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What does one think of when one thinks of time, Is it not a constant.I view time as a form of SPEED,In the sense that time has and always will be at ONE speed.What is Time.Time is a form of speed that runs at a constant speed.It cannot be changed.
The reason that an atomic clock will slow down when traveling through space at a high speed is because that clocks photon is traveling through more space from point A to point B relative to speed and space,But the actual time passed will be the same for me as it is for that clock and if one was sitting next to that clock,that person would observe the clock slowing down.How does one measure TIME with a device that its own principle of operation is to measure spacial distance at a set speed is somewhat troubling to me.Am I missing some point here.
Is Einstien's theory of Special Relativity flawed?.
-Gary Anderson

How, does light slow down, when entering glass or water? How does it know to speed up again, once it is out of that medium? Where does it get that extra energy?

How, does magnet hang against gravity no matter how slippery the surface is? What is the power loss ratio, while the weight of the magnet perpetually resists gravity.(nothing to do with friction or molecular bonding.) Where does this limitless perpetual electromagnetic power comes from?

Special Relativity is incomplete. The strange Quantum Physics theory adds to it. Read up on Nicola Tesla and his connection to Einstein. Tesla was genius on par with Leonardo Da Vinci. = hundreds of years ahead of his time.

Divide and conquer. You are considering too many things at once. Leave out words like "speed", "constants", "runs", etc..
These are words related to time. Describing time with such words is a fallacy - circular reasoning.

Think of how time is measured. You should realize that change and time are inseparable.

When I think of time I think of change. And when I think of change I think of patterns and rearrangements. (tic-tac, tic-tac... get it? How about day-night, day-night...?)

It is change that gives birth to time NOT the other way around. I think we are mistaken when we say that clocks measure time. Clocks are time. They serve as a pattern to which we compare other patterns.

Imagine the universe as a pattern that keeps on changing all the time. Now imagine you are part of that pattern yourself.
How would you measure time? What if the whole universe/pattern stopped changing? What would you use to measure time then? Would time exist?

Side note:
I think your concept of "Constants" might be incomplete. Einstein defined only one true constant, C - the speed of light.
However we often talk about constant speed, constant acceleration, etc., and confuse it to mean "not changing".

Surely a car going at a constant speed of 100km/h is moving. But so is a car going at 200km/h.
Relations/relativity must be considered when talking about such constants.

hsandman wrote:How, does light slow down, when entering glass or water? How does it know to speed up again, once it is out of that medium? Where does it get that extra energy?

How, does magnet hang against gravity no matter how slippery the surface is? What is the power loss ratio, while the weight of the magnet perpetually resists gravity.(nothing to do with friction or molecular bonding.) Where does this limitless perpetual electromagnetic power comes from?

Special Relativity is incomplete. The strange Quantum Physics theory adds to it. Read up on Nicola Tesla and his connection to Einstein. Tesla was genius on par with Leonardo Da Vinci. = hundreds of years ahead of his time.

Hi Hsandman,thx for the reply,I am in total agreement with your opinion on TESLA and am a big fan of quantum mechanics as I seem to grasp the ideas inparticular of Tom Beardens theories regarding electrical or magnetic explainations.I am not sure of how he is percieved in the physics community so to speak but I think hes on to something thats been overlooked for over 100 years in the electrical engineering as they march to Lorentz tune.-gmeatdaddy

Hi Truth_justice, You have an interesting point of view with regard to TIME,although I cant seem to grasp it sorry.-gmeatdaddy

gmeatdaddy:

I am reading this book now. Most of my knowlidge is self tought.. Education in school etc. = was a waste of my time. Was bored to tears, I hate to be told what to think and what to read. Guess i was bad student. :-)

Teslas legacy is out there, germans were working on this in 1940s = They succeeded, but too late to win the war. The tech is out there right now, the germans continued to work on it after the war, just in different country ;-) The final theory is/has been a history for long time now,but it is hard to get your hands on creative and uncensored ideas when they can change the world. Some people don't like changes. Only when forced by need to dominate in a war do these technologies make appearance.

The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy by Mark McCutcheon

Excerpt from the book:

Expantion Theory.

Despite the widely recognized bizarre and mysterious conclusions about our world that follow
from Quantum Therory, many of its proponets also claim that it is one of the most important,
elegant, and accurate theories known to science.

Such radically opposing aspects of the same theory can at lest be partilly attributed to unexamined assumtions and logical oversights. For example, while both the subatomic realm and energy are indeed extremely important elements of our universe and the world around us, it is a logical oversight to claim that they are important manifestations of QuantumMechanics.

