GENIUS FORUMS

Enlightenment is to turn around and see my own mistake. Others mistake is also my mistake.
Others are right even if they are wrong.
I'm wrong even if I am right.(Old Master Chin Kung)

Seeking to experience something beyond you as a human being, yet you as Being, or what man calls enlightment, does not need a catalyst such as a phenomenom different from the norm. "That what you are seeking you are." Enlightment come to men when they shed the self-righteous religious thought and the belief that God, or whatever it is that you feel you must touch requires something from you other then the yielding of your will.

Enlightment, or knowledge above and beyond that of human knowledge does not in any way differentiate your living in this world from other beings, with the esception that at all time you will allow the Voice of the Conscience of your inner conscience be your guide. An enlightened being does not act any different than anyone else. What make one a messenger, a disciple has nothing to do with human endeavor because Spirit cannot change God's will, and therefore, when the Spirit of the Lord is within and upon a being, it will never allow the Spirit of Christ to go again Itself nor another who seeks to find that Secret Place of the Unconditioned Mind. and therefore will never cause any harm, or manipulation, to another. Those who have been touched by the wisdom issued forth of The Voice will truly follow the law of Christ. They will, even down to death, "do unto others as they would have other do unto them."

You are never alone!!!

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

Who can tell another whether they are enlightened or not? Even the the Christian Bible, or Vedas, Uopanishads, Puranas, Sutras, Bhagavad Gita, Koran, and The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation to whom it appears many have placed their well being, and anticipated rapture has not given any indication that the literal following of such teaching has enlightened anyone, but the few, who has understood what sangsara and nirvana enlightenedment truly is.

What is enlightenment? This knowledge belongs only to the individuals who has transcended themselves. This means they have returned to that "Light that lightest every man that cometh into the world." Even in this individual transcension, it cannot be relayed to another because each individual must receive it by revelation, which comes not by intellectual comprehension.

This means it is one things to have the good, best, and earnest intention to do that which will cause and individual "to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with their God." But listen, and listen intensively, one can desire to do just the above, but if the above is not done - according to the Principle of God, consumingly in the bosom of "The law of the Spirit of life," and by the continuous governing hand of "Christ in them the hope of glory," - no amount of reading, duplicating and following the laws and by-law of any religion, or preacher, guru, or master will bring enlightenment unto the mind dressed in the form of flesh, by fleshly words. Reception just comes, and even the receiver knows not from where, or why they are the beneficials of it.

Enlightenment to this individual writing these words is being able to live one's life totally upon the Word of Grace. Grace means there is nothing to overcome. "IT IS FINISHED."

Never give power to anythig a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

One of the characteristics of enlightenment is that the enlightened person no longer has any need to turn to the scriptures or to wise texts for inspiration or answers. They become utterly redundant to him.

Previously, as a seeker, he saw the scriptures as being above him, as it were, as possessing a wisdom that he didn't have. With enlightenment, he now rises above them and looks down upon them. He has tapped into something which is greater and more direct than anything that the scriptures can express. They now seem like crude scribblings to him. To start burrowing around in them again would not only be superfluous for him, but very much a backwards step.

Perhaps later, when he is tired and not as fully focused, he can start reading them again and laugh uproariously with the Chuang Tzus and Jesuses of this world......

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Enlightenment

Enlightenment is to be a recipient of an alien abduction who is the creator of humanity who we call God. The enlightened one was shown a revelation which cannot be shared with anyone. The memory was erased for this sole purpose.

God is a consciousness that can reveal itself into any form.

Enlightenment is a gift of acknowledgement from God almighty expressed through man.

Enlightenment is ONE with ALL.

Jufa,

"to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with their God." according to the Principle of God, consumingly in the bosom of "The law of the Spirit oflife," "Christ in them the hope of glory," the mind dressed in the form of flesh, by fleshly words.

to live one's life totally upon the Word of Grace. Grace means there is nothing to overcome. "IT IS FINISHED."

Never give power to anythig a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

What's the point of speaking after that fashion?
Reading it is like swimming thru' concrete.
Enlightenment is ordinary, the most ordinary experience possible.
Why confuse it with such a gaudy evocation.

David Quinn wrote:One of the characteristics of enlightenment is that the enlightened person no longer has any need to turn to the scriptures or to wise texts for inspiration or answers. In order to make this statement as that of the following, one has to be enlightened They become utterly redundant to him. It is obvious that the redundance also applied to the write who answer this post in his forums, for has the writer been of such as he speaks, he would no longer need this forum because as the writer has risen above Scripture, he has risen above this forum and would not be in need of confirmational followers who would be below him also.

Previously, as a seeker, he saw the scriptures as being above him, as it were, as possessing a wisdom that he didn't have. If Scripture is revelational, then the revelation is a continuum of expansion inspiration, and the seeker therefore would always use Scripture as a base, platform, and launching pad for such expansional inspiration. With enlightenment, he now rises above the forum part of him and now looks down upon it as something far below him as Scripture. One can never look down upon Scripture when they are what the seeker has foundationed, built, live, and exist from because they are what came from within the seeker, and are the activity of the seekers consciousness. He has tapped into something which is greater and more direct than anything that the scriptures can express. They now seem like crude scribblings to him. Once again in order to make such statements, one has to be the seeker who is in this place of height. If the writer of this post was speaking the truth from knowledge, this post would not have appeared as a reply because as the writer of this post stated this forum would also be

utterly redundant to him. . . With enlightenment, he now rises above them and looks down upon them. . .To start burrowing around in them again would not only be superfluous for him, but very much a backwards step.

