GENIUS FORUMS

prince wrote: Logic is a mechanism stretched over what is, in order to structure it in a matrix. The future is the point where everything rests at 1. What is happening now, past present, future, is the calculation towards 1.

This guy must be posting in his sleep

He writes all kinds of stuff and can't prove any of it then doesn't feel he needs to. Funny

I had no idea that this forum was going to be so poor.

jupiviv wrote:No, I am not breathing right now, because right now cannot exist...

I had no idea that this forum was going to be so poor.

Well then, you are not posting for the same reason

It doesn't look "poor" to me. I'm having fun taking apart delusional concepts.

I used to get angry at people who convey all kinds of delusional concepts that they accept without testing their validity. The religious are famous for doing this. Now I like to have fun with the clowns and that has changed my world view of the reality I experience.

JonathanDavies wrote:Well then, you are not posting for the same reason

I am posting for the same reason that I am breathing.

jupiviv wrote:

JonathanDavies wrote:Well then, you are not posting for the same reason

I am posting for the same reason that I am breathing.

So, if you're not breathing NOW then when, may I ask, are you breathing, O breathless one?

JonathanDavies wrote:

jupiviv wrote:

JonathanDavies wrote:Well then, you are not posting for the same reason

I am posting for the same reason that I am breathing.

So, if you're not breathing NOW then when, may I ask, are you breathing, O breathless one?

Before we tackle that problem, let me clarify what I wanted to say - my breathing does not prove that I am here "right now," as you argued.

Now for the issue at hand - when am I breathing? My breathing is an illusion, so it does not matter to me when. It can't be said that I am not breathing, but neither can it be said that I am.

jupiviv wrote: Before we tackle that problem, let me clarify what I wanted to say - my breathing does not prove that I am here "right now," as you argued.

Now for the issue at hand - when am I breathing? My breathing is an illusion, so it does not matter to me when. It can't be said that I am not breathing, but neither can it be said that I am.

I never argued that breathing proves you are here "right now". Bring up a quote of mine where I said that. You won't be able to.

What I essentially stated is that breathing is the closest and surest way to experience the moment NOW. This is well-known among advanced meditation practitioners. I didn't make this up.

As for the rest of your post, the very concept that any apparently solid thing in this world is actually solid IS AN ILLUSION. Apparently solid matter is actually made up of nothing solid whatsoever. Before the invention of powerful enough microscopes such a statement would be seen as insane. Now, it is commonly known in quantum science. So, every aspect of apparently solid reality is an illusion, yes, that includes your breathing. However, stating this doesn't say anything.

I can easily sense that your mind is NOWHERE NEAR disciplined enough to stop your internal dialogue at will. Thus all you have are theories and wild assumptions that you cannot prove, yet you are certain you know what you are talking about.

You're a funny clown, you are!

I used to get angry at people like you. Now I tend to laugh. Silly humans. You have all these words that you feel can explain everything. In actuality, underneath all your fancy talk, you barely have a clue. Funny

JonathanDavies wrote:What I essentially stated is that breathing is the closest and surest way to experience the moment NOW. This is well-known among advanced meditation practitioners. I didn't make this up.

It could bring about the *feeling* that you are experiencing the present, but you still won't be actually experiencing "the moment NOW", because it is logically impossible to do so. I can feel that I am experiencing something, but that does not necessarily make it true.

As for the rest of your post, the very concept that any apparently solid thing in this world is actually solid IS AN ILLUSION.

Well, in one sense, an apparently solid object *can* be called actually solid, in that it is solid at the moment that I see it. A solid object at time1 is always and actually a solid object at time1, because A=A.

In another sense, it is not actually solid, because the things that define it are illusions, and it cannot possibly be solid for all eternity.

Apparently solid matter is actually made up of nothing solid whatsoever. Before the invention of powerful enough microscopes such a statement would be seen as insane. Now, it is commonly known in quantum science. So, every aspect of apparently solid reality is an illusion, yes, that includes your breathing. However, stating this doesn't say anything.

Stating that my breathing is an illusion rules out the issue of determining when I am breathing.

Time: a magazine page.

or,

a calamity of definitions.

"Well, in one sense, an apparently solid object *can* be called actually solid, in that it is solid at the moment that I see it. A solid object at time1 is always and actually a solid object at time1, because A=A.

In another sense, it is not actually solid, because the things that define it are illusions, and it cannot possibly be solid for all eternity."


MY RESPONSE:

If I didn't know better (and I don't) I would say you are deliberately taking a contrary position to my views on purpose!

Of course I know better (and I don't).

It's too late for you to change your position. You just psychologically painted yourself in a proverbial corner.

By your current reasoning: Well, in ONE sense, there is a moment that *can* be called actually NOW.

G.I. Joe!

jupiviv wrote: Before we tackle that problem, let me clarify what I wanted to say - my breathing does not prove that I am here "right now," as you argued.

"I never argued that breathing proves you are here "right now". Bring up a quote of mine where I said that. You won't be able to."

--JohnathanDavies

You are trying to hide your lies. Why did you lie about me, eh? Why did you state I argued about something that I never did argue toward?

People like you are like slippery little worms. The way to properly deal with you in forums of this nature is to resolve ONE POINT at a time and then go onto the next point.

Let's fully resolve this one

Your two options:

You lied

You are too much of an idiot to see what I actually wrote

Those are the only two options I can see. Unless you can come up with a third option

@Jonathan,

This:

I’d say that the most personal NOW experience we continually have is…our breathing. Your breathing is happening RIGHT NOW and will continue to happen RIGHT NOW all your life.