In actualy, they are manifestations of whatever fundamental truth may underlie our universe, and Quantum Mechanics is simply an abstaraction that attemts to describe and model the resulting behaviour.

Of course, Expansion Theory suggests that this funamental truth is actually the phenomenon of expanding subatomic particles, which would mean that it is the physical reality of subatomic expansion that is of such great importance, not the abstract model of this physical reality proposed by the theory of Quantum Mechanics.

Quantum Physics was a realy hard concept for me = bizzaro,illogical world.

I can answer all of these things, but they are not straightforward. I think I will just answer the prism. When you see an image it is created by electrons, not photons. In a prism, or anything transparent, like water, you have less electrons, and so you see a ghostlike image. As the photons hit the electrons they are forced through a tight path by the groves in the glass. There are fewer electrons in the thinner part of the triangle, than the thicker part of the triangle. So you see a rainbow of varying power output from the electrons.. which is a rainbow.

hsandman wrote:How, does light slow down, when entering glass or water? How does it know to speed up again, once it is out of that medium? Where does it get that extra energy?

How does an ice skater speed up their rotation when pulling the leg in, and slow down again when they extend it?

Study basic physics, and you will know the answer.

How, does magnet hang against gravity no matter how slippery the surface is? What is the power loss ratio, while the weight of the magnet perpetually resists gravity.(nothing to do with friction or molecular bonding.) Where does this limitless perpetual electromagnetic power comes from?

Ah, it's as i thought, you are clueless about basic physics...

Energy is expended to do work. Work is energy transfer. As long as a magnet remains immobile, no energy is transferred. A magnet 'resisting' gravity is no more strange than your shoes not falling through the floor, 'resisting' gravity thereby. The fact that no energy is expended to keep a magnet stable is exactly why a magnet-based perpetuum mobileis impossible -- if your 'reasoning' was correct and magnets were infinite sources of energy, we could harness it via a perpetual motion machine.

it so happens that we don't fall through the floor because the electron shells of atoms repel each other. The force keeping a magnet afloat is the same force preventing you from falling through the ground.

Special Relativity is incomplete.

Well, duh. Einstein himself proposed General Relativity a decade later, superceding Special Relativity.

hsandman wrote:I am reading this book now. Most of my knowlidge is self tought.. Education in school etc. = was a waste of my time. Was bored to tears, I hate to be told what to think and what to read. Guess i was bad student. :-)

No, just a dumb one.

Teslas legacy is out there, germans were working on this in 1940s = They succeeded, but too late to win the war. The tech is out there right now, the germans continued to work on it after the war, just in different country ;-) The final theory is/has been a history for long time now,but it is hard to get your hands on creative and uncensored ideas when they can change the world. Some people don't like changes. Only when forced by need to dominate in a war do these technologies make appearance.

it's all the Illuminati's fault.

Quantum Physics was a realy hard concept for me = bizzaro,illogical world.

I figured it would be. You don't seem to be one to actually understand anything new. Magical thinking and conspiracy theory is much easier than understanding physics and epistemology.

vicdan: wow. You are troll..

No, I am just someone who hates willful stupidity and intellectual dishonesty with a purple passion. You evidence both in copious amounts. People like you are hurting our society.

gmeatdaddy wrote:What does one think of when one thinks of time, Is it not a constant.I view time as a form of SPEED,In the sense that time has and always will be at ONE speed.What is Time.Time is a form of speed that runs at a constant speed.It cannot be changed.
The reason that an atomic clock will slow down when traveling through space at a high speed is because that clocks photon is traveling through more space from point A to point B relative to speed and space,But the actual time passed will be the same for me as it is for that clock and if one was sitting next to that clock,that person would observe the clock slowing down.How does one measure TIME with a device that its own principle of operation is to measure spacial distance at a set speed is somewhat troubling to me.Am I missing some point here.
Is Einstien's theory of Special Relativity flawed?.
-Gary Anderson

There are great philosophical debates as to whether 'time' exists independent of its measurement. In other words, any measurement of time is simply an increment of eternity or did the thing measured (time/duration) actually become a thing unto itself.

The two people in your example would not, independently, notice any fluctuation in time. There would, however, be a relative difference. Or (in other words) the person travelling at a faster rate of speed has time going slower relative to a person travelling at a slower velocity.

Newtonian physics considered time as 'a duration' and time was always fixed (the same) regardless of velocity. In Newton's cosmology 'time' was the constant. In Einstein's cosmology the constant is the speed of light and 'time' is flexible depending upon velocity. This seems paradoxical because velocity is always time dependent (e.g. miles per hour).