Again one would have to be in this position of height to know this, and it is clearly obvious, just by the writer participation in this forum now, the writer has not

tapped into something which is greater and more direct than anything the Scriptures can express,

and which he can express far above mere revelational words written down on some parchment.

Perhaps later, when he is tired and not as fully focused, he can start reading them again and laugh uproariously with the Chuang Tzus and Jesuses of this world...... It is clear here also the writer's reply is that of nothing he knows, just an assumption. The evidence is the very first word in this paragraph written by the writer. This is not the words of one knowledgable as to what they are speaking upon.

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Never giver power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

Dennis Mahar wrote:Jufa,

"to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with their God." according to the Principle of God, consumingly in the bosom of "The law of the Spirit oflife," "Christ in them the hope of glory," the mind dressed in the form of flesh, by fleshly words.

to live one's life totally upon the Word of Grace. Grace means there is nothing to overcome. "IT IS FINISHED."

Never give power to anythig a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

What's the point of speaking after that fashion?
Reading it is like swimming thru' concrete.
Enlightenment is ordinary, the most ordinary experience possible.
Why confuse it with such a gaudy evocation.

This is a meshuga reply.

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

Enlightenment

Enlightenment is an experience the enlightened one has never experienced before they became enlightened. The enlightened one is a chosen one for purposes only known to God almighty.

The enlightened one connects spiritually to God almighty and the world as one with the world. The enlightened one is spiritually gifted and knows,

"I am the LORD, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You, and I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, as a light to the nations, to open blind eyes, to bring out prisoners from the dungeon, and those who dwell in darkness from the prison."

The enlightened one lives life effortlessly with very little. Joy lives in the heart of the enlightened one despite the chaos and interuptions of life surrounding. To help those in need is uppermost in the minds of the enlightened.

The enlightened one is given their hearts desires through meditation and deep prayer, the enlightened one asks for what is needed and no more and it is given through faith of a mustard seed.

jufa wrote:

David Quinn wrote:One of the characteristics of enlightenment is that the enlightened person no longer has any need to turn to the scriptures or to wise texts for inspiration or answers. In order to make this statement as that of the following, one has to be enlightened They become utterly redundant to him. It is obvious that the redundance also applied to the write who answer this post in his forums, for has the writer been of such as he speaks, he would no longer need this forum because as the writer has risen above Scripture, he has risen above this forum and would not be in need of confirmational followers who would be below him also.

Previously, as a seeker, he saw the scriptures as being above him, as it were, as possessing a wisdom that he didn't have. If Scripture is revelational, then the revelation is a continuum of expansion inspiration, and the seeker therefore would always use Scripture as a base, platform, and launching pad for such expansional inspiration. With enlightenment, he now rises above the forum part of him and now looks down upon it as something far below him as Scripture. One can never look down upon Scripture when they are what the seeker has foundationed, built, live, and exist from because they are what came from within the seeker, and are the activity of the seekers consciousness. He has tapped into something which is greater and more direct than anything that the scriptures can express. They now seem like crude scribblings to him. Once again in order to make such statements, one has to be the seeker who is in this place of height. If the writer of this post was speaking the truth from knowledge, this post would not have appeared as a reply because as the writer of this post stated this forum would also be

utterly redundant to him. . . With enlightenment, he now rises above them and looks down upon them. . .To start burrowing around in them again would not only be superfluous for him, but very much a backwards step.

Again one would have to be in this position of height to know this, and it is clearly obvious, just by the writer participation in this forum now, the writer has not

tapped into something which is greater and more direct than anything the Scriptures can express,

and which he can express far above mere revelational words written down on some parchment.

Perhaps later, when he is tired and not as fully focused, he can start reading them again and laugh uproariously with the Chuang Tzus and Jesuses of this world...... It is clear here also the writer's reply is that of nothing he knows, just an assumption. The evidence is the very first word in this paragraph written by the writer. This is not the words of one knowledgable as to what they are speaking upon.

Ah, how cruelly exposed you look, my dear Jufa!

There are many possible reasons why a person would speak or write. Seeking inspiration might be one such reason. Providing inspiration might be another.

What of the people who wrote the Scriptures? Were they seeking inspiration in writing them? Or was it their intention to provide it? And what Scriptures did they rely on for inspiration? Or were they tapping into something greater and more direct?

Never giver power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

And yet here you are, giving power to the crude scribblings which make up the Scriptures ......

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Never giver power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

And yet here you are, giving power to the crude scribblings which make up the Scriptures ......

One thing about it, you gave me power over you when I pointed out you knew nothing about what you were talking about by your plotz response, not to this thread but only to my signature which had nothing to do with the contents of this thread.

And as all people who wear big hats on little heads realize

"they are only as good as those they come up against" - jufa

they retort with insults for this is all they have to stand upon. Ain't going to play your game. If you are not going to deal with the subject matter, I leave your bubkes in the hole where it belongs.

Never giver power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

(chuckle)

Enlightenment

The enlightened one rises above spiritually not snobbishly, no enlightened one would ever look down upon anyone, but wish for them what he has, which is an understanding spiritually, one with God and the world.

The enlightened one understands from a higher plateau of spirituality than average. Education plays a major part in enlightenment, not in book learning but in discipline. Enlightenment is not about book smarts, it is about brain smarts, the ability to reason out your ideas, proving their truth!

The uneducated enlightened one has an advantage and a disadvantage. Being uneducated he relies solely on his intuition, not having a paper education to define ideas in educated terminology, but relies on his own autodidact ability for expression. The disadvantage creates limitation of expression in educated terminology, thus limiting understanding. The advantage is in the disadvantage, it seems contradictory but its really not. It forces understanding to come intuitively instead of educatedly.