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jupiviv wrote:

'Conception' can also be considered the imagining or potentializing of an event, which is also not the same as perception.

Let's say that I am thinking about A=A. I have to be able to perceive a thing "A" - by whatever means, in order to do so. Another example - I'm imagining that I'm in a forest. Without perceiving the images and sounds associated with a forest in some way, I cannot imagine.

Well, your thinking is within perception, and so is your imagining. Imagination pulls in thought from beyond perception. This is not the same as thinking about being somewhere.

divine focus wrote:Imagination pulls in thought from beyond perception. This is not the same as thinking about being somewhere.

Even if imagining, I would have to *think* that I *am* somewhere, wouldn't I? That would automatically place me in a relation to the "somewhere" I'm thinking about/imagining. Thus perception.

jupiviv wrote:

divine focus wrote:Imagination pulls in thought from beyond perception. This is not the same as thinking about being somewhere.

Even if imagining, I would have to *think* that I *am* somewhere, wouldn't I?

You can imagine being somewhere while knowing that you're still physically wherever you are (or in both places). If you're thinking about some abstract topic (say, geometric patterns and their relationships), what you are doing is focusing in your perception on a very specific field. This does not mean that the rest of your perception ceases to exist simply because your thoughts are focused in a certain direction. You can still see and know in the background what is going on around you (...maybe). Perception is wider than attention. Perception is where you are, attention is where you are focused (in thought or not).

Thinking is not visual, but rational. It's based on collective assumption, whereas perception is unitary.

@Divine focus:

If you're thinking about some abstract topic (say, geometric patterns and their relationships), what you are doing is focusing in your perception on a very specific field. This does not mean that the rest of your perception ceases to exist simply because your thoughts are focused in a certain direction.

Yes, that is why perception and conception are the same, i.e, consciousness.

Perception is wider than attention.

When I'm focusing on something, I have to perceive it also. Otherwise, there is nothing I can focus on.

Perception is where you are, attention is where you are focused (in thought or not).

I perceive the computer screen in front of me, but I'm not in the computer screen.

OK. :)