It is easier to understand Einstein if you go to the outer edge of his cosmology. For example, the speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second. If two travellers were in a race to travel 299,792,458 metres and one traveller covered the distance in one second and the 2nd traveller covered the distance in .9 (9/10ths) of a second then Einstein would say that both travellers moved at the speed of light except that time went slower for the 2nd traveller. Why? Because according to Einstein, light speed is the maximum speed in the universe so any velocities that may seem to be faster than light speed is because time slowed down. (Even my example is flawed because, according to Einstein, material objects can only travel at sub light speeds).

According to Einstein (and most other physicists) nature is a 'closed system'. Meaning that changes in one component can stretch to a maximum point and then any further change is reflected in the other components. So any apparent increase in the velocity of light is transmuted into time going slower rather than light speed increasing.

Time as we measure it can be infinite. Distance, as we measure it, can be infinite. Mass, as we measure it, also can be infinite. So the only variable left is velocity. Einstein determined that velocity cannot be infinite and maximum velocity is the speed of light.
Without the constant of "C" (light speed) the entire cosmology would fail and revert to Newtonian physics where time was the constant.

Einstein has never been proven to be wrong.

Einstein had been proven wrong more than once. You mean theory of relativity had never been proven wrong.

JohnChasWebb wrote:

gmeatdaddy wrote:What does one think of when one thinks of time, Is it not a constant.I view time as a form of SPEED,In the sense that time has and always will be at ONE speed.What is Time.Time is a form of speed that runs at a constant speed.It cannot be changed.
The reason that an atomic clock will slow down when traveling through space at a high speed is because that clocks photon is traveling through more space from point A to point B relative to speed and space,But the actual time passed will be the same for me as it is for that clock and if one was sitting next to that clock,that person would observe the clock slowing down.How does one measure TIME with a device that its own principle of operation is to measure spacial distance at a set speed is somewhat troubling to me.Am I missing some point here.
Is Einstien's theory of Special Relativity flawed?.
-Gary Anderson

There are great philosophical debates as to whether 'time' exists independent of its measurement. In other words, any measurement of time is simply an increment of eternity or did the thing measured (time/duration) actually become a thing unto itself.

The two people in your example would not, independently, notice any fluctuation in time. There would, however, be a relative difference. Or (in other words) the person travelling at a faster rate of speed has time going slower relative to a person travelling at a slower velocity.

Newtonian physics considered time as 'a duration' and time was always fixed (the same) regardless of velocity. In Newton's cosmology 'time' was the constant. In Einstein's cosmology the constant is the speed of light and 'time' is flexible depending upon velocity. This seems paradoxical because velocity is always time dependent (e.g. miles per hour).

It is easier to understand Einstein if you go to the outer edge of his cosmology. For example, the speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second. If two travellers were in a race to travel 299,792,458 metres and one traveller covered the distance in one second and the 2nd traveller covered the distance in .9 (9/10ths) of a second then Einstein would say that both travellers moved at the speed of light except that time went slower for the 2nd traveller. Why? Because according to Einstein, light speed is the maximum speed in the universe so any velocities that may seem to be faster than light speed is because time slowed down. (Even my example is flawed because, according to Einstein, material objects can only travel at sub light speeds).

According to Einstein (and most other physicists) nature is a 'closed system'. Meaning that changes in one component can stretch to a maximum point and then any further change is reflected in the other components. So any apparent increase in the velocity of light is transmuted into time going slower rather than light speed increasing.

Time as we measure it can be infinite. Distance, as we measure it, can be infinite. Mass, as we measure it, also can be infinite. So the only variable left is velocity. Einstein determined that velocity cannot be infinite and maximum velocity is the speed of light.
Without the constant of "C" (light speed) the entire cosmology would fail and revert to Newtonian physics where time was the constant.

Einstein has never been proven to be wrong.

Einstein is often right, however his theories need finishing. All people live at the same instance in time, there is only the present. There is no magic time travel equation. There is not really a relative speed of time. Things are not travelling away from each other.. only a moving thing is actually moving. I think that Einstein was a great mathematician, but a very poor philosopher.

Of course time isn't a constant. It is proven fact.

Some people really need to catch up with the times.

ChaoticMelody wrote:Of course time isn't a constant. It is proven fact.

Some people really need to catch up with the times.

Depends on what you mean by a proven fact. There are so many flaws in scientific understanding that it is hard to believe any proven facts. Time is always the present for everyone. Nobody lives in a different time to another person, else they would be in two seperate universes, and that would consume a lot of unnecessary energy.