GENIUS FORUMS

Jung and his recent contemporaries have developed a highly accurate system for deciphering the human psyche and its relation to the personality. It's been a great asset to my quest after self-knowledge, so much so, that I'd like to post a few links to sites that offer guide maps to the human soul.

Synopsis of Jung's Work:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/jung.html

Personality Tests and Corresponding Profiles
http://www.typelogic.com/

Strangly enough, I've been on both of those websites in the last two days. (synchronicity? jk)

I first learned about the personality types two years ago when I took psychology. I think it's really interesting and helpful in understanding ones own mind. I've only just come across Jung's other theories though I wish I'd come across them sooner, because I wrote a research paper on Lord of the Flies, and related the four main characters to Jung's four ego functions(thinking, feeling, sensation, and intuition), and now I discover that the shadow archtype is also at the heart of the story too, oh well.

cat10542 wrote:Strangly enough, I've been on both of those websites in the last two days. (synchronicity? jk)

I first learned about the personality types two years ago when I took psychology. I think it's really interesting and helpful in understanding ones own mind. I've only just come across Jung's other theories though I wish I'd come across them sooner, because I wrote a research paper on Lord of the Flies, and related the four main characters to Jung's four ego functions(thinking, feeling, sensation, and intuition), and now I discover that the shadow archtype is also at the heart of the story too, oh well.

Strangely enough, what initially prompted me to post, was a rather interesting synchronicity.

I was taking a stroll down the driveway, observing the above cloud formations, when a dolphin suddenly appeared. It immediately brought to mind my Jungian Personality Type (INFJ). Us INFJ's are known as highly intuitive beings, similar to dolphins. So, with that, I sort of chuckled to myself and let the thought go. But then, out of nowhere, I stumbled across a miniature toy dolphin hidden under some straw. !

A good reminder to imagine.

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cat10542, what's your take on cats?

Hey, I'm INFJ too. (INTJ sometimes)

That's a really cool story, i love when stuff like that happens. Everything in my life tends to connect, so synchronicity doesn't actually seems too strange to me, but I don't know if it's because things are in synch or because I find meaning in everything, lol.

I have two cats.

cat10542 wrote:Hey, I'm INFJ too. (INTJ sometimes)

That's a really cool story, i love when stuff like that happens. Everything in my life tends to connect, so synchronicity doesn't actually seems too strange to me, but I don't know if it's because things are in synch or because I find meaning in everything, lol.

I have two cats.

Yeah, same here. Er, 1 cat.

Actually, due to causality, all things in the Universe are connected (as well as interconnected). So, with a little logic, a synchronicity is actually the mind opening up to the true nature of Reality. Since 'the Void' is your own mind, to my mind, it's highly plausible that the mind is also capable of bringing things into existence, possibly from the collective unconscious. Jung's belief was that this was the "acausal connective principle" - similar to the photons that 'spontaneously' pop into existence under an electron microscope.

Apparently I'm a ISTJ.

I wouldn't put too much faith in this as I disagree with a lot of the stuff written for ISTJs. :-S

I did a 70 question test and it says I'm the same type as Jung, INTP - introverted intuitive thinking perception. No emotions.

It said 50% intuitive, 25% thinking, 22% perception

I'm in good company too

Socrates
Rene Descartes
Blaise Pascal
Sir Isaac Newton

U.S. Presidents:
James Madison
John Quincy Adams
John Tyler
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Gerald Ford

William Harvey (pioneer in human physiology)
C. G. Jung, (Freudian defector, author of Psychological Types, etc.)
William James
Albert Einstein
Rick Moranis (Honey, I Shrunk The Kids)
Midori Ito (ice skater, Olympic silver medalist)
Tiger Woods

WhorlyWhelk wrote:Apparently I'm a ISTJ.

I wouldn't put too much faith in this as I disagree with a lot of the stuff written for ISTJs. :-S

ISTJ's must be a stubborn lot.

|-)

Boyan wrote:I did a 70 question test and it says I'm the same type as Jung, INTP - introverted intuitive thinking perception. No emotions.

It said 50% intuitive, 25% thinking, 22% perception

I'm in good company too

Right on, Boyan.

Did the profile resonate?

Steven Coyle wrote:

Boyan wrote:I did a 70 question test and it says I'm the same type as Jung, INTP - introverted intuitive thinking perception. No emotions.

It said 50% intuitive, 25% thinking, 22% perception

I'm in good company too

Right on, Boyan.

Did the profile resonate?

Generally yes, even though I didn't applied the 'think what you were like before you were 12' rule (so you can differentiate between taught and inherent behavior) when I thought I could choose both options in a question, so that affected it a bit.

I think they gave me more credit in the natural sciences then my grades suggest (Actually, that made me more certain that my teachers were wrong on my grades there. I always liked astronomy, physics...) but decently accurate nevertheless.

