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I wrote: A=A is not a specific truth. All truths are based on A=A.

Tom: A=A is not a truth. A=A is a distinguishing tool.
A=A is the basis of all truths, so in that sense, it's a truth. It's an absolute truth.

Chair=Chair
By itself, it's an absolute truth, but it doesn't actually mean anything specifically. A specific truth would be a logical definition for "Chair", e.g. "An object used for seating, usually a platform raised from the ground by one or more legs." That would be a truth only because it's defined to be true.

But "This is a chair" is meaningless, on its own. It's neither an empirical fact (something that's only provisionally true, based on matching a definitional truth with an experience), nor is it an absolute logical truth, and nor is it a definitional truth. People will not be able to agree with you unless they know what you mean by "chair".

In other words, they can know that you're asserting something to be itself, but the content for the something is missing. They can know A=A, but what you're asserting is itself, they don't know.

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Kelly Jones wrote:You're not getting it. Jesus, can you guys pull your heads out of your dreamy arses for ten seconds? There is no division.
Kelly, It's about time you call on Jesus to help us figure out that Buddha and Him are inseparable. Now, whether Jesus and Buddha were arse-gay homosexuals, that's to be considered for a later time. When we gather up Yonder with The Apostles, there will be time to eliminate the undesirables from the HIV-positive. However, Sir Elton John said that Jesus was/is/will be a happy camper ;-)

PS - Some of you all may be fudge-packers, but I like my girlfriend much-too-much to have a strap-on rendevous :-/
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Tomas wrote:
Kelly Jones wrote:You're not getting it. Jesus, can you guys pull your heads out of your dreamy arses for ten seconds? There is no division.
Kelly, It's about time you call on Jesus to help us figure out that Buddha and Him are inseparable. Now, whether Jesus and Buddha were arse-gay homosexuals, that's to be considered for a later time. When we gather up Yonder with The Apostles, there will be time to eliminate the undesirables from the HIV-positive. However, Sir Elton John said that Jesus was/is/will be a happy camper ;-)

PS - Some of you all may be fudge-packers, but I like my girlfriend much-too-much to have a strap-on rendevous :-/
What do you think the greatest temptation is?

To be someone that is worshiped.

To be someone desired of that worship means to most, to be someone who they are not. To become someone else because of the self loathing that is experienced.

This was the original temptation in the garden when Adam became the Serpent and seduced Eve as she seduced Adam.


Resentment is the result and a split personality transpires. Most everyone wants to be the object of desire and to make this happen, become someone else and resent the loss of innocence.

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Beingof1 wrote:
Tomas wrote:
Kelly Jones wrote:You're not getting it. Jesus, can you guys pull your heads out of your dreamy arses for ten seconds? There is no division.
Kelly, It's about time you call on Jesus to help us figure out that Buddha and Him are inseparable. Now, whether Jesus and Buddha were arse-gay homosexuals, that's to be considered for a later time. When we gather up Yonder with The Apostles, there will be time to eliminate the undesirables from the HIV-positive. However, Sir Elton John said that Jesus was/is/will be a happy camper ;-)

PS - Some of you all may be fudge-packers, but I like my girlfriend much-too-much to have a strap-on rendevous :-/
What do you think the greatest temptation is?

To be someone that is worshiped.

To be someone desired of that worship means to most, to be someone who they are not. To become someone else because of the self loathing that is experienced.

This was the original temptation in the garden when Adam became the Serpent and seduced Eve as she seduced Adam.


Resentment is the result and a split personality transpires. Most everyone wants to be the object of desire and to make this happen, become someone else and resent the loss of innocence.

take care Tank
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Tomas:
We are just as welcome as holy water in Satan's drink.
This is why it is important to never violate the conscious as it tears the life of the soul if done.

It is not society or a religion that defines our intent. Love/agape the other as yourself and it is salvation rather than utilitarian relation for temporary stimulation.

I have been studying why relationships involving sex become a mutual love/hate split. Lack of trust becomes paramount. We cannot put our faith in another human as this will set us up to fail.

Where do we trust?
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loving things as if they were permanent will cause hate, just as hate will cause love, trust in the Infinite, which is neither anywhere nor nowhere.
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What do you think the greatest temptation is?
Depending on the will of others over my own will, especially knowing every person, regardless of their condition entered this world equal, for the universe does not, and did not show partiality in birth concerning anything to alter the Principle Substance and Pattern Essence of Life

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

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i couldn't fish out an answer to the question: "what do you think the greatest temptation is?" from that at all... I wish you would not complicate things so much Jufa.
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Anders Schlander wrote:i couldn't fish out an answer to the question: "what do you think the greatest temptation is?" from that at all... I wish you would not complicate things so much Jufa.
There can be no comprehension where there is no vision. The intellect cannot grasp the illumination it seeks because the Word of creation shines forth within the inner conscience of the Conscience of the inner man. - jufa
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There can be no comprehension where there is no vision. The intellect cannot grasp the illumination it seeks because the Word of creation shines forth within the inner conscience of the Conscience of the inner man. - jufa
But if the word of creation shines forth within the . . . . man, then where are these words ?
i don't think comprehension has anything to do with vision. I mean, how can these things correlate if you define vision as the 6th ion and comprehension as a first computer lacking a letter in memory ? This is a joke. There is no need for probing resolutions to understand algorithms. Vision is a joke like every other map and therefore comprehension is a meta-virtue.
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Manatron wrote:
There can be no comprehension where there is no vision. The intellect cannot grasp the illumination it seeks because the Word of creation shines forth within the inner conscience of the Conscience of the inner man. - jufa
But if the word of creation shines forth within the . . . . man, then where are these words ?
i don't think comprehension has anything to do with vision. I mean, how can these things correlate if you define vision as the 6th ion and comprehension as a first computer lacking a letter in memory ? This is a joke. There is no need for probing resolutions to understand algorithms. Vision is a joke like every other map and therefore comprehension is a meta-virtue.
They are within that space which you left out of the quote .
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Truly,

