Causation is Free.

Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment.
Leyla Shen
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Post by Leyla Shen »

I can make no guarantees, Steven. Since I am in fact interested in clarity of thought, I will attack whatever is not it.

I am caused to out of a love for it.

I am not, like you, caused to protect my ego from "hurtful words."

Cry all you want.

Throw as many tantrums as you want.

Make as many baseless accusations as you want.

Clarity of thought is clarity of thought. It does not involve constantly editing and changing your posts in a fit of emotional confusion.

zag, I like Steven as much as I like anyone else. Ignorance is another matter.
suergaz

Post by suergaz »

Who is the least ignorant person on this forum in your opinion Leyla?
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Post by R. Steven Coyle »

I can make no guarantees, Steven. Since I am in fact interested in clarity of thought, I will attack whatever is not it.

I am caused to out of a love for it.
You attack everything but yourself, Leyla.

You show no love of truth, you only show a superficial egotism.
I am not, like you, caused to protect my ego from "hurtful words."
I've allowed the thoughts of ignorant "people" to withdraw my own love of truth. It is not the words, but my own inability to hate that disrupts my intellect.

You have used self-deception as a defense mechanism, and it shows.
Cry all you want.
Unlike you, there is in fact meaning behind my actions.
Clarity of thought is clarity of thought. It does not involve constantly editing and changing your posts in a fit of emotional confusion.
I only edited those posts with your mind, in mind.

As to not disrupt your fragile ego.
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Post by frank »

unwise wrote:
You forgot BAN. He's banned me before, but I carry no grudges. In fact, I appreciate he's allowed me back. Furthermore, I really love these guys at the QVC, really I do. They have no idea......

gaz wrote:
I too appreciate that I was unbanned. Forgive me for being banned! :D I was young and impressionable!
Banned/unbanned?

It's exercising power...it's a thing Mother's get into.

Good Boy OUT
Bad Boy GO TO YOUR ROOM
Repentant Boy COME BACK/ WATCH YOURSELF

It's hilarious..you'll get socks and undies in the mail soon.

What does :D mean gaz?

frank
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Post by suergaz »

:D means I step off laughing, loving, like a lion.

:D
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Post by unwise »

Yea, I had to take a 'time out.' You know, go to my room. --Think about what I did to upset the nice people....appologize. Repent. Recant. etc. etc.
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Post by Leyla Shen »

zag,

Given the objectives of this forum, the least ignorant people on it are the forum moderators themselves who have provided and continue to provide enough evidence of clarity of thought to have put it here. There are a few others whose clarity I appreciate, whether or not I agree or disagree with the content.

I think it’s very ignorant to come to a forum and proclaim, as Steven tends to do, that you are a genius and enlightened -- interested in truth and progressive thought/progression of others -- whilst consistently failing to demonstrate an understanding of the fundamental concepts of the forum, effectively argue for or against them and contribute something other than mundane and clichéd feel-good statements/doctrines and smiley faces. You can also see him try to pull of some sort of misguided (and often entirely incorrect) mathematical formula for truth. And all this he credits to my lies, some sort of noble concern for my fragile ego and his inability to hate which pales by comparison to my faults. Tell me, if you cannot hate lies -- especially your own -- what chance do you have for loving and telling the truth?

[Edit: spelling]
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Post by R. Steven Coyle »

I think it’s very ignorant to come to a forum and proclaim, as Steven tends to do, that you are a genius and enlightened -- interested in truth and progressive thought/progression of others -- whilst consistently failing to demonstrate an understanding of the fundamental concepts of the forum, effectively argue for or against them and contribute something other than mundane and clichéd feel-good statements/doctrines and smiley faces.
What you can't see, is that "all of that" was done in response to Woman. In this case, you.

Hopefully, no more.
You can also see him try to pull of some sort of misguided (and often entirely incorrect) mathematical formula for truth. And all this he credits to my lies, some sort of noble concern for my fragile ego and his inability to hate which pales by comparison to my faults. Tell me, if you cannot hate lies -- especially your own -- what chance do you have for loving and telling the truth?
Mathematical formula? Did you unconsciously derive that from Sue's post to belittle my understanding to bolster your ego? Yes, you did, didn't you?

I don't know why I continue to engage with you, Leyla. You are a Woman.

Truth?
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Post by Leyla Shen »

Steven,
Hopefully, no more.
What? Just can't help your unconscious self?