...is the point in contention. From what I can understand of this, you are saying that we can experience the "now" by our breathing. I simply debunked this position, basing on the fact that a "now" or "present" is logically impossible, and our breathing does not even enter into the question.

If you meant something different by that statement, then say what it was that you meant.

By your current reasoning: Well, in ONE sense, there is a moment that *can* be called actually NOW.

A "moment" always exists before we perceive, therefore it can never be called the present.

Just for the heck of it I decided to edit this post and yield this argument to you.

In other words:

You're right!

You win!

Congratulations!

@Jonathan, you said that our breathing is a "now experience". I take that to mean that you were saying our breathing proves that we are here in the "now," otherwise it couldn't possibly be an experience of the "now". If it does not mean that, then that statement is meaningless, and you have no argument in the first place.

Also, the issue you are so earnestly asking me to address is not even the main issue here. The topic is time. Try to keep the discussion to the topic.

JonathanDavies wrote:Ha! What a cop-out. You can't back up your big talk with action and are trying to ride on the excuse that you don't have to prove any of your off the wall concepts. Funny clown!

I am proving, by doing nothing toward you other than reflecting your argument and giving you the conflict you desire. You can't manifest what you want, in a complete sense, until you have consent, and you won't be granted consent until what you want is what I want.

That's the way it works, Clown!

You are still at the stage where you think you are autonomous.

prince wrote:

JonathanDavies wrote:Ha! What a cop-out. You can't back up your big talk with action and are trying to ride on the excuse that you don't have to prove any of your off the wall concepts. Funny clown!

I am proving, by doing nothing toward you other than reflecting your argument and giving you the conflict you desire. You can't manifest what you want, in a complete sense, until you have consent, and you won't be granted consent until what you want is what I want.

That's the way it works, Clown!

You are still at the stage where you think you are autonomous.

So you are intimating that I should not be calling people "clown" then...

you sink to my level!

What a riot!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Next you will negatively judge me while telling me that I should not judge others

You are being judged because you ask for it. You thrive on it.

The Universe is just supplying more of what you want.

prince wrote:You are being judged because you ask for it. You thrive on it.

The Universe is just supplying more of what you want.

Well, I do openly admit that I thrive on using it to my overall advantage. You humans are always negatively judging and doing your best to negate any good done for you. It is in your DNA. You OBVIOUSLY don't want any real solutions to work.

This is why benevolent UFO aliens have given up on trying to help the bulk of humanity. They are sick and tired of making extensive efforts on behalf of humanity only to have, all talk, troublemakers, LIKE YOU, cancel out their efforts.

Take a look at just part of what is on the way for the human race.

If you really think about it, this is what the bulk of the human race deserves whether you openly admit it or not

Lie to me and tell me the bulk of humanity does not deserve a scenario like this. You people like to make trouble, well guess what? Trouble is on the way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0BifYPQQJE

BTW: I did a bit of research. Those of you who are certain the above video is fake tell it to the Tacoma County Sheriff's department:

http://www.newbornpix.com/sheriff.htm

JonathanDavies wrote:You humans are always negatively judging and doing your best to negate
any good done for you. It is in your DNA. You OBVIOUSLY don't want any
real solutions to work.

I'm not a human, dipshit. hello? get with the program(me), as they say.

prince wrote:

JonathanDavies wrote:You humans are always negatively judging and doing your best to negate
any good done for you. It is in your DNA. You OBVIOUSLY don't want any
real solutions to work.

I'm not a human, dipshit. hello? get with the program(me), as they say.

Well, you most certainly aren't superhuman, so you must be...

sub-human

Nah I'm superhu-man, I just don't have all my faculties right now.

prince wrote:Nah I'm superhu-man, I just don't have all my faculties right now.

missing a few 'super'-marbles, eh?

Ya know, it's obvious that the bulk of you here post as a form of 'intellectual masturbation'. You put on your Halloween mental genius costumes then you come here to show off. You tend to be human parrots of knowledge brainwashed into you without so much as clue that you have been brainwashed into accepting the views of others as fact. It's funny that I was the "genius" who exposed you for what you are

So, where's my Genius trophy?

Oh, you are certain I am not a genius because I am not nice enough? Oh well....

jupiviv wrote:

divine focus wrote:What we perceive must occur before we think about it, but we perceive simultaneous to the occurence. The present is not in 'time.' It is simultaneous 'timing.'

It can't be said that anything occurs at all before we perceive, because the primary requirement for an occurence is the perception/conception(which are both the same thing) of that occurence.

Perception and conception are not the same thing. You can perceive without thinking at all. Take cells or plant life, for example. 'Conception' can also be considered the imagining or potentializing of an event, which is also not the same as perception. Our thinking mind is really imagination projected into a linear past and future, where sequential logic can rule. It happens after the fact of perception, since "now" (an action or movement) holds all 'time' as the thinking mind conceives of it. Its basis happens and exists prior to what it can conceive, by necessity.

The physical universe was potentialized (speaking linearly); perception creates what is; the physically-based mind thinks about what is perceived. Without the input of perception, the mind can't know anything at all. What it does know is only based on past experience.

divine focus wrote:You can perceive without thinking at all.

If I'm not thinking, then I won't be aware that I am perceiving. Perception requires some kind of conscious mental activity, which cells/plants don't have. Those life forms are like your computer.

'Conception' can also be considered the imagining or potentializing of an event, which is also not the same as perception.

Let's say that I am thinking about A=A. I have to be able to perceive a thing "A" - by whatever means, in order to do so. Another example - I'm imagining that I'm in a forest. Without perceiving the images and sounds associated with a forest in some way, I cannot imagine.