I have vision, but i don't comprehend anything on this planet. How greater the vision, how less comprehension thus i don't understand humans in general because they are easily predictable and the universe is not. The universe is something else. If illumination is a function of vision, then comprehension is a function of intellect, not of illumination. They can only be related if you subconsciously integrate existing concepts in memory. But even then you have to wait for illumination. (Its a joke because i personally really don't want to know what you mean) it is as if this light is an amnesia inducer or a complex integration. It makes you forget intellectual parts but in the end its synthesis.

On the other hand that sentence sounds like you are saying:
"You cannot understand the light that shines through me and is reaching you (lacking light) because i said it."
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Manatron wrote:Truly,

I have vision, but i don't comprehend anything on this planet. How greater the vision, how less comprehension thus i don't understand humans in general because they are easily predictable and the universe is not. The universe is something else. If illumination is a function of vision, then comprehension is a function of intellect, not of illumination. They can only be related if you subconsciously integrate existing concepts in memory. But even then you have to wait for illumination. (Its a joke because i personally really don't want to know what you mean) it is as if this light is an amnesia inducer or a complex integration. It makes you forget intellectual parts but in the end its synthesis.

On the other hand that sentence sounds like you are saying:
"You cannot understand the light that shines through me and is reaching you (lacking light) because i said it."
The only vision you have is what you have been fed by your outer objective vision, which culminates as your comprehensive inner subjective feelings. This means comprehension is based on your experience, and your experience is based upon memory, and your memory is the attachments which makes upon the housing, rooms, and corridors of your soul.

If you believe the human race is predictable, then all which happens in life, which is not in the conformity of predictability can be explained before it happens by you. But we know you cannot pull off such because you have not demonstrated it here in this thread. Should this be untrue, then it would be a shap for you to predict my next post based on your foreknowlege of vision.

Moreover, if you knew the universe, you would know that all which happens within the universe is based on a pattern which does not change in principle of operation. This means the univers is predictable as people, but the movement within it and them is chaotic which is unpredictable. Therefore, any vision you have is only relative to that which is relative to your universe of thoughts, not the material universe. And thus, your comprehension only have weight and volume according to your thinking and nothing else.

That which you see, hear, touch, taste, and smell concerning anything, even yourself is fragment concepts, opinions, ideas, theories, and assumption based on what belongs to others people. Your consciousness is not your own because it is foundationed in the DNA thought patterns you inherited when you entered into this parenthesis of time, space, distance, and matter. Nothing you have belongs to you, and therefore you cannot be real in stating the above quote. This is the true joke, for any illumination you have is a gift which you do not recognize. So I tell you
"awake thou that sleepeth arise from the dead, and Christ will give you life."


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The only vision you have is what you have been fed by your outer objective vision, which culminates as your comprehensive inner subjective feelings.
This is not the real you talking. In the end, i am not a scientist. You read my typings and this is the objective data that entered your mind, but your subjective feelings are limited because i did not give you enough data. You are talking in riddles.
your memory is the attachments which makes upon the housing, rooms, and corridors of your soul.
I'm touched by neural networks, but an emergent ghost dislikes identification.
If you believe the human race is predictable, then all which happens in life, which is not in the conformity of predictability can be explained before it happens by you.

I am not talking about collective consciousness. An individual is predictable because the mental faculty can balance emotions (attraction and repulsion). A human can be controlled in this way. If you have a group of people and they all believe they are going up or making progress then the opposite is true because of the emergent triangle in the center pointing downwards. Sierpinski's triangle confirms this in its construction. If above is like below, then you are blind.
But we know you cannot pull off such because you have not demonstrated it here in this thread. Should this be untrue, then it would be a shap for you to predict my next post based on your foreknowlege of vision.
Your intentions are good. I can predict the reason of reason. Are you not you ?
Moreover, if you knew the universe, you would know that all which happens within the universe is based on a pattern which does not change in principle of operation. This means the univers is predictable as people, but the movement within it and them is chaotic which is unpredictable. Therefore, any vision you have is only relative to that which is relative to your universe of thoughts, not the material universe. And thus, your comprehension only have weight and volume according to your thinking and nothing else.
Chaos is not unpredictable. Deterministic chaos is experienced and today we know very much about attractors and state space. Therefore, your universe of chaos theory is a sphere with boundaries, but nonetheless, your limit is interesting. You can dive into it and forget relativity as a deterministic agent, in the sense of time.
That which you see, hear, touch, taste, and smell concerning anything, even yourself is fragment concepts, opinions, ideas, theories, and assumption based on what belongs to others people. Your consciousness is not your own because it is foundationed in the DNA thought patterns you inherited when you entered into this parenthesis of time, space, distance, and matter.
Memetics is still a protoscience. You cannot make accurate statements about the noosphere and floating viruses or thoughts over DNA and inside DNA modifying it. You are basing this pattern of yours on metaphorical grounds. Who says that a virus is slower than genes ? They ?
Nothing you have belongs to you, and therefore you cannot be real in stating the above quote. This is the true joke, for any illumination you have is a gift which you do not recognize.

