GENIUS FORUMS

Perception only seems to cause action. The truth is that they are an undivided whole.

You think people choose to believe what they believe? Their seeing is their doing. All of this is involuntary.

Language wasnt designed so much for conveying truth, but to aid in mating and hunting.

Perhaps the mating impulse is too strong in you to see what I am conveying.

Words fragment and break up what is already a whole.

millipodium wrote:perception is not action. It never will be. Such an assertion is completely retarded.

Perception quickly commands action.

so then you would agree that something that commands another thing is not the same as that thing.

I would agree that it is part of that thing.

Tao,

The difference should be clear, based on what questions appear on an IQ test. Someone with a high IQ should be able to make discriminations and process information more accurately and efficiently than someone with a lower IQ.

However, if he is discriminating between irrelevant things or processing information that is incorrect, then he is going to act just as stupidly as anyone else.

So, I'm coming to the conclusion that a genius see's what average people see but integrates the information further than the average person and hence can have more conclusions, actions, consequences, etc. Would that just be more mental stamina?

Tao's Reflection wrote:So, I'm coming to the conclusion that a genius see's what average people see but integrates the information further than the average person and hence can have more conclusions, actions, consequences, etc. Would that just be more mental stamina?

It's the ability and courage to say the truth despite societies' and one's own lies. So it's not just stamina, it's a willingness to pay the price of truth. See, oftentimes the powerful in the world are lying to maintain a certain state of things. You must bust it up.

Steven Coyle wrote:

millipodium wrote:perception is not action. It never will be. Such an assertion is completely retarded.

Perception quickly commands action.

so then you would agree that something that commands another thing is not the same as that thing.

I would agree that it is part of that thing.

But it is not. A master commanding a slave, is not the slave, for instance. You're going retarded or something.

Tao's Reflection wrote:Now, what I want to know is what am I working toward?

Whatever you want to work towards, only you can answer that question.

Tao's Reflection wrote:I'm after the truth anyway.

Did you answer your own question here?

Tao's Reflection wrote:I will ask however, how would any of you explain the non-genius to supreme genius heirarchy?

The more one possesses the quality of genius, the more likely he is to understand Ultimate Reality. So one way to judge how much one possesses genius is to examine very closely how in touch with reality they are.

Tao's Reflection wrote:I really just want to know the mind of a genius so I can know in what direction I'm supposed to train my thoughts.

Train your thoughts to focus on Truth through meditation. The more one focus' on the Truth the more one understands Ultimate Reality.

Tao's Reflection wrote:I'm not a dumb animal, but if I have no conception of what a person's mind is like who 'understands' ie: a mind closer to the ultimate truth... or at the very least no conception of higher principles or logic or ideas... I might as well be a beast. What makes me furious though is that I'm inbetween 'beast' and 'enlightened', so what the hell do I do? How is my mind supposed to work??

Your mind is working exactly the way it's supposed to. If you value wisdom above everything else the Truth will unfold right before your eyes.

Tao's Reflection wrote:I'm not looking for an "ideal" mind, I'm looking for a mind the way it's supposed to be.

Again, each mind is exactly as it's supposed to be.

Tao's Reflection wrote:What is true intellect working towards?

Your intellect is working towards what it is being caused to work towards.

Tao's Reflection wrote:I need to know this, I've been hell-bent on the why's, what's, and how's of what makes a genius's mind superior!!

The mind of a genius is only superior if one values the qualities of genius over other types qualities. I value genius because it is capable of understaning Truth and Ultimate Reality. Although in the light of The Infinite terms such as superior and inferior are meaningless.

I would agree that it is part of that thing.

But it is not. A master commanding a slave, is not the slave, for instance. You're going retarded or something.

uygajhbauh!

But a master is still affected by the slave.

A master's perception of the slave propels him into action.

It's the ability and courage to say the truth despite societies' and one's own lies. So it's not just stamina, it's a willingness to pay the price of truth. See, oftentimes the powerful in the world are lying to maintain a certain state of things. You must bust it up.

I know you speak the truth. I have already thought these things. But if you're describing genius or an aspect of genius then it's still hard for me to think that I am a genius when I can't figure out some IQ questions for the life of me. I know in this forum genius and applied intellect are not the same thing, but how can I see ultimate truth if I can't figure out the 'truth' of a puzzle.

