents a tesseract or folded cube that when unfolded represents a red rose opening at the break of Dawn. The first rays of sunlight strike the opening rose and reflect within the morning dew (alchemic red dragon light) that has collected upon the surface of the rose petals. This equates to the Eastern Crown Chakra and the opening of the thousand petaled Lotus.

This analogy equates to the opening of the human mind to true enlightenment. The light from the Sun was until recently regarded as the spiritual light of ultimate oneness. However new findings suggest that true spiritual light comes from our Galactic Center, a region were there are no shadows cast.

It is only when light falls on regions of less luminous intensity like Planet Earth, that shadows are cast. This Galactic Spiritual and Physical light penetrates the Utter Darkness prevalent on Planet Earth, and permeates all.

The Utter Darkness remains but gray areas are formed, that are transition areas of progress into the light back to the Godhead of ultimate reality. These gray areas are often referred to as the Valley of the shadow of Death, because they are the 'Borderland Areas', of darkness and doubt, fringing on the depths and depravities of Hell, which is the true state of Planet Earth.

Earth is Hell.

The Three Laws of Enlightenment:

1. The First Law of Enlightenment: The Law of Entry:
When Spiritual Light (core essence of Oneness) from the Godhead (ultimate oneness) enters a human Soul, it binds with that persons DNA, at the darkest point of his being, the base Chakra (home of the Kundalini or Dragon Power), it bonds with and alters a specific gene in order to switch on the spiritual light switch, to make spiritual growth possible.

A person can make this bonding happen by sheer use of his or her own mental capacities (psychic bonding).

Once bonded it cannot be destroyed, it can be subdued but never destroyed.
In other words an enlightened person (some say reborn, or born again) can and often does descend deeper into darkness, committing criminal acts, but the spark of spiritual light at the base Chakra shines strong, and stands ready for redemption through sincere repentance.

Any person Fit for Redemption, can ask to receive Spiritual Light, and if Repentance is sought, Spiritual Light is invariably given and the bonding takes place. This equates to stepping onto the Light-path and walking or running deeper and deeper towards the ultimate light of Oneness.

The stronger a person grows into Spiritual Enlightenment the faster he or she gathers the scatterings of Spiritual Light, it coalesces and forms a spiritual fog or mist often called Dragon Mist (Toltec Teachings), at the base energy point, before starting its journey back towards the godhead.

2. The Second Law of Enlightenment: The Law of Exit:
When Spiritual Light from the Godhead, through Holy Spirit, has been embedded within a human Soul, it has to find its way back to the Godhead which is off-planet. This spark of Light cannot help itself, it belongs to the Godhead and must return, no matter how long it takes, even through reincarnation cycles.

It proceeds to rise up the twin serpent path (yin and yang) around the spinal column, at an ever increasing vibrational frequency, through seven Chakra (energy points) alternating in a clockwise then anticlockwise rotation between each Energy point. (imagine luminous scattered stardust rising and rotating faster and faster up to your crown Chakra bursting out in a glow of concentrated luminescence like Moon-glow)

Culminating in a vibrational frequency of 144,000, matching the proven vibrational frequency of Light striking the surface of Planet Earth at 144,000 minutes of arc per second over the surface of the earth. When this level is attained, the spiritual light bursts out of the crown Chakra in the form of a living flame and forms a Halo around the individuals head.

The spiritual light is then given a choice to go off-planet and rejoin the ultimate oneness of being. The Gnostic's believe that the next ascension level is to a place called the Treasury of Light (Ain, AinSoph, AinSoph Or, of the Kabbalah), Over which are numerous extra Trinity levels of Light, and over all is the unity of Oneness, the Godhead itself.

In modern times only Jesus Christ attained this level before his ascension, even though others (Saints and others) are said to have followed.

3. The Third Law of Enlightenment: The Law of Exclusion: Certain individuals are born in darkness and stay in darkness, the Godhead has prohibited spiritual light from entering these Souls, mainly because of horrific crimes against humanity committed in past reincarnations, and in present Earthly Reality. These Souls are souls of Demonic forces that have no redemption under the Laws of Enlightenment.