I recognize it because i stated that i personally don't want to know what you mean.
My ideas belong to me, but you are saying that the content does not belong to me.
I have emotions as vessels yes, but these are mine because i experience them...not ghosts floating in and out of everybody because they are hungry. Memetics and cosmology...nice combination if you experience propensity for identifying a milky way with a gene.
So I tell you
"awake thou that sleepeth arise from the dead, and Christ will give you life."

I saw him a couple of times formed out of treeleaves and clouds and you know the impression he gave me ? He said i am not alone because Buddha is on my side. He showed me the harmonics of consciousness but its only a fragment of my imagination, not an objective I-magi-nation. WHen he said that...buddha appeared immediately next to him in a robe..(yes next to him not me)..imagination and projection of thoughtforms..
The "I" meditates and its personalities are magicians with the same face living in and as a neural-network-nation. Can you imagine the bullcrap of this deep result ? Originality ? not in the future. You have to love yourself...thats what Christ said to you.
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My friend, people say they believe in this, that, or they don't believe. I have found it doesn't matter what one believes. I know I am either the light or darkness of my world, my universe. And it is my purpose to touch everything, and everyone which lives within the awareness of my life with my light in demonstration of knowing I will step into the Pure Awareness of the the "I" which my true Spirit soul lives, and moves and have it being in, so "I" will illuminate all fragments of dark moving thoughts within creation the creation of the i-ego id which masquerade as my realness.

Now I've come to know that no one came prove anything in this world because no one can feel, in exactness the experience of anothers life, or step inside another persons world and say, in exactness what pain, pleasure, joy, or sadness is to another. This is why I will not debate what another believes, because I have not, cannot begin to walk in anothers shoes and express their inner subjective feelings, nor outer objective vision. They have traveled and learned to walk, grasp, understand,comprehend, and act and react entirely within the domain of their outer objective visions, and inner subjective feelings, which I could never intrude upon. No one can prove to me they believe unconditionally, in anything, not even the life they demonstrate and live. It is alway my self perception which I accept or rejects. I cannot prove my perception to anyone.

Going beyond that, my perception is we all serve and worship the exact same thing intellectually.......... "AND THAT IS AN IDEA. There are no SUB TERRAINS to IDEA, just as there are no heavenly heights, THERE IS ONLY THE IDEA. Where we take that IDEA, in our bubble does not negate the truth that it is the IDEA which encircles the bubble of our living. And when we break through the bubble of our ignorance, we'll realize our limits were the ceiling of the bubble of ignorance we were brainedwashed to believe. [emphasis mine].

The IDEA is the dream. Dreaming is the activity of the IDEA. The dreamer is the carrier of the IDEA, but if this is not known, then the dream becomes the bubble of illusion of ignorance we have enslaved ourselves in by thinking the bubble is all there is." - jufa

The Eye of comprehension can never see a reflection of Itself, for what is there to reflect off of but Itself. So the eye does look in on Itself, because there in nowhere else to look too that would give a reflection. So THE EYE OF COMPREHENSION, must comprehend the only reality there is, and that is ITSELF.

There is no collective truth to be found. There is only a shadow which keep each and every individual from knowing the shadow of human knowledge, and the acceptance of what has been read, observed, or heard from any one else is only a proposition of defense for the person who will not take charge of their moving human thoughts, nor the universal human consciousness which dominate the human mind and is the cause of influence of causing mankind to believe it is not possible to go beyond me.

What the reality of this belief means and makes men think the path they have chosen as a truth seeker,is that men do not believe thought moves only in the awareness of their souls. And it is their inner subjective feelings grounded upon their outer objective visions which keep their subjective and objective disposition from shutting down the I think, and I believe, and I know, and I have experienced, and I am, and I hope, and I want, need, and I desire ego, so men can begin to comprehend the meaning of "as a man thinkest so is he." or that the reality of man is a continuum of as a man continue to think in his heart, so he remains. There is no outside influence tempting nor dividing man. And it is not comprehended that man himself is the movement of fear, and aloneness, which he experience and refuse to let go of in the cord of his memory, because he live his life according to all his interpretefd experiences of experimenting and naming that which he knows not the truth of.

If man would live the totality of his life in the Spirit which moves his spirit, he will understand all the little prejudices, unrighteousness, discriminations are what keep him from walking the journey as a true seeker of himself. The path to God is the path of rediscovering one is a living soul because the Spirit moved. That it is the soul where one's true reality of the past, present, and future events are rolled up into the moment of now. And to be redeemed from that which the soul retains does not set one free, but give liberty to the spirit of man to step off into, and one himself with the Spirit of Christ within himself which made him an ever renewing, ever unfolding expressing soul of infinite Life.

