GENIUS FORUMS

Enlightenment or the Fully Awakened mind has been given many names. Buddha means "the enlightened one;" Christ and Messiah also mean that. St. Paul called it "the peace of God that passeth under-standing" and Richard Maurice Bucke named it "cosmic consciousness." In Zen it is satori, in yoga it is samadhi or moksha, in Sufism it is fana, in Taoism it is wu or The Ultimate Tao. Gurdjieff labeled it "objective consciousness," Sri Aurobindo spoke of the Supermind, mystery schools and occult paths speak of "illumination," "liberation," and "self-realization." Likewise, enlightenment has been symbolized by many images; the thousand-petaled lotus of Hinduism, the Holy Grail of Christianity, the clear mirror of Buddhism, Judaism's Star of David, the yin-yang circle of Taoism, the mountaintop, the swan, the still lake, the mystic rose, the eternal flame. (p. xvi)

The perennial belief in (or gnosis of... ed. mikiel) the existence of an uninterrupted intuition of Oneness is rooted in the recurring notion that humankind is uniquely situated to simultaneously experience the finite and the infinite

Consciousness has the capacity to *just be awareness itself.* This is known to meditators as nirvana, among many other names. It also has the capacity to activate manifestation through the power of intention.

This is not so mysterious when it is scaled down to localized consciousness (each a loci of omnipresent, cosmic consciousness.)

In the course of my meditation practice (an hour a day for 38 yrs) I discovered, after about three months, that I could be absolutely still for awhile and then begin noticing activity in the mind, sensations, etc. Then, after meditation, I could of course become fully active as a "doer", creating "my life."
I each case, the first person, "I" denotes consciousness. It can either be still or active. In still mode it can either be a passive, totally disengaged Witness of all variety of phenomenal experience or transcend awareness of all content whatsoever.

This must remain a total mystery to all who have never experienced "sitting"... just Being Still.

The scripture, "Be Still and know that I Am God" is based on this transcendence of "the creation" into becoming The Creator (locally, of course.)
The above is my "critique of pure reason" for whatever it may be worth to anyone here able to transcend the driven mind even for a brief period of stillness... which is enough to get the essence of it.

When both aspects of consciousness are experienced as ongoing potential reality perpetually and permanently, this is gnosis, non-dual awareness... enlightenment.

Trevor Salyzyn wrote:I notice a slant toward mysticism, in both East and West. What happened to old fashioned eudaimonia? Can't people live well without bringing bizarre mythologies into play?

eudaimonia -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
Britannica online encyclopedia article on eudaimonia:in ethics, a self- realization theory that makes happiness or personal well-being the chief good for man ...

mikiel wrote:

Trevor Salyzyn wrote:I notice a slant toward mysticism, in both East and West. What happened to old fashioned eudaimonia? Can't people live well without bringing bizarre mythologies into play?

Just off the top:

eudaimonia -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
Britannica online encyclopedia article on eudaimonia:in ethics, a self- realization theory that makes happiness or personal well-being the chief good for man ...

Enlightenment is not a feel-good philosophy nor does it have anything to to with " personal well-being (as) the chief good for man."
Enlightenment is the universal cure for suffering, but each individual must realize his/her Universal Identity as the utimate medicine to effect this cure.
Knowing the true "self" (as in "self-realization"... see "Self Realization Fellowship") is the the difference between eudaimoria and enlightenment.

prince wrote:You seem to have a grudge, problem with "The QRS" as you call it.

Wether you are right or wrong, your postings and attitude is not befitting of one who is enlightened, or even close.

What motivates you to write what you say here, when it is so derogatory of the people who run this forum?

mikiel wrote:
prince,
Your every post in reply to me has been hateful. I don't know your personal history (nor am I interested) but your post is very in-character for you and totally without substantive criticism of the content of my post or the subject of this thread.

Clearly you think and post in terms of personal bias ("grudge") against the universal understanding of enlightenment, as represented in my OP.

The universal Truth of enlightenment is my motivation. I have no personal grudge against Dan, David or Kevin. I know for sure that logic/reason is not an essential ingredient in enlightenment. All quotes in my OP testify to this Truth, as does my direct personal/transpersonal experience as a lifelong mystic and one who has transcended the illusion of personal identity for 18 yrs now.

mikiel wrote:This thread was actualy motivated by the suggestion (thread)... "that the GF be closed.

