GENIUS FORUMS

I may or may not be a genius. If I am then I'm the lowest of geniuses. So, for sake of arguement lets put me in the void between genius and above average. Now, what I want to know is what am I working toward? I see a distinct pattern of a person's growing and ever expanding conscience from the average intellectual level to the above average level. I'm not going to bother asking what separates a genius from a non-genius because that is filled with too much controversy and I'm after the truth anyway. I will ask however, how would any of you explain the non-genius to supreme genius heirarchy? Feel free to express yourselves in analogy, prose, hell even a haiku, I don't care. I really just want to know the mind of a genius so I can know in what direction I'm supposed to train my thoughts. I'm not a dumb animal, but if I have no conception of what a person's mind is like who 'understands' ie: a mind closer to the ultimate truth... or at the very least no conception of higher principles or logic or ideas... I might as well be a beast. What makes me furious though is that I'm inbetween 'beast' and 'enlightened', so what the hell do I do? How is my mind supposed to work?? I'm not looking for an "ideal" mind, I'm looking for a mind the way it's supposed to be. What is true intellect working towards?

I need to know this, I've been hell-bent on the why's, what's, and how's of what makes a genius's mind superior!!

Well, for starters

Do you understand that you do not inherently exist?

And do you understand that cause and effect is an illusion?

do you understand that you do not inherently exist?

I understand that when people refer to themselves they are speaking of the mind (the mind equating to body, soul, "heart"). So, are you saying the mind does not exist?

And do you understand that cause and effect is an illusion?

No. But I'll listen if you want to teach me. And I thank you for it.

The point Tao, is for you to think for yourself. There are many philosophies out there, but the deepest thinkers recognize that Truth is, and always was, inside the self - a self that does not truly exist because we are all part of the greater whole.

I believe that we are all like cells of the same body. In a way we are separate, in anothe way we are connected, in another way we are only part of a Greater Whole.

What do you think?

I guess what I'm really asking is: "what do exceptional geniuses 'see' that average geniuses don't 'see', what do geniuses 'see' that non-genuises don't 'see'".

This is what I really want to know.

cory: do you understand that you do not inherently exist?

Tao: I understand that when people refer to themselves they are speaking of the mind (the mind equating to body, soul, "heart"). So, are you saying the mind does not exist?

Consider the surface of a rough ocean with waves rising and crashing.

Does a particular wave, as it rises, really exist? Does the individual, particular wave have a soul, an essence?

Where is it?

Cory: And do you understand that cause and effect is an illusion?

Tao: No. But I'll listen if you want to teach me. And I thank you for it.

What causes a wave in the ocean?

Tao, don't listen to cory. Genius is telling the truth, even when others try to convince you that lies are the truth.

millipodium wrote:Tao, don't listen to cory. Genius is telling the truth, even when others try to convince you that lies are the truth.

I have never heard a true genius tell anyone not to listen to anyone. True genius says to listen to it all, and judge for yourself.

Exceptional geniuses can differentiate the best. They gather complete information, differentiate between what is true and what is false, discard what is false or unworkable, and arrive at the optimal conclusion.

Cory:

I see what you're talking about now cory. Your message is basically the premise behind my name. Although I must admit it's hard to see that we don't exist, even as a wave in the greater ocean. The wave certainly IS part of the ocean, but like snowflakes each wave is inherently unique because of the different causal pressures forming (no matter how insignificant the differences in wave A to wave B, ad infinitum) that wave.

Elizabeth:

The point Tao, is for you to think for yourself

But if my thinking is flawed I don't want to think like that. :(

...You asked what I think? Well... for a long time I've understood that I, we, are insignificant and so is the Universe and whatever else there is because we are all parts of a part of many other parts of parts. But I've never known how to react to that thought and usually I just ignore it because whatever is happening to me now is "more significant" in the sense that it can hurt me if I don't attend to it. Basic survival I guess.

Tao, you're still quite new, and I wonder if you might have been misled by the title of the board. From your SN I gather that you understand that this is a philosophy board, but your questions make me think that the answers you seek today might better be answered here:
Understanding Genius

Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:

millipodium wrote:Tao, don't listen to cory. Genius is telling the truth, even when others try to convince you that lies are the truth.

I have never heard a true genius tell anyone not to listen to anyone. True genius says to listen to it all, and judge for yourself.

Exceptional geniuses can differentiate the best. They gather complete information, differentiate between what is true and what is false, discard what is false or unworkable, and arrive at the optimal conclusion.

Well then you already know what a true genius is. why are you asking then?

upon edit: Oh elizabeth that was you. Of course a genius would advise against listening to lies and inanities. Like "you don't exist" is good advice or something. It seems udderly ridiculous and screwed in the head to me.

Tao,

"what do exceptional geniuses 'see' that average geniuses don't 'see', what do geniuses 'see' that non-genuises don't 'see'.