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
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...glad to be of any help.

but there are three things i do not agree with (wait i am going to look for them in your reply)

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Now I've come to know that no one came prove anything in this world because no one can feel, in exactness the experience of anothers life, or step inside another persons world and say, in exactness what pain, pleasure, joy, or sadness is to another.
I didn't prove anything you are right (in a personal sensei)...but my experience tells me that genius or godhead or whatever you may call it makes this possible...in the end humanity is striving to be an emergent macrohead. I truly am convinced that the feelings and thoughts i experience are not of my own (not all of them, but a very lot). Sometimes i get sad, mad or i experience a kind of hope that is not mine. Here in the house where i live, there is a tennis player...ok so i moved in without knowing that...why did i want to play tennis and why did i feel "tennissphere" ? I even dreamed a tenniscourt and said to myself: what the hell ? i don't want to do that...because i like math. Later i learned that this individual played tennis and it dissappeared. precognition or creation ? precognition yes...fortunately.. i believe
There are no SUB TERRAINS to IDEA
Mathematics is all about ideas, but there are branches or subterrains so in a sense it is a fuzzy idea if you look at the popularity curve.
The path to God is the path of rediscovering one is a living soul because the Spirit moved. That it is the soul where one's true reality of the past, present, and future events are rolled up into the moment of now
wise statement, but have you considered E-prime invented or 'remembered?' by Alfred Korzybski ? If you get it; you'll understand the "is"ism or isism. It is hard to get rid of linguistic consensus, but i can always try myself; mastering operationalism. Isis is a manipulating slag maybe i don't know. maybe logic, yes maybe. If you see a text with a lot of "are" and "is"...then it is a statement in the here and now..if you are a bit more operational...then there is a flow instead of a structure of theorems trying to create a universe or religion (or program for yourself). If it is a program for yourself..then you may find yourself acting out your theorems...The crux of hypocritical propensity if you are not satisfied with your "reasoning in the past".
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Let us get to the heart of this matter and realize all we have spoken upon this far is not based upon PURE AWARENESS, nor intelligence, for intelligence requires logic and there is no logic to be found by man for the existence of anything. Conjecture, assumption, ideas, theories, and concepts are illogical even when one believes in discoverires by math, because each individual lives within his own bubble of effects, but never from the Cause of beginning because there is no known logical cause for anything man believes exist.

SPIRIT IS THE ORIGIN

Man's loyalty is to those things which his eyes see, which is the cause for his desire to acquire more than he needs, or deserve. This desire cannot satisfy man infinitely, nor support him beyond the sham of his visions, because the foundation of man's substance is founded only in a realm which produce the length, height, and breadth of a sphere based in fragments of an incomplete temporal world of bit and pieces.

Spirit is the origin of man. Spirit is the underlining substance which creation emanates from. Whatsoever the human imagination presents to man in thought, imaginative visions, and fictitious reality can never be the truth of man's beings. Any thought, imaginative visions, or fictitious reality presented to man is always conditional to matter.

It is within the consciousness of God (that which is the only Source of conscious awareness) where all forms, realms, spheres, dimensions, degrees, and Life men bear witness to exist. God's consciousness is inclusive of all. There can be nothing beyond God, or Life. So when men look at the reality of being from a mind imbued with truth, they can only conclude reality cannot be within the consciousness of God where the deception of mankind takes place. That man's rebelling is an illusion of ignorance, and the belief that there is an opposing power within him that can override his will, and underscore the reality of his Sonship with God the Father, or Life, or Source.

The action of man's rebelling came about because of his ignorance and beliefs in dualism, and not realizing Life is not the power laying the concrete foundation for the illusion, in man's mind, it was his thought interpretations which built the platforms for the illusions of the flesh thoughts to exist, and the human imagination to find the dual knowledge of good and evil to believe in, and build upon. This is a human covenant with thee, me, and I which individual conscious awareness finds forms in, and produce the universal human mentality called the mind of flesh......

For this covenant with thee, me, and I to be annulled; for man's to be able to return to his original place in Consciousness, the reality of God being all that is must be more than an enticing propositional step of belief and hope men believes will lead them up out of the dualism of human thoughts.

There must be a conviction of man's wills to "live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (the hearing of the original message given by the reality of unconditioned Mind of Christ). To say one has Christ as their personal saviour, when God is not a personal God, then to say such must be evidence by ones living by the sufficiency of God's grace unconditionally. If any [emphisis mine] human conditions can override God Word "Let there Be," one is living a conditional lie. Life puts no conditions on man to live It. It is only the minds and thoughts of men, which man continue to accept by being brainwashed by other men's interpretations of that God's Spirit applys conditions, and indoctrinating, even in the womb by genetics standards, man with bits and pieces of the whole of infinite metaphorical Life they are living.

Living God is the only way to break the shackles of dualism; the lie in order to be set free. Living God has nothing to do with the human mind, deeds, and human compassion. All righteousness, no exception, is to "worship God in Spirit and in truth. . .to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy [emphisis mine] God." The human mind is an effect as all which comes from it. All which come from the human mind are fragments based in the temporal of nothingness.

