Chang Tzu said:

bert · Post by **bert** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:51 am

"the mind in repose becomes the speculum of all creation":
we hear too much about relaxing and 'meditation'.my mind (and I expect yours) works in reverse - the stimulus is from without - always chaotic,procreative and spatial of strange conjunctures;and 'repose' a period of fatigue or sleep,a renewal of the tension necessary for contexturation of creativity.

R. Steven Coyle · Post by **R. Steven Coyle** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:03 am

bert,

We posted at the same time.

And this does make me smile.

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Your post takes me back to "yesterday" (?), when my mind bubbled up my own Chuang Tzu post - describing the "ephemeral dominance of perception." Our minds revel in the "conjunctive displacement of creation," but few share this passion - disrupting our ideal continuity.

Tension is a result.

And synchronicity is a feeling, that few will admit to, for fear of true self-reliance.

bert · Post by **bert** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:09 am

R. Steven Coyle wrote:bert,

We posted at the same time.

And this does make me smile.

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Your post takes me back to "yesterday" (?), when my mind bubbled up my own Chuang Tzu post - describing the "ephemeral dominance of perception." This all occuring while my mind was immersed in the "conjunctive displacement of creation."

Synchronicity is a feeling that few will admit to, for fear of true self-reliance.

do you say that I wrote this because of your post?Where can I find it?

edit:ok,got it

R. Steven Coyle · Post by **R. Steven Coyle** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:15 am

"The Teachings of Chuang Tzu" thread.

I remember my intention well:

To spark some interest in his writings, as I saw your minds were alike.

But, I am humbled by the response.

bert · Post by **bert** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:27 am

yes,and it doesn't come as a surprise.

the chaotic mind is essential

R. Steven Coyle · Post by **R. Steven Coyle** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:50 am

An invisible line connects us, and that is all.

bert · Post by **bert** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:22 am

I am one that is convinced that diverse knowledge is not necessary,but aptitude for it is.

bert · Post by **bert** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:30 am

some people with a very limited display of words can make some things very clear.
its all about the kind of telling,how you tell it.

bert · Post by **bert** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:55 am

yes,within the dominion of the ether.
but not only see,feel too.the body is the means of the mind

edit:where is your post,steven?

bert · Post by **bert** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:17 am

I mean the mind is the means of the body

R. Steven Coyle · Post by **R. Steven Coyle** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:00 pm

bert,

The post is on the next page.

Wild Fox Zen · Post by **Wild Fox Zen** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:31 am

the only way the mind can percieve the whole is if it's relaxed enough to accept the whole -- a tense mind focuses, concentrates and excludes in a willful way; it is not the speculum of all creation.

unwise · Post by **unwise** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:40 am

someone wise said:

"the mind in repose becomes the speculum of all creation":

(bert said:)
we hear too much about relaxing and 'meditation'.my mind (and I expect yours) works in reverse - the stimulus is from without - always chaotic,procreative and spatial of strange conjunctures;and 'repose' a period of fatigue or sleep,a renewal of the tension necessary for contexturation of creativity.

There is a different sort of 'repose' known to skiers, ball players, tennis players, motorcycle riders etc. You can also call it 'attentive to the task at hand.' A person very attentive to what is at hand will find that thinking has ceased. Activity may be very high, but the mind is at peace and the ego's normal self reflection is absent. People find this 'restful' and 'out of my head like a vacation.' It 'clears the mind.' It is also why hobbies are popular. Anything that is needed will present itself easily to such a mind.

If, on the other hand, you do 'philosophy' all the time such as Freddy Boy and Soupy Schopenhauer, you will, in time, go insane - as they did. Why is this? Because philosophy is a contemplation of abstractions centered around the ego and it's place in these abstractions or 'scripts.' It ignores the present, timeless situation for a mentally contrived script. Gurus call this 'mind hell.' It is really ego hell as ego awareness is unpleasant and taxing. Observe newcomer Ray Karjewski - he is in brain hell because he needs everyone to follow his script. He's a miserable creature who has obviously spent a good deal of time in jail thinking this shit up.

Repose in Self or Atman reflection is reflection on Purusha and not the ego. It is a centered state in which the body/mind is seen taking care of itself naturally. It is only known to gurus, and it is the state where any and all information comes of its own accord. This is the 'repose' that is being referred to by the sage. --A repose which "becomes the speculum of all creation."

bert · Post by **bert** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:11 am

unwise,
the chaotic mind is essential:

the mind in repose is a good condition for re-visualization of the known and perhaps for recalling to memory some relation from subconscious strata.
my own and most people's periods of procreative ideas occur in half sleep,as in dreaming,where I see a creation that differs from the apperent one,a kaleidoscopic chaos with every kind of intrusive image,tumultuous,with surging crowds of vague familiars from the labyrinth of mind.

bert · Post by **bert** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:19 am

so,
I'm not criticizing Lao Tzu.

unwise · Post by **unwise** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:37 am

Bert:

my own and most people's periods of procreative ideas occur in half sleep,as in dreaming,where I see a creation that differs from the apperent one,a kaleidoscopic chaos with every kind of intrusive image,tumultuous,with surging crowds of vague familiars from the labyrinth of mind.

Bert my man, you may get some ideas for a movie script from such dreaming, but the great insights, revelations, solutions to your problems, satori and other such jewels come rolling in as the whole treasure box is periodically tipped over in a flash of an instant in a moment of total repose. So fast that they can appear between words in a sentence.

bert · Post by **bert** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:36 am

unwise,
Self condemned in your disgusting fatness,your emptiness of power,and without the magic of personal charm or beauty,and offensive in your bad taste and mongering for advertisement;
your knowledge is obtained with less decency than the hyena his food.

you are speaking of the many other states of mind giving inspiration,often unexpected;as by the provoking of anger and resentment,to evoke oracles from the highest level of inspiration.

unwise · Post by **unwise** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Self condemned in your disgusting fatness,your emptiness of power,and without the magic of personal charm or beauty,and offensive in your bad taste and mongering for advertisement;
your knowledge is obtained with less decency than the hyena his food.

????? haha Have you been drinking Bert?