NB: This Message is coming to you directly from the Heart of Darkness, the Cradle of Mankind - South Africa. I find it strange and yet quite acceptably normal under the circumstances, that Intellectuals world wide find refuge in their Intellectualism, spending immense amounts of time in Metaphysical, and Philosophical debate , whilst the world around them literally 'burns'.

Few take up the struggle to improve the man made Realities that we are all confronted with, e.g. war, poverty, HIV/AIDS, environmental destruction, species annihilation, global warming, crime, cannabalism, slavery, blood flowing in the streets, people being hacked to death, unspeakable sexual horrors.

Much is spoken of on this beautifully designed Genius Forum of Metaphysical concepts of Ultimate Reality and the Path to Enlightenment, and of Universal Oneness of being, little is spoken of the virtues, that lead to Oneness. It is like looking into a pool of Psychic Water and seeing reflections of man made realities of Individuals burying their heads in the sand, or wearing blinkers while the Planet self destructs.

Look around you and prove me wrong, you cannot. A shrug of the shoulders - "What can I do, as an individual, nothing, collectively lots". "Is this any form of Enlightenment, when you turn your head away and do not want to see, until it is too late". This is my last word on the subject, I leave in disgust, to continue my own mission in life, with one last thought. If anyone reading these words has gathered into themselves any of the Spiritual Light that I have mentioned, and
believes its power, then use it, it is the beginning of 'True Enlightenment'. Signing Off - Max.
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So many colorful words and categories - and yet so little said.

The world is in dire straits if the adoption of cartoonish New Age scripts is our only hope.

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I was reading the Amitabha Sutra this morning, which on surface inspection, has more colourful words and less substance than even Max's Thread.

The difference between Max's and Gotama's lands of Ultimate Bliss, is: the former are separate to Planet Earth, and are finite, whereas the latter are everywhere.
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Max,

Well they are accusing you of being a sock puppet or a troll, which remains to be seen, but I do resonate with many of the things you have said, and have come to some similar conclusions:
This pure light essence is gathered by the pure of spirit, or more correctly by those on earth who have received through their own willingness for enlightenment, the core essence of pure white light, or God essence in the form of holy spirit.
'Love' is just one of the many 'Virtues' needed to purify your Soul in order for your 'Spiritual Awareness' or Enlightenment to take root and grow.
What other virtues would you say are necessary?
Earth is Hell.
I have called it the Vestibule of hell.
When Spiritual Light (core essence of Oneness) from the Godhead (ultimate oneness) enters a human Soul, it binds with that persons DNA, at the darkest point of his being, the base Chakra (home of the Kundalini or Dragon Power), it bonds with and alters a specific gene in order to switch on the spiritual light switch, to make spiritual growth possible.
Hmmm...I had concluded (not on my own of course but based on some things I have read) that the change occurs by activating an area of the brain.
The stronger a person grows into Spiritual Enlightenment the faster he or she gathers the scatterings of Spiritual Light, it coalesces and forms a spiritual fog or mist often called Dragon Mist (Toltec Teachings), at the base energy point, before starting its journey back towards the godhead.
"To him who has, will more be given..." (Jesus)
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Max,

As with Iolas, I understand your words..

Virtues? Try compassion, forgiveness, selflessness... Or really just get in the mind of the man you just quoted Iolas. (I really must write up my a priori theological doctrine...)

In christian theology there are 4 cardinal virtues and 3 theological virtues


Cardinal Prudence
judge between actions with regard to appropriate actions at a given time

Cardinal Justice
proper moderation between the self-interest and the rights and needs of others

Cardinal Restraint or Temperance practicing self-control, abstention, and moderation

Cardinal Courage or Fortitude forbearance, endurance, and ability to confront fear and uncertainty, or intimidation

Theological Faith steadfastness in belief

Theological Hope expectation of and desire of receiving; refraining from despair

Theological Love or Charity selfless, unconditional, and voluntary loving-kindness

There are many other forms and lists of virtues... and would be interesting to hear 'max's' viewpoint.. I just took the above from wikipedia... which is not a reliable source however for academic work.

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