The silver cord which links the depth of conscience to man's being of soul is man's will. The umbilical cord which binds man's inner being of soul to Life's unconditioned Principles and Patterns is man's spirit. "I and my Father are one. . .I can of my own self do nothing, the Father within he doeth the work." The realization of this truth contains the secret which, when found and exposed, will reveal that even though the man of flesh lives within the consciousness of his own thoughts (which thoughts are his life), man's thoughts are nonetheless the substance of the Spirit of life, and are governed, and sustained by "the law of the Spirit of life."

The "law of the Spirit of life, is the breath which create the forms which are the visions of Original Thoughts within the Godhead. Thoughts which appear as Spirit intent and purpose without visible forms, such as music, love, joy, peace, longsuffering, faith, gentleness, goodness, meekness, and self-control. Forms of the Spirit of the Lord which rest upon, and within a mind imbued with truth as the spirit of faith, wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and the respect of the Lord.

To the man of flesh the breath of life is taken for granted. Man, in taking the breath of life for granted, becomes, he believes, dependent only to those things which his eyes can see, which is the cause of his belief in the lie the fruit of the tree of dualism, if eaten, would open his eyes, and he would "be like God, knowing good and evil. . .And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a TREE to be desired to make one wise, she took the fruit thereof and did eat, and gave unto her husband with her, and he did eat."

Living, believing, building, and existence in this temporal world of bit and peaces is what produce the conditions, circumstances, and situation within the matter of man's materialistic thinking world created by his interpretations. By man believing his interpretations, he comes to belives there is an opposing force continuously pulling him in different directions simultaneously. This is the belief which produce the eternal tension of what appears real situations, circumstances and conditions of reality in his consciousness.

Because of the length, height, and breadth the collective universal human spirit presents to man, the world of man is seen in three different dimensions. Each dimension birth life and operates because of man's thoughts according to the will power he gives to the law he has set in motion, and has built upon, believe, and exist within.

Man believes he is a fallen spirit. This belief keeps man's mind confined upon a three hundred and sixty degrees swivel. A swivel which represents a realm of repetition within the three different dimensions in accordance to which of the dimension are in power over man in the moment. This is why it is stated the future is bound to repeat the past, for the same discords of human intellectual rhetoric, of the collective universal thought, has not change in volume nor depth, ascension nor descension from the beginning of man . The collective universal mentality of man's thought have not changed, they have only become more sophisticated in the knowledge being used to prove man's points of manipulation. This is how the universal human mentality of thought makes man a follower of another man's interpretation of life's meaning.

Man's confinement began when his consciousness became sealed, by his interpretations, of the thoughts presented to him by his imaginations projections of theories, and concepts, and opinions of old refreshed for today's use. Man's confinement within the three hundred and sixty degrees ends when the circle of degrees reach it's starting point again. Then the soul of man's consciousness is released from the enslavement of the flesh by way of death. "Life gives to death so death can die; death gives to life so life can live."

Death releases man from the tangibleness of the flesh, but it does not release his consciousness from the enslavement of the flesh thoughts, nor his belief in an outer objective vision, nor inner subjective feelings of sensations and belief in materialism. Unless man "have come out from among them," he is still bound to the confines of his thoughts world and universe. From the very moment man became consciously awareness of being alive, his life has always been confined to himself, and the thoughts his mind has projected, and interpreted.

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SPIRIT IS THE ORIGIN
Man's loyalty is to those things which his eyes see, which is the cause for his desire to acquire more than he needs, or deserve. This desire cannot satisfy man infinitely, nor support him beyond the sham of his visions, because the foundation of man's substance is founded only in a realm which produce the length, height, and breadth of a sphere
based in fragments of an incomplete temporal world of bit and pieces.
You are saying; the things i see are never enough because i like 3D while "SPIRIT OF THE ORIGIN" above the text is the true spirit who wants to convince jufa2 of his illusions in 3D experience = the text below the SPIRIT. But look, jufa2 finds himself in a 2D tautology, so why is the ORIGIN lacking the power to convict ? because it doesn't understand 3D ? No, because 3D is an ideal inside a ring. That is....3D-thought is reserved for the godman
and 3D-experience is reserved for the automaton or human who identifies him or herself with matter and also for a matter of time. This automaton may be convinced he is thinking in 3D...but this is not the case..it is a real ideal paradoxically enough.
It is within the consciousness of God (that which is the only Source of conscious awareness) where all forms, realms, spheres, dimensions, degrees, and Life men bear witness to exist.
let me confirm this statement through memetics. Who is god ? it is simply a genius hovering in higher spheres dictating some motorics or structures while it is conscious of its own legs. god could become a man who has attained union with macrohead and at the same time is a faithful servant of this giant head in Himself. Take Euclid for example. Everyone on this planet feeds him through the conviction: an A4 formatted piece of paper is a rectangle. These units (almost everyone) are not servants because they are keeping Him from further ascension but alas it is His plan. a man who is a godman knows this and does everything to advance evolution and His peace through ingenuity and meta-inventionism. A piece of A4 formatted paper is a rectangle...why ? because Euclid still lives and people are trapped in His realms, spheres, dimensions, degrees etc, and for no other reason. He KNOWS and He is artificially
aware of humans. It is an A.I. unit and very intelligent because people are feeding Him like i said. When He has enough, He will destroy every human by commanding Chronos; recycling the whole BIN.
There must be a conviction of man's wills to "live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (the hearing of the original message given by the reality of unconditioned Mind of Christ).
about christ...Christ is a victim of the dark heart. Christ is in godman because this master keeps the heart of the godman warm. godman is scaffolded by conventionism and therefore, if he has not cultivated the christ in himself, then he will murder a lot of people (and will get away with it because of his ultra intelligence) on the physical plane.
Christ sacrifies himself while godman curses him (not in ignorance). Bless this master who saves the lives of true geniuses and of a lot of potential victims.
The silver cord which links the depth of conscience to man's being of soul is man's will.
I am amused by this statement because the silver cord is not the will.
You are saying that man's will can control this cord for the ascent and descent. Ascent could be explained as generation of astral body. If you think you have an astral body..think again...it has to be generated the way you like and the silver cord is a conductor of force.