I look forward to it, either way.

I am seeing much truth in and efficacy in Sue's Woman, indeed. But, I did not refer to her recent post unconsciously, or telepathically. I have no need to do or to assume such things in others. I mean, why would you?

Feeling a few truths hit home?
suergaz

Post by suergaz »

Leyla:
zag,

Given the objectives of this forum, the least ignorant people on it are the forum moderators themselves who have provided and continue to provide enough evidence of clarity of thought to have put it here. There are a few others whose clarity I appreciate, whether or not I agree or disagree with the content.
Which others?
I think it’s very ignorant to come to a forum and proclaim, as Steven tends to do, that you are a genius and enlightened -- interested in truth and progressive thought/progression of others -- whilst consistently failing to demonstrate an understanding of the fundamental concepts of the forum, effectively argue for or against them and contribute something other than mundane and clichéd feel-good statements/doctrines and smiley faces. You can also see him try to pull of some sort of misguided (and often entirely incorrect) mathematical formula for truth. And all this he credits to my lies, some sort of noble concern for my fragile ego and his inability to hate which pales by comparison to my faults. Tell me, if you cannot hate lies -- especially your own -- what chance do you have for loving and telling the truth?
A great chance. Hatred of lies doesn't really aid in understanding them.
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Post by Leyla Shen »

zag,
A great chance. Hatred of lies doesn't really aid in understanding them.
I disagree with the first statement and sort of agree with the second. One must first hate them at some point, otherwise what is there to drive one to truth?
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Post by Leyla Shen »

Now, Steven, since you mentioned it:
Cats and dogs can talk and walk in their own fashion. Women obviously are as capable as cats and dogs. They are also capable of engaging in most intellectual pursuits, such as math, but this only highlights the superficial nature of these pursuits.
I think that is spot on. But I did state that you have incompetently attempted mathematicl equations for truth.

What problem do you have with it?
suergaz

Post by suergaz »

Leyla: Tell me, if you cannot hate lies -- especially your own -- what chance do you have for loving and telling the truth?

Zagreus: A great chance. Hatred of lies doesn't really aid in understanding them.

Leyla: I disagree with the first statement and sort of agree with the second. One must first hate them at some point, otherwise what is there to drive one to truth?
An understanding of them.
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Post by Leyla Shen »

What compels that understanding, zag? A natural predisposition for truth?

[Edit: God, maybe one of these days we can have a conversation that is more than one sentence at a time. Sharpen that "telepathy," boy!]
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Post by R. Steven Coyle »

Feeling a few truths hit home?
Nah, not really.

What you referring to as "telepathy" -- in this case -- is high awareness.

Note:

I don't want to talk to you anymore.

Leave me alone.
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Post by Leyla Shen »

And you are a few highs short of it, Steven. I tell you this since I know myself better than you do.
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Post by Leyla Shen »

Steven,
Leave me alone.
Again, I can make no such guarantee. Causes being what they are.
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Post by R. Steven Coyle »

Of course you do, Leyla.

What you write doesn't come from your mind at all.
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Post by suergaz »

What compels that understanding, zag? A natural predisposition for truth?

[Edit: God, maybe one of these days we can have a conversation that is more than one sentence at a time. Sharpen that "telepathy," boy!]
I think so. It definitely isn't hatred. (There's two sentences! Get your fangs into them!;)
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Post by Leyla Shen »

Of course I do what, Steven?

Amazing this mindful, individual thing that you are in one breath begging for me to leave you alone -- more than once -- and in another coming back for more.

More mindless assertions.

What would you understand of mind?

[prepares for another onslaught of mindless, non-sensical rantings]
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Post by Leyla Shen »

God fucking damn it, zag!

Elaborate on your thinking so!
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Post by R. Steven Coyle »

It's late.

Leyla!

Surely you can see the logic in it.

What you write, is your mind -- for all to read.

This is how I can know you better than you know yourself.

Or at least, know parts of yourself that you won't admit to yourself.
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Post by Leyla Shen »

Then, Steven, I know you better than yourself.

Sweet dreams.
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Post by R. Steven Coyle »

Not quite.

I know myself -- flaws included.

Good morning.
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Post by suergaz »

Me elaborate further? You said it, I only agreed. You elaborate!
In my experience women shed themselves. Rubbing your 'tough love' off on us is fine if you have to, we can be as rocks. O don't be surprised if we exclaim a bit though!
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