I also did a simple four question Mayer-Briggs (the right name?) test, where I again got INTP.

There's a test of personality I liked, somewhere on the http://www.bbc.com where I was evaluated as an existential thinker. You also have the interpersonal, intra personal etc.

Boyan wrote:

Steven Coyle wrote:

Boyan wrote:I did a 70 question test and it says I'm the same type as Jung, INTP - introverted intuitive thinking perception. No emotions.

It said 50% intuitive, 25% thinking, 22% perception

I'm in good company too

Right on, Boyan.

Did the profile resonate?

Generally yes, even though I didn't applied the 'think what you were like before you were 12' rule (so you can differentiate between taught and inherent behavior) when I thought I could choose both options in a question, so that affected it a bit.

Interesting rule. I've never heard of that before.

I must have been a dolphin in a former life |-)

I was an ENTP the last time I took the test (some years back). I have taken it before and gotten different results (wavering between INTP and ENTP). Nevertheless, the below description has me exactly pegged:

"ENTPs are usually verbally as well as cerebrally quick, and generally love to argue--both for its own sake, and to show off their often-impressive skills. They tend to have a perverse sense of humor as well, and enjoy playing devil's advocate. They sometimes confuse, even inadvertently hurt, those who don't understand or accept the concept of argument as a sport."

Steven Coyle wrote: I was taking a stroll down the driveway, observing the above cloud formations, when a dolphin suddenly appeared. It immediately brought to mind my Jungian Personality Type (INFJ). Us INFJ's are known as highly intuitive beings, similar to dolphins. So, with that, I sort of chuckled to myself and let the thought go. But then, out of nowhere, I stumbled across a miniature toy dolphin hidden under some straw. !

Hmm, while these events are faerly regular in my daily life I'd like to offer a slightly more 'down to earth' view on that event. Assuming the wonderful capacity of our brain and senses to take in so much and discard most of it to save us the trouble, one has to wonder if your brain already knew about the dolphin lying where you found it when passing it at an earlier stage. Since you were perhaps on your way to pass it again, the brain introduces the dolphin image more in the front of your awareness and influences shape recognition, also because you already had attached significance to dolphin imagery as an intuitive archetype.

So the story summarizes as you having found a toy dolphin at some point and the behavior of your brain before and after the actual awareness of the find, playing with associations.

P.S. I'm INFP, not as much the "thinking type" as my posts suggest. I first find an answer, then I think a way into existence that could explain the find :)

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:

Steven Coyle wrote: I was taking a stroll down the driveway, observing the above cloud formations, when a dolphin suddenly appeared. It immediately brought to mind my Jungian Personality Type (INFJ). Us INFJ's are known as highly intuitive beings, similar to dolphins. So, with that, I sort of chuckled to myself and let the thought go. But then, out of nowhere, I stumbled across a miniature toy dolphin hidden under some straw. !

Hmm, while these events are faerly regular in my daily life I'd like to offer a slightly more 'down to earth' view on that event. Assuming the wonderful capacity of our brain and senses to take in so much and discard most of it to save us the trouble, one has to wonder if your brain already knew about the dolphin lying where you found it when passing it at an earlier stage. Since you were perhaps on your way to pass it again, the brain introduces the dolphin image more in the front of your awareness and influences shape recognition, also because you already had attached significance to dolphin imagery as an intuitive archetype.

Diebert,

I thought about that possiblity as well. But the cloud was too well formed to be a simple coincidence. And considering other events that have been opening my mind to "alternate dimensions" (|-) it was simply too non-random to discard as chance. I've been recently divining the future through cloud shapes, and I see this as another similar divination.

Steven Coyle wrote: But the cloud was too well formed to be a simple coincidence.

Clouds contain many forms at the same time. When we study one our brain jumps on one shape and discards the other likenesses. This is just as well about the nature of our perceptions as it's about the nature of cloud formation.

I've been recently divining the future through cloud shapes, and I see this as another similar divination.

It could be perfect for divination, no doubt about it - it echoes our own thought formations. But personally I prefer looking into freshly steaming goat guts for that.

But the cloud was too well formed to be a simple coincidence.

Clouds contain many forms at the same time. When we study one our brain jumps on one shape and discards the other likenesses. This is just as well about the nature of our perceptions as it's about the nature of cloud formation.

Precognition is something that the INFJ is also familar with, so I would assume that seeing the shape in the sky prior to the fact was similar to seeing onto the surface of my own mind as you mention below.

I've been recently divining the future through cloud shapes, and I see this as another similar divination.

It could be perfect for divination, no doubt about it - it echoes our own thought formations. But personally I prefer looking into freshly steaming goat guts for that.