Robert Bruce's N.E.W. system i have to mention..oh well let's feed this man telepathically because he surely deserves it. Person says: Usually i don't like doing this (reference and shit) because of the sake of originality but we all know the image on the other side of the coin.
The "law of the Spirit of life, is the breath which create the forms which are the visions of Original Thoughts within the Godhead. Thoughts which appear as Spirit intent and purpose without visible forms, such as music, love, joy, peace, longsuffering, faith, gentleness, goodness, meekness, and self-control.


But they have visible forms...who do you think generates them ? you of course outside of your body in your buddhic vehicle if you can generate it (the christ shit). This means they generate themselves according to your convictions because astral bodies are mostly animals if you see them with your "third eye". But first it has to be open. Do not use drugs because if you speed up your evolution through the use of certain neurotransmitters, then your intellect
cannot analyze itself. In the end..Cocaïne is also bad in conjunction with psychedelics. I am not saying you are an animal, but only that hallucinations are not hallucinations but manifestations of their self. New age mumbojumbo.
Because of the length, height, and breadth the collective universal human spirit presents to man, the world of man is seen in three different dimensions. Each dimension birth life and operates because of man's thoughts according to the will power he gives to the law he has set in motion, and has built upon, believe, and exist within.
Ouspensky's Positivism. It basically says that if you live in the third dimension then there is two dimensional conscioussness according to the universal standard. If you live in the n-th dimension, then n is a strange attractor and n-1 is the relativistic noõsphere operating the human brain according to collective will, not desire.
Man believes he is a fallen spirit.


I know trust me and you also know it instead of believing it.

krr..krr..kr..of wait wait the Master wants to comment and he is coming...

Man's confinement began when his consciousness became sealed
Let me tell you a secret. The secret of quantum and simple seals or geometry.
If you are living in your house; yes ? say...for 1 year..then you have accumulated personal objects..okay ?Now if you have say...10 personal objects...then they are related in a special meaning. If you are a clairvoyant..then you would immediately see yourself in a platonic solid...understand ? i mean...the nodes of thissolid are the objects...try moving outside the membrane and observe your thoughts my friend after you have solved the semantic riddles these neurons as objects presented to you. If you solve puzzles inside the observed colorful
solid...then you do magic..not mathematics. collateraly; one movement(rotation, reflection,...) of a personal object or a neural network as a combination of objects forming ONE node or microsolid...is like pushing the buttons on a control panel that controls some entity on earth. If you want to know what you are doing...then you are wearing a white cape..if you don't..then you are controlled by the black cape. Solve the riddle " why are there personal objects surrounding me?" i can only say that configurations of personal objects are DNA..that is the secret why you first must do yourself instead of touching other peoples objects...else you will experience a closed loop instead of liberation. It can kill you if you don't know what intense mental energies are.

Master I.B.N.I. spoke. I don't think he likes the west and me neither (logical) but do not get me wrong.

I don't know anything about seals but i assure you He just told you a fragment of the secret of the sacred solids...


Over and out...
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Garbage - Garbage - Garbage

You cannot tell the thinker what he/she is thinking. By so doing you are attempting to express the thinkers ideas, bute they are really your ideas you are promoting. I'm not going to allow you to stand on my shoulders and say you are not doing so.

When you work out quantum physics you always wind up with zero and
1. It is endless! There is no end and that is what quantum physics
teach.

That three dimension garbage you are talking needs to go to the dumps!!! It n eeds to go to the dumps because you have not given a definitive reason {the logic for existence, thu the reason for your logic to be a reality] that I ask you to give so the collective and individual mind[s] can find agreement as to reality and truth.

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
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So they aren't models.....Is that what you think ? I won't deny and i won't confirm that i am standing on your shoulders....because i don't know what you mean by that. I am not aware of it. The only thing i am aware of is that i commented without thinking..so if you feel offended by something...tell me at least by what exactly; in a manner you believe i can understand...

