The fuel of emotions

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The fuel of emotions

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Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:Exactly what is the fuel?
Emotions are fueled by belief in inherent existence. Specifically by the belief in the inherent existence of a self. It is this self which is the ego.

When a person is able to see themselves in the context of Reality, then emotions, such as fear, desire, excitement, and boredom, etc, have no soil in which to grow.
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I considered that the ego might be the fuel tank because an ego all by itself does not cause emotions; but if we consider the ego to be the fuel, then what is the catalyst between the ego and the triggering event?

(I'd considered "triggering event" to be the catalyst because it is an action concept).
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Perhaps the catalyst would be just a consideration?
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Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:Perhaps the catalyst would be just a consideration?
The belief in inherent existence causes one to irrationally assign different degrees of value to certain things. After this irrational value has been assigned, the soil has been prepared for emotional attachment to grow.
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Specifying the consideration to be of irrational assignment of different degrees of value to certain things is a good deduction, Nick. I will have to consider my opinion on whether it is the belief in inherent existance that causes this.
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an ego all by itself does not cause emotions
The ego is a false self, and is composed of nothing other than false thoughts. It is a figment of the imagination, like a dream. It is capable of generating its delusions, including emotions.

This kind of ego is not to be confused with the "ego" of Freud's psychology, which is a different thing.
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KS:
It is capable of generating its delusions
Yes, it is "capable of" but delusion generation is not its function. Nitroglycerin is capable of killing a person in an explosion or saving a person by expanding the arteries when administered sublingually or in a transdermal paste.

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I will have to consider my opinion on whether it is the belief in inherent existance that causes this.
No Nick, I don't think so. The removal of the ego would extinguish the emotions, but just because something can undo what was done does not mean that it was a causative event.

Sometimes the news media will report "The drought has caused large brush fires..." No, the drought did not cause fire, a spark caused the fire. The drought may have made it easier for sparks to cause fires, but just because water puts out fires (and reduces the effectiveness of sparks) does not make a lack of water a cause of fire.

I think you had it closer when you said:
irrationally assign different degrees of value to certain things.
I believe that it is irrationality or illogic that sparks negative emotions, but I am still considering the catalyst of positive emotions. An average conclusion would be that there would be a common cause of all emotions, which could be considered "a biochemical reaction in the brain" but I intuit that there is more to it than that.
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KS wrote:
The ego is a false self, and is composed of nothing other than false thoughts.
If that is the entire definition, then all of:
The ego is a false self, and is composed of nothing other than false thoughts. It is a figment of the imagination, like a dream. It is capable of generating its delusions, including emotions.
would be true. I believe that I understand what the "true self" is, but I do not beleive that it is possible for a corporeal being to know all truth. Also, although it could generate emotions, that does not mean that it is the sole generator of emotions.
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Irrationality or illogic could spark false positive emotions, which could theoretically function as building blocks for justified positive emotions rather than either lead to heartbreak or just be delusions, but the spark of true positive emotions is still just beyond what I see at the moment.

(to all) What originally sparked your love of wisdom in your personal experience?
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I think I was wrong. My love of wisdom sparked from noting that things that were true and logical brought happiness. If truth, rationality, and logic bring happiness and illogic and irrationality bring unhappiness, there must be a core component underlying truth/falsehood, rationality/irrationality, and logic/illogic that sparks emotions.

I've almost got it.
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"Thought" is too broad, so is "knowledge." "Understanding" or "comprehension" might be components, but is there something missing?
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Sometimes the news media will report "The drought has caused large brush fires..." No, the drought did not cause fire, a spark caused the fire.
There are many causes of emotion, such as the existence of life itself, but without the false self, the ego, there would be no emotion, even if all the other causes are there.
believe that it is irrationality or illogic that sparks negative emotions
They lead to all emotions, including so-called "positive" ones.

A "positive emotion" is one that makes our ego feel good, such as a feeling of fullfillment, or a feeling of worth, and a "negative emotion" is one that makes ego feel bad, such as a feeling of emptiness or lack of worth.

In Buddhism this is referred to poetically as "the round of life and death", or samsara. Enlightenment is the escape from it.
(to all) What originally sparked your love of wisdom in your personal experience?
Understanding truth gives a feeling of fulfillment that is addictive to the ego. But it is a kind of drug that eventually destroys the ego from within.
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KS:
it is a kind of drug that eventually destroys the ego from within.
That's good.

The following may be a little off topic, but I was hoping that you would type out a list of the order of increments by which enlightenment destroys the ego.
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Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:I was hoping that you would type out a list of the order of increments by which enlightenment destroys the ego.
Have a read of the chapter "Stages of the Way" in my "Poison for the Heart". It goes into a lot of detail about all the increments on the way to enlightenment.

If you have any comments, put them into a separate topic.
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Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:If truth, rationality, and logic bring happiness and illogic and irrationality bring unhappiness, there must be a core component underlying truth/falsehood, rationality/irrationality, and logic/illogic that sparks emotions.

"Thought" is too broad, so is "knowledge." "Understanding" or "comprehension" might be components...
I still think there is something else between the ego and the triggering event that underlyes truth/falsehood, rationality/irrationality, and logic/illogic that sparks emotions. What do all three of those sets have in common?

Kevin wrote:
A "positive emotion" is one that makes our ego feel good, such as a feeling of fullfillment, or a feeling of worth, and a "negative emotion" is one that makes ego feel bad, such as a feeling of emptiness or lack of worth.
I do not think that it is the ego that is made to feel good or bad, but the spirit. If I am wrong on that point, then Kevin is right.
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Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:(to all) What originally sparked your love of wisdom in your personal experience?
Nothing else satisfied me. I want the best life has to offer. Anything less will not suffice. Basically, my ego feels that it deserves nothing less than perfection.
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