Steven Coyle wrote:

I would agree that it is part of that thing.

But it is not. A master commanding a slave, is not the slave, for instance. You're going retarded or something.

uygajhbauh!

But a master is still affected by the slave.

A master's perception of the slave propels him into action.

Even if that's true in some scenario, that doesn't mean action IS perception. Why not delineate the actual relationship BETWEEN THINGS instead of asserting that the TWO things are the SAME THING? It's stupid, lazy, and sloppy to assert that just because things affect one another that they're THE SAME THING. Please stop with the intense stupidity.

Tao's Reflection wrote:

It's the ability and courage to say the truth despite societies' and one's own lies. So it's not just stamina, it's a willingness to pay the price of truth. See, oftentimes the powerful in the world are lying to maintain a certain state of things. You must bust it up.

I know you speak the truth. I have already thought these things. But if you're describing genius or an aspect of genius then it's still hard for me to think that I am a genius when I can't figure out some IQ questions for the life of me. I know in this forum genius and applied intellect are not the same thing, but how can I see ultimate truth if I can't figure out the 'truth' of a puzzle.

Don't get hung up on those geometric or verbal, or number sequences.

Don't get hung up on those geometric or verbal, or number sequences.

...I know, but I can't help but feel a little inadequate sometimes, and it depresses my mind when I've really given the question all I can and I still don't have a clue. I also tend to extrapolate that inadequecy into other reasoning and from there it's just downhill. So, I know not to get hung up on them, but if I don't figure out everything I don't know then I'll always have that burden on my mind and it slowly burrows it's way through my soul.

Tao

So, I'm coming to the conclusion that a genius see's what average people see but integrates the information further than the average person and hence can have more conclusions, actions, consequences, etc. Would that just be more mental stamina?

That is actually quite accurate. Mental stamina allows one to see to the bottom of a problem, and hence to differentiate between true and false. The belief that you require more than stamina to achieve genius does not fully appreciate how difficult it is to remain focused over long periods of time, or how essential it is to have this focus and dedication. Mental stamina, applied to the proper avenues (specifically, removing delusion), is necessary to genius.

I know in this forum genius and applied intellect are not the same thing, but how can I see ultimate truth if I can't figure out the 'truth' of a puzzle.

I assure you that given enough time, most anyone can solve any of these puzzles (part of the reason speed of calculation is relevant to IQ testing). They are not important, however. If you need to hone your logical skills, logical problems are good practise. Otherwise, there are better ways to spend your time.

Tao's Reflection wrote:

Don't get hung up on those geometric or verbal, or number sequences.

...I know, but I can't help but feel a little inadequate sometimes, and it depresses my mind when I've really given the question all I can and I still don't have a clue. I also tend to extrapolate that inadequecy into other reasoning and from there it's just downhill. So, I know not to get hung up on them, but if I don't figure out everything I don't know then I'll always have that burden on my mind and it slowly burrows it's way through my soul.

The truth about IQ tests is that the inventors of the tests secretly pass off the principles behind the questions to members of certain select families so they can begin educating their children on the byzantine and actually unuseful nature of the questions. This is how the illuminist families intimidate the rest of society into subservience. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, ya know?

Tao's Reflection wrote:So, I'm coming to the conclusion that a genius see's what average people see but integrates the information further than the average person and hence can have more conclusions, actions, consequences, etc. Would that just be more mental stamina?

Pretty much. The next step up, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, is to consistently apply it.

Tao's Reflection wrote:

Don't get hung up on those geometric or verbal, or number sequences.

...I know, but I can't help but feel a little inadequate sometimes, and it depresses my mind when I've really given the question all I can and I still don't have a clue. I also tend to extrapolate that inadequecy into other reasoning and from there it's just downhill. So, I know not to get hung up on them, but if I don't figure out everything I don't know then I'll always have that burden on my mind and it slowly burrows it's way through my soul.

So it sounds like your next step is to improve your emotional intelligence.

A high IQ just indicates how well one can do on a particular type of test. It does not accuratly reflect how well one will do in life. Being able to not get hung up on minutia is a better reflection of overall applicable intelligence.

millipodium wrote:The truth about IQ tests is that the inventors of the tests secretly pass off the principles behind the questions to members of certain select families so they can begin educating their children on the byzantine and actually unuseful nature of the questions. This is how the illuminist families intimidate the rest of society into subservience. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, ya know?