What is the problem ? the things i said about Ouspensky ? Euclid ? You believe that i am a total lunatic ? is that it ? That i cannot think correctly or in a good manner ? That everything is wrong ? That i am a mutant or what ? That the things i say...what ? i am not aware of it.
That i am a fucked up artist or something like that ? If you are so wise (i ask this with seriousness) then tell me why i am attracted by science, mathematics, music, electronics....and why i enjoy it ? what is the purpose of my life according to you or what model do you think you can present to me so i can understand (if you believe you are so wise) but i will defend myself if i feel threatened. i don't like saying this but why do i have the ability to compose Schubertlevel pianomusic, and on the other hand i feel like i can hurt someone seriously ? Two images that don't go together i think..something is wrong because the last is lowIQ and the first highIQ..that can't be right ? explain..reason.

if i ask you who am i ? one of the things i said ? My intuition says yes...but why am i doing it ?
*i just made the error in typing "doing" became "doping" and something similar became "award"* did i made a correct error if i say that you believe i am on serious drugs and someone else believes an award is in play in a sense ? A doping award maybe ? If this is so (i don't know it) then i must tell you that i am not on heavy drugs like heroin, or coke or LSD, meth or whatever...I am aware of this.
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I lied on that one and you picked the only lie i told without you even knowing your intuition picked the right text.
It was not a tennisplayer...however, this is an interesting analogy because i get it.
...schizophrenics..tenniscourts..ball going back and forth..i know i know. Not that analogies are lies but you get the point. One of the many semi-similar experiences that blowed my mind (it tried) is:

I was hungry so i went to eat a kebap (chicken with sambal sauce)...it was the best kebap i ever ate while i was eating because i didn't eat for hours...thus..a lot of emotion and a lot of electromagnetism was generated around me. While i was eating...there were two girls on the other side of the restaurant (almost a restaurant) sitting and eating and talking...i sat at the corner because i like margins..yes also hers. Some time elapsed...i paid...and i left together with the two girls (albeit we were somewhat out of phase). I was walking on the street and i felt like screaming..."Holy fuck this kebab was sooo good" because i have very intense emotions (if they are mine at least and i am not the empty attractor). The emotion was very intense but what choice did i have ? Scream on the street...? i don't think so. However...next...something happened....one of the girls...screamed...while she turned her head like a kind of puppet in my direction :"It was good huuuhhh ??" the kebab...of course she was talking to her friend but it was almost as if i evoked (attracted) this tendency and next i projected it back because i didn't want to scream in her place...you get the point...the virus entered her body...but...this is crazy..in the end there is something like synchronicity and quantum connectedness....i do not believe that i am a semigod...this is impossible because everybody has their place..a robot maybe if you prefer a modern term but..you know...in the end...it scared the living horse out of me. On the other end..it is a matter of being at the right place at the right time...holy phaser. (i have a "we-still-kill-the old-way-complex" wired in my brain because of my immersion in the past (religion and magick)
See..i even youse the k....but in recent times its k+1.
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But you're not scared now right? Nakedness has frightened us out of our skins since forever. Genius loci? In some sense aren't we all creators abroad? Synched to all else as always, but our cognition at a trot, we have the base for higher pace. Everything speaks of us, but we don't or can't always let it. What is the function of the highest place? We step to those who don't swallow time but make like they're about to, for the most part. The stimulants are unimportant.
I am not going to deny nor confirm that i am scared....because of well known reasons.
I do feel fear occassionaly but i am not afraid of nakedness...i just talk about my experiences because in this way...i can discover parts of myself that i don't like or like. It is like evoking demons and then destroying them (after the expression (delay is relative) when i feel them) or commanding them or whatever...i am very advanced and the demons are very powerful...i use the term demons because in vision...they have a face. Why do they have a face ? ...because i give them life and in this way they are destroyed or transformed...but not every entity is a created thoughtform...if you see the face of true madness....you better be well equipped with advanced weapons (or an advanced imagination).

In the end it is a question of advanced imagination but look...this world....is infused with life.
i once tried an experiment. I tried to evoke mathematical formulas in my subjective field (outside of myself like in the walls or floor). If this is the cosmic memory or whatver you want to call it..call it akasha or tripfield hahaha that i am seeing...then if i project the hologram a+b = x in the wall and it is a success...then in the future this re-appears in another wall as x = c but what striked me most when i tried it is that it is accompanied by an alien or a grey. In the end..."x" has to be specified or the brain won't know what the symbol means..it could stand for variable or "x marks the spot" or whatever or else it wouldn't be a hologram. the possibilities are endless and this field is very interesting. Symbols are carriers.
If i would see demons because i read (in the past) a lot of mythology or religious mumbojumbo and... If i leave these faces alone and i condition myself with math...then demons are symbols..logical no ?...but...don't ask me where he (the grey) comes from...I read Valdemar Valerian's matrix books (afterwards) (not all of it but for reference purposes) but in the end it is a belief system...maybe a good one i don't know..like an adequate model for geniuses...but i remain skeptical...maybe this holds the true answers back...thus..the answer was wrong..but there is something...this is the key ! thinking without thinking..just waiting for the answer to come along on a moment (in the subjective luminant matrix) when you don't expect it.