An edited version of my post on that thread:
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...The QRS Philosophy" is a dead end as a "path to enlightenment" in blatent contradiction to what mystics of all eras and Traditions have always *known* as enlightenment.
(See last link on my OP.)

... This forum is the instrument of indoctrination into the "QRS Philosophy"...
But enlightenment is consciousness of our Divine Identity totally transcending the content of consciousness, including the thinking mind.

I would like to see this forum live up to its subtitle and become ...

actually, really, truly a forum for open and respectful "Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment."
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So far everone who has responded is in total denial of the universal truth of enlightenment as expressed by enlightened ones of *all major Traditions."
See also the work of Merrell-Wolff, a philosopher who had a thorough understanding of both Western philosophy (including Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason) and Eastern mysticism, including the transcendence of the thinking process itself... of which everyone here seems totally ignorant, tho it is the basis of "classical" enlightenment.

PLease explain why you have "Divine" (Identity) capitalized.

Eh, I don't care less about running you down, I am just curious as to why you say what you do, on a forum that is clearly against your principles.

I testify to the universal Truth of enlightenment both as I know it directly and as it is expressed cross-culturally by enlightened ones from all Traditions. It is not about clarity of thinking, logic, reasoning as constantly repeated here. I am a truth teller. It is my "calling."

What do you want to achieve? Do you think this is all a joke, and we can all really get along after all?

"Utter Consciousness" is not awareness of this or that. It is Awareness Itself, omnipresent throughout the universe.

Realization of this is enlightenment... not the content and conceit of the human intellect as it exalts logic/reason and places it on the altar as a false idol, the god of the human mind.

This may be so, but why do you keep hammering the point?

As the minority voice for the Truth of the matter while nearly everyone else "keeps hammering" on logic'reason as the end-all and only Way to the big 'E.'

Haven't you made your point already? You are repeating yourself over, and over again.
You mean like "Logic/Reason is the One True God" over and over and over ad infinitum?

If you are enlightened, why don't you just leave it at that? Let the ignorant suffer, they won't listen to you anyway.

Tomas wrote:.

mikiel,

Simple .. define 'divine' in your own words.

Not some damn dictionary.


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So far everone who has responded is in total denial of the universal truth of enlightenment as expressed by enlightened ones of *all major Traditions."

See also the work of Merrell-Wolff, a philosopher who had a thorough understanding of both Western philosophy (including Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason) and Eastern mysticism, including the transcendence of the thinking process itself... of which everyone here seems totally ignorant, tho it is the basis of "classical" enlightenment.

Trevor Salyzyn wrote:miki, I have no reason to believe, from his intro quotes, that Joel Morwood is enlightened. I'll give an example. Let's say someone says, "the reason the undefined is undefined is because definitions, by definition, define", would you have any reason to believe he is enlightened?

I'll avoid Merrell-Wolff until you can convince me that Morwood is legit. We'll take this one step at a time.

(Yes, yes, this will be a highly unintelligent conversation, but I don't have an IQ of a million.)

Some people who have come to me have been disappointed to discover that I have no supernatural powers to transmit, no magic wand to wave, no extraordinary knowledge to dispense which can make them instantly wise, loving, and happy. "Who, then, are you?" they ask. "What's your secret?" My secret can be summed up in one word: Selflessness. Selflessness is the Truth. Selflessness is the Way. Selflessness is the Fruit. In reality, there is no 'you' nor 'I' nor any 'self' whatsoever. There is only Consciousness Itself—the One True God—which is what we are. All that is necessary is to Realize This, because to Realize This is Wisdom, to Live This is Love, to Be This is Happiness. So, if you really want to know my secret, look to your 'self'. In finding the source of your 'self', you will find Consciousness Itself, and nothing else. Then, you, too, will be free of your self and all its sufferings.

Do you wanna play a b.s. word game or discuss classical enlightenment?

The above statement is obviously absurd. No, I would say anyone saying the above is a not-very-intelligent bullshitter.

The above is consistent with all 58 quotes (including Joel's) from enlightened ones in the Mystical Traditions link.