Conspiracy theories on IQ tests?

Although people with access to the answers could teach their children how to do well on IQ tests, there are no agencies that go around selecting people to do well on IQ tests.

Milli wrote:

Even if that's true in some scenario, that doesn't mean action IS perception. Why not delineate the actual relationship BETWEEN THINGS instead of asserting that the TWO things are the SAME THING? It's stupid, lazy, and sloppy to assert that just because things affect one another that they're THE SAME THING. Please stop with the intense stupidity.

Sure, I'm capable of making distinctions and even beholding unusually advanced conceptions of causality. But delineating the relationship betwen manifestations is not neccesarily proving that one 'causes' the other. It is not that simple, yet too simple for most to see.

You see, i'm also capable of seeing conceptions of causality as only mere conceptual constructs instead of literal reality.

Perception is not only what acts, for you see action is perception as well.

From an absolute perspecitve, there is no duality, no significant division.

But for the sake of communication, coordination, survival, we must make distinctions and name some as a cause and some as an effect. But from the highest peak, the cause and the effect are one.

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The woman subordinates to the man who desires to be the controller of her, but she end up the true master, and him the slave of her.

The wise man submits and is the slave of truth, but is the master for it.

Thank you everyone for the input! I think I have my direction now.

Tao's Reflection: I see what you're talking about now cory. Your message is basically the premise behind my name. Although I must admit it's hard to see that we don't exist, even as a wave in the greater ocean. The wave certainly IS part of the ocean, but like snowflakes each wave is inherently unique because of the different causal pressures forming (no matter how insignificant the differences in wave A to wave B, ad infinitum) that wave.

Anybody who says the self does not exist, and leaves it at that is delusional.

Of course the self exists. Every thing exists, for in order to be called a thing or to have any properties at all, differentiation is required - one point of existence cannot be exactly the same as that which surrounds it, otherwise we would not be lead into being able to obverse any differences and thus there would not be any thingnes to observe.

While everything exists, nothing exists of it’s own accord, nothing exists in a non-causal manner, and everything is subject to change.

The self does not exist from two perspectives only, and they are the persepective of self-inherency, and separateness from cause and effect. Virtually all people think their self is self-inherent, self determined, and it is not entirely subject to the rest of the totality. Such viewpoints are totally false - but note the duality of opposites that are involved - Yes we exist/No we do not exist.

The whole non-self claptrap is really just a cause and effect learning tool, one that is particularly important for people of a religious bent. It is juvenile stuff suitable only for the small minded who do not understand duality, and thus do not understand reality (and yes I am including the big three here – Tharan for example is a wiser person than them).

The key area that you need to mentality investigate is the duality that is involved in all things, and the tool you should use to investigate this, are the intrinsically interrelated concepts of cause and effect and that everything is interconnected.

Genius is the removal of the emotional glorification of mystery. It does nothing except change the manner in which you view things.

Should a persons knowledge of cause and effect/interconnectedness occur during ones pre-teen and teen years then it can result in a massive increase in mental processing power, in their IQ. When one’s brain first learns to value and then concentrate on non-emotional thinking, and this becomes an automatic habit, then the brain becomes (semi) permanently mapped to take in and CORRECTLY evaluate new experiences that provide the data for knowledge and wisdom.

Enlightenment is a non-event. In reality there is no such thing. Cause and effect assures that there is no transcendence above that which is human, enlightenment is no magic bullet to make you emotionally happy and satisfied. We are purely talking about knowledge that changes the manner in which you see things. As with enlightenment one is able to see the fundamental connections between all things, then such knowledge just provides a KEY to understanding what is important and what is not, what should be valued and what should not be valued.

Unfortunately when one understands reality, you will be left with two types

1. Nihilists
2. Gurus

The first type is the closest to reality, but lacks contentment and direction.
The second type, the QRS and the buddha, have developed an emotional attachment to truth, and seek to satisfy this emotion by teaching others. Unlike like gurus though the QRS are wise enough not to take it any further than teaching – they do not seek to control or use, and it is this more than anything else, that is the reason that their teachings are worth following compared to any other guru/philosopher/teacher.