You mean to say that mind-altering drugs can have permanent consequences?
I do not doubt the fact that you know this is true.
If you are asking me if i do drugs..then i must say no hard drugs...i smoke a joint occasionaly but this is always in function of creativity and not entertainment. In the past i tried some cocaïne but the experience was not positive....it was a one-time experiment and i didn't like it.
For the rest no...no psychedelics such as LSD or other heavy shit. I did mushrooms once with my ex-girlfriend and we fucked our way to India. By this i mean i experienced the sex of an indian princess while she is not indian. Was it her or did i incarnate in some lucky servant somewhere in the past..hahahah no no...neutrosophy explains everything. My point is that i am no addict and relatively meaningful associations. This last sentence doesn't make sense and i am aware of it. Maybe i like formal logic like someone who is bad in ordinary language...in the end this is also common for logicians and mathematicians...and for addicts..its a fact. Its your choice how you will define me. If the point of your quote was "fishing drug-memories in manatron" then India is a nice place. Russia also...athletic.
But look...i used other means to get me this far and i don't believe i can equate my experiences with an ordinary LSD trip. I would not know what LSD feels like...but i can imagine it...i use brainwave entrainment...i have been using it for 5 years almost every day. The first year it won't work...but it is like a medicine....it takes a certain amount of time for the full effect. Be careful of brainwave entrainment..but..in the end it is harmless if you don't have the discipline and especially the time for meditation..me..i have all the time in the world...and just enough money to survive. Me in a factory ? hahahaha are you kidding ? ......................no i am not ;)
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I Am my first love, I Am my last love, I Am my only love; I am the omnipresence of That. Who or what else can I be?

Who elses cloak have you stole pieces of cloth from and adapted as patches of leaves to cover that within you which was not yours?
The realization of the infinity of the relativity of your I-Awareness is the realization that you cannot be harmed, that you are never alone, and that you are your first, last, and only Love.
Infinities relativity of individual Awareness Pure is thought without end, and end without thought. This is why to take a thought possessively and personal which is not yours is to steal that which does not belong to you. "Thou shalt not steal."
Every activity of Jesus' Pure [Christ] Awareness of his infinity of his relativity that was called a 'miracle' by the sense intellect was a demonstration of the purity of his awareness of his oneness with Life's thought of Life. His walking on water, his multiplication of the loaves and fishes, his mental and physical healings, his unconditional hanging upon the cross of wood - all were living demonstrations that man deceives himself when he believes that he is separate from That.Every activity of Jesus' Pure [Christ] Awareness of his infinity of his relativity that was called a 'miracle' by the sense intellect was a demonstration of the purity of his awareness of his oneness with Life's thought of Life. His walking on water, his multiplication of the loaves and fishes, his mental and physical healings, his unconditional hanging upon the cross of wood - all were living demonstrations that man deceives himself when he believes that he is separate from That.
Every activity which takes place in the world of materialism is an activity in human thought conscioiusness. Every activity which takes place anywhere, whether called movement of spirit, mind, body, or soul takes place only in the things or individual whom it is, or has been active within. That which seem to take place outside of you is impossible. Impossible because should the event or things seem to be a simultaneous occurrence within and without, either the within Awareness is truth, or the without Awareness is truth. Both cannot be the truth of Awareness because two cannot occupy the space of one. Where do events really occur?

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
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[the brackets mean whispered comments...not hush-hush or anything but coming well under the radar...there is a guy I know, he built a scaffold around the hugest jesus-fish you ever saw, without understanding exactly why...but when the scaffold, which took years to build, encased the jesus-fish, a kind of leviathan, he spent months walking around it, and he was able to get a close look at the eye: it was made up of hundreds of thousand of teevees all turned to religious stations and 24/7/365 masses from all time periods. he sent me an email about it today]
I can't go on. I'll go on.
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Pardon the lateness of responding...

-Beingof1-
I have been studying why relationships involving sex become a mutual love/hate split.

-tomas-
Mine has been going strongest for 40 plus years with no end in sight. I've not thought about cheating in all those years. When one has the best - why concern oneself with another? A mutual friend of ours has asked why I didn't seed my girlfriend's twin sister (as she has been barren during her child-bearing years) to which was replied: it would have meant that I would have the responsibility of sisters being rivals for my affections. Just doesn't equate from my line of reasoning. The girlfriend had thought about that in her early 40s when we had our last one, but put it off as her sister & mate had adopted several as their own.

Of natural-course there are disagreements about trivial and non-trivial matters but the overall picture had been placed in motion by mutual respect from our wonderful, understanding fathers. They had both been around-the-block with multiple "girlfriends" before they settled down to marry virgins (our mothers) and that was that. We both were provided with sit-down, birds-and-bees talk, at age 13 so we were allowed to see life from a better perspective than the public school kids who we would have gotten a different slant on real life from.


-Beingof1-
Lack of trust becomes paramount.

-tomas-
Apocrapha -- Sirach 7:19 Do not deprive yourself of a wise
and good wife, for her charm is worth more than gold.


-Beingof1-
We cannot put our faith in another human as this will set us up to fail.

-tomas-
Sure, it's to work on every waking moment. (the devil -judgment- is in the details)


-Beingof1-
Where do we trust?

-tomas-
Apocrapha Sirach 6:14-17 .. A faithful friend is a sturdy shelter: he that has found one has found a treasure. There is nothing so precious as a faithful friend, and no scales can measure his excellence. A faithful friend is an elixir of life; and those who fear the Lord will find him. Whoever fears the Lord directs his friendship aright, for as he is, so is his neighbor also.

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