A genius recognizes false thinking. There is no reason to separate genius into two kinds.

Tao's Reflection wrote:I, we, are insignificant and so is the Universe and whatever else there is because we are all parts of a part of many other parts of parts. But I've never known how to react to that thought

Not reacting is the best choice. Acting on thought and reason is the best choice. By accepting how insignificant we really are, we can see how illogical it is to get all worked up over anything. You already know how illogical it is to get worked up over the little things, but the key is that it is all little things.

I just ignore it because whatever is happening to me now is "more significant" in the sense that it can hurt me if I don't attend to it. Basic survival I guess.

The only things that can hurt you are the things that you do not sufficiently understand.

Tao, don't listen to cory. Genius is telling the truth, even when others try to convince you that lies are the truth.

Yes. This is something I've always known to be true. The smarter people are the more truthful they are with themselves and their thoughts. This has helped me immensely in my life.

A genius recognizes false thinking. There is no reason to separate genius into two kinds.

Yes, but, (I almost hate to do this because I don't like attributing 'genius' to any one person) surely "william james sidis" who's IQ was 250-300 (IQ is hotly debated I know, but lets just agree that it vaguely represents intellectual capabilities) would be more 'in tune' with his mind than let's say... Einstein who's IQ was probably less than 200?

Tao: I see what you're talking about now cory. Your message is basically the premise behind my name. Although I must admit it's hard to see that we don't exist, even as a wave in the greater ocean. The wave certainly IS part of the ocean, but like snowflakes each wave is inherently unique because of the different causal pressures forming (no matter how insignificant the differences in wave A to wave B, ad infinitum) that wave.

Yes, each manifestation is unique, but each manifestation is not caused by it's environment, but rather the manifestation is THAT part of the environment. If the environment you prefer is vulgar, then you are vulgar. You are your environment.

If one is addicted to nicotine, then one is that nicotine. That is why you crave it, because you are it, and it is dying whenever it is without itself.

That is the way with human beings. They are not living, they are dying. They ARE death, corruption.

The totality is an infinite plenum of which has no cause in itself, it has no regularity, so any manifestation you see is uniqe simply because it must be.

Making distinctions is important, going deep and subtle is important, but you can never emerge from contemplation holding a conception of causality that is true.

That is why socrates said he knew nothing at all.

Tao: You asked what I think? Well... for a long time I've understood that I, we, are insignificant and so is the Universe and whatever else there is because we are all parts of a part of many other parts of parts. But I've never known how to react to that thought and usually I just ignore it because whatever is happening to me now is "more significant" in the sense that it can hurt me if I don't attend to it. Basic survival I guess.

You will know how to act when you percieve what is death and what is life. That very perception does not cause action, it IS action.

perception is not action. It never will be. Such an assertion is completely retarded.

perception is not action. It never will be. Such an assertion is completely retarded.

then teach me what action is. Go on, please explain.

Cory Duchesne wrote:

perception is not action. It never will be. Such an assertion is completely retarded.

then teach me what action is. Go on, please explain.

I just know perception is not action. Do words mean things to you, are you in some sort of psychotic state?

millipodium wrote:perception is not action. It never will be. Such an assertion is completely retarded.

Perception quickly commands action.

Tao,

surely "william james sidis" who's IQ was 250-300 (IQ is hotly debated I know, but lets just agree that it vaguely represents intellectual capabilities) would be more 'in tune' with his mind than let's say... Einstein who's IQ was probably less than 200?

It entirely depends on what goal Sidis applies his thoughts toward. If he spends his time calculating chess moves or programming computers, he is no closer to understanding reality and destroying delusion than anyone else. If he is religious, he might even believe his mind and thoughts are gifts from the Christian God, and would then be entirely out of tune with his mind (divine inspiration rather than rational thought).

Genius is the ability to continuously align perception with intention.

Steven Coyle wrote:

millipodium wrote:perception is not action. It never will be. Such an assertion is completely retarded.

Perception quickly commands action.

so then you would agree that something that commands another thing is not the same as that thing.

Steven Coyle wrote:Genius is the ability to continuously align perception with intention.

This is finally somethin reasonable.


I'd say it's the ability to coninuously align action with survival, perhaps also using perception to fill the gaps in the feedback loop. And intention that is counter-survival, is just a bad habit.

It entirely depends on what goal Sidis applies his thoughts toward. If he spends his time calculating chess moves or programming computers, he is no closer to understanding reality and destroying delusion than anyone else.

Oh I agree completely. I was just trying to seperate their intellect though and compare what sidis has that einstein doesn't assuming they are both looking towards ultimate understanding.

Tao's Reflection wrote: Oh I agree completely. I was just trying to seperate their intellect though and compare what sidis has that einstein doesn't assuming they are both looking towards ultimate understanding.

What Sidis had was a pushy father, which ultimatly got in Sidis way.