For myself, I still desire enlightenment. But my enlightenment is one that involves the combination of a control over emotions and clear thinking. I see LIFE as essentially the experience of emotion (and it is) while the QRS falsely see life as being a robotic thing that finds joy in reality, or truth. There is little joy at all in reality – however there is some though, as whenever one’s mind joins dots to come to a conclusion that suits the persons environment, then the mind rewards itself with a flow of positive emotional chemicals. When the QRS experience something they regard as positive it is always an emotion that is being experienced (but they choose to deny this).

You will not find transcendence here or anywhere, as it is something that can only possibly be learnt by experience – one must first experience the emotions to know them, and when it comes to controlling them – then they cannot be emotions bought into the now as a result of memories from the long ago past.

I do not think there are any humans to date who have transcended their animal natures. What you may be able to find here is relatively clear thinking – but often such thinking is academic in nature rather than actually being real life. Even this post is academic in nature as it comes from someone who does not regard themselves as enlightened, as while the author thinks he has firmer grasp of reality than the QRS, due to personal investigation into the intricacies of duality, the author has little or minimal control over emotions.

Tao's Reflection - what a great name that is. It is a name that applies to all the things that a consciousness can name as "existing", while all the time these "named things" are just reflections of an infinite reality.

Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:

millipodium wrote:The truth about IQ tests is that the inventors of the tests secretly pass off the principles behind the questions to members of certain select families so they can begin educating their children on the byzantine and actually unuseful nature of the questions. This is how the illuminist families intimidate the rest of society into subservience. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, ya know?

Conspiracy theories on IQ tests?

Although people with access to the answers could teach their children how to do well on IQ tests, there are no agencies that go around selecting people to do well on IQ tests.

You sure about that?

Jamesh wrote:Unfortunately when one understands reality, you will be left with two types

1. Nihilists
2. Gurus

The first type is the closest to reality, but lacks contentment and direction.
The second type, the QRS and the buddha, have developed an emotional attachment to truth, and seek to satisfy this emotion by teaching others. Unlike like gurus though the QRS are wise enough not to take it any further than teaching – they do not seek to control or use, and it is this more than anything else, that is the reason that their teachings are worth following compared to any other guru/philosopher/teacher.

The "QRS" are just 3 friends who got together and put up an internet philosophy board. It is not necessary to subscribe to their doctrine to post here. Actually I see differences between David and Kevin's philosophies, and I have not been around here long enough to really identify the specifics of Dan's philosophies. People here do tend to think for themselves, which is good.

Tao's Reflection - what a great name that is. It is a name that applies to all the things that a consciousness can name as "existing", while all the time these "named things" are just reflections of an infinite reality.

Thanks Jamesh!

millipodium wrote:

Steven Coyle wrote:Genius is the ability to continuously align perception with intention.

This is finally somethin reasonable.


I'd say it's the ability to coninuously align action with survival, perhaps also using perception to fill the gaps in the feedback loop. And intention that is counter-survival, is just a bad habit.

Wow, this is pretty neat that I quickly stumbled on the question I've been asking myself lately. I am starting to question whether or not I should risk my life to save another. I have always felt that if I was ever caught in a life or death situation, and I could possibly save a life at the cost of my own, then I would choose to do whatever I could to save that life. It does seem like a bad habit to think like that. But that is just what I feel is right. Maybe it's my Christian upbringing. What is my logic you might ask, well, it's that if I knew that I could have saved someone and chose not to, than I would feel guilty. I won't deny my empathetic nature because at times it seems illogical.

the bird wrote:

millipodium wrote:

Steven Coyle wrote:Genius is the ability to continuously align perception with intention.

This is finally somethin reasonable.


I'd say it's the ability to coninuously align action with survival, perhaps also using perception to fill the gaps in the feedback loop. And intention that is counter-survival, is just a bad habit.

Wow, this is pretty neat that I quickly stumbled on the question I've been asking myself lately. I am starting to question whether or not I should risk my life to save another. I have always felt that if I was ever caught in a life or death situation, and I could possibly save a life at the cost of my own, then I would choose to do whatever I could to save that life. It does seem like a bad habit to think like that. But that is just what I feel is right. Maybe it's my Christian upbringing. What is my logic you might ask, well, it's that if I knew that I could have saved someone and chose not to, than I would feel guilty. I won't deny my empathetic nature because at times it seems illogical.

bird,
if you would ever come to a conclusion on this matter and may hope to make a principle out of it,then it may be a wise safeguard to know that a principle is very costly,because its act to keep things in the proper order depends entirely on yourself.