:|

(Clouds have Ch'i]

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
100 38 38 56

INTJ type description by D.Keirsey
INTJ type description by J. Butt and M.M. Heiss

INTJ Career Choices Provides the list of occupations most suitable for your type taking into account the type formula and strength of the preferences. Based on a sample representing 40 most popular and high-demand occupations. Jung Career Indicatorâ„¢


Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:

* very expressed introvert
* moderately expressed intuitive personality
* moderately expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed judging personality

Steven Coyle wrote:

cat10542 wrote:Hey, I'm INFJ too. (INTJ sometimes)

That's a really cool story, i love when stuff like that happens. Everything in my life tends to connect, so synchronicity doesn't actually seems too strange to me, but I don't know if it's because things are in synch or because I find meaning in everything, lol.

I have two cats.

Yeah, same here. Er, 1 cat.

Actually, due to causality, all things in the Universe are connected (as well as interconnected). So, with a little logic, a synchronicity is actually the mind opening up to the true nature of Reality. Since 'the Void' is your own mind, to my mind, it's highly plausible that the mind is also capable of bringing things into existence, possibly from the collective unconscious. Jung's belief was that this was the "acausal connective principle" - similar to the photons that 'spontaneously' pop into existence under an electron microscope.

That makes sense. :)

Yeah, well!

Strength of the preferences %
100 62 100 1

INTJ again.

I don't know though. I can't really answer a lot of the questions. For example, the ones about whether you would carefully plan something in advance or plan it as you go. I'm also don't think I'm 100% introvert. =\

Anyways, the career indicator is bang on I'd say.

WhorlyWhelk, that test in particular makes it hard when you're between preferences. Looking at your results, it makes sense that you couldn't decided in the question about planning as you only had a 1% preference for Judging. You should probably look at the INTP overview as well as the INTJ. Oh, and introverted on personality tests mainly means introspective or reflective, versus just the social meaning.

This other test makes it easier to answer the questions because it has a range instead of only one way or the other:
http://www.similarminds.com/jung.html

My results:
Introverted (I) 63.64% Extroverted (E) 36.36%
Intuitive (N) 75% Sensing (S) 25%
Thinking (T) 50% Feeling (F) 50%
Judging (J) 62.86% Perceiving (P) 37.14%

On the other test I got
Introverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
67 88 12 78

Introverted (I) 84.38% Extroverted (E) 15.63%
Intuitive (N) 51.43% Sensing (S) 48.57%
Thinking (T) 68.42% Feeling (F) 31.58%
Judging (J) 53.13% Perceiving (P) 46.88%

Your type is: INTJ
Accuracy:

INTJ - "Mastermind". Introverted intellectual with a preference for finding certainty. A builder of systems and the applier of theoretical models. 2.1% of total population.


I'm a frickin' mastermind, so BACK OFF!

I think these tests are a bunch of crap. Your score is a mixture of what you think you are like and what you would like to be like and maybe a little bit of what you really are like.

Matt Gregory wrote:I think these tests are a bunch of crap. Your score is a mixture of what you think you are like and what you would like to be like and maybe a little bit of what you really are like.

But of course, it only tells you what you tell it.

It's still interesting even if it only lets you know what you think you are like and what you would like to be.

:)

iNTp - i did this test a few years back - same result then. Not surprising really.

Strength of the preferences %
Introverted 56
Intuitive 50
Thinking 25
Perceiving 11

The Portrait of the Architect Rational (iNTp)

Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition, it is the structural engineering role -- architechtonics -- that reaches the highest development in these Rationals, and it is for this reason they are aptly called the "Architects." Their major interest is in figuring out structure, build, configuration -- the spatiality of things.

As the engineering capabilities the Architects increase so does their desire to let others know about whatever has come of their engineering efforts. So they tend to take up an accomodating role in their social exchanges. On the other hand they have less and less desire, if they ever had any, to direct the activities of others. Only when forced to by circumstance do they allow themselves to take charge of activities, and they exit the role as soon as they can without injuring the enterprise.

The Architects' distant goal is always to rearrange the environment somehow, to shape, to construct, to devise, whether it be buildings, institutions, enterprises, or theories. They look upon the world -- natural and civil -- as little more than raw material to be reshaped according to their design, as a formless stone for their hammer and chisel.

Many regard this attitude as arrogant, and Architects are likely, especially in their later years, after finding out that most others are faking an understanding of the laws of nature, to think of themselves as the prime movers who must pit themselves against nature and society in an endless struggle to define ends clearly and adopt whatever means that promise success. If this is arrogance, then at least it is not vanity, and without question it has driven the design engineers to take the lead in molding the structure of civilization.

Albert Einstein as the iconic Rational is an Architect [I'm a big fan of Albert Einstein - I think he was still more correct about reality generally, not just in relation to his Relativity theories, than 99% of modern day physicists]

Thomas Jefferson and Robert Rosen are examples of the Architect Rationals.