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Animus wrote:I say you are just making stuff up Glostik, there is nothing axiomatic about that kind of math.

I'd be interested in seeing how you derive the hypotenuse of a triangle given the other two sides, with that kind of math.

It is a delusional math, but at face value its believable. Its the same as an exotic tribe saying the stars are little gods in the sky. Its believable on the outside but once its put to the test it doesn't work. This is a way in which we can determine axiomatic delusion.

Tomas wrote:

divine focus wrote:

Glostik91 wrote:[Belief is not passive but active. James said "faith without works is dead". If I believe in my car, and yet I do not enter my car and drive that belief is worth nothing. You could claim I don't believe at all. That is why we must go and drink in order for us to have Life.

Thank you. Code-speak. I guess your code depends on what you believe, but meaning transcends the code words.

This is a lot like my mother goes on about.

Note: In her church (circle), there is an American flag on the altar.

Translation: All power is derived from the State.

It's just another 501(c)3 "church", mosque, temple, whatever.

It doesn't matter to the IRS, they (the minister, rabbi, head wicca, buddhist etc) signs the same IRS form.

They are a corporation (corpse) who derives their "life" from the State.

A corporation has a president, vice-president, secretary and treasurer.

The 10% tithe is where the government gets involved, but the bible says, 'Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing (giving). The minister, however, is the IRS' private eye (informant).

So Glosnick, is there an American flag in your church? .. if there isn't be on your way :-)

If there is, you are just another cloud floater :-/

Yes, there is a flag tucked in a corner in our auditorium. Our church building gets its life from the state. The people get their life from God. If churches in the U.S. were banned I would still meet with fellow believers. A church is not only a building but a group of believers. (We also have a Christian flag.) I think the U.S. government does a lot of things right like separation of church and state. So I might as well express it by having a flag and going to independence day celebrations. Of course if churches were banned I would shun my government and try to move to another one. You could also say we use the government God has provided so we can meet together just as we use the bodies God has provided so we can meet together.

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-tomas blogs earlier-
So Glosnick, is there an American flag in your church? .. if there isn't be on your way :-)
If there is, you are just another cloud floater :-/


-Glostick91-
Yes, there is a flag tucked in a corner in our auditorium. Our church building gets its life from the state. The people get their life from God. If churches in the U.S. were banned I would still meet with fellow believers. A church is not only a building but a group of believers. (We also have a Christian flag.) I think the U.S. government does a lot of things right like separation of church and state. So I might as well express it by having a flag and going to independence day celebrations. Of course if churches were banned I would shun my government and try to move to another one. You could also say we use the government God has provided so we can meet together just as we use the bodies God has provided so we can meet together.

-tomas-
Thank you for your kind reply.

Go here: http://christianpatriot.com/07-29-2009.htm
The word is "cibbah"
1 Kings 12:1-15 Keyword: revolution


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Tomas,

That website you provided was very interesting indeed. I believe that it is inevitable that the state will eventually merge with the government creating a new government. This has been foretold by John in Revelation. Now, remember, all the prophecy I interpret will only be speculative. It was John, not I, that had this revelation. Revelation 17 talks about a prostitute. I believe this prostitute represents a city (probably Babylon) that the world will follow in the future. The beast that the prostitute is riding is the government which is joined with this city. The ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom could be ten different countries that will join with the blasphemous religion and conquer the world. There are a couple of views on this prophecy. A historical one and a futurist one. The historical one claims that Catholicism is the beast with the prostitute. 666man.net is a good place to read on this interpretation. The more popular one is the futurist one in which a new government centered in Babylon will rise from the ashes of the four ancient kingdoms of Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome and will form a fifth great nation that will rule the world for a time. This is all prophesied before I was born so I am not astonished when people want the state to rule the church or vice versa. But for now I will vote in favor of separation of church and state until I am dead or Jesus comes back.

I don't know if this is the proper section of the forum to talk about prophesy. If you want to talk more about this then start a new thread and I will greet you there.

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-Glostik91-
That website you provided was very interesting indeed. I believe that it is inevitable that the state will eventually merge with the government creating a new government. This has been foretold by John in Revelation.

-tomas-
When you write (say): "...the state will eventually merge with the government creating a new government." > Please explain in a couple/few sentences. Nothing too heavy to begin with, just a fill-in to get this going :-)


-Glostik91-
Now, remember, all the prophecy I interpret will only be speculative. It was John, not I, that had this revelation. Revelation 17 talks about a prostitute.

-tomas-
I'm with you so far...


-Glostik91-
I believe this prostitute represents a city (probably Babylon) that the world will follow in the future. The beast that the prostitute is riding is the government which is joined with this city.

-tomas-
You are aware that there is a Babylon, NY, mostly (at least used to be) inhabited by those of the Jewish faith..?


-Glostik91-
The ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom could be ten different countries that will join with the blasphemous religion and conquer the world. There are a couple of views on this prophecy. A historical one and a futurist one.

-tomas-
Some detail is in order regarding the blasphemous religion angle :-/ ??


-Glostik91-
The historical one claims that Catholicism is the beast with the prostitute. 666man.net is a good place to read on this interpretation.

-tomas-
Been there, done that.


-Glostik91-
The more popular one is the futurist one in which a new government centered in Babylon will rise from the ashes of the four ancient kingdoms of Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome and will form a fifth great nation that will rule the world for a time.

-tomas-
Have you any thoughts on whether the United States has/is/will be that fifth nation/column?


-Glostik91-
This is all prophesied before I was born so I am not astonished when people want the state to rule the church or vice versa.

-tomas-
Are you familiar as to why Patrick Henry wrote in part: 'Give me liberty or give me death!'

In a nutshell, he was riding through this village, Culpepper, Virginia. He rode through the town square and saw that this man was being flogged with a whip (whatever), his bones, muscles, sinews etc were exposed. He inquired as to what offense this dude had committed to warrant such a beating. His answer came back: 'He wouldn't take the king's license to preach the word of God.' Go here> http://www.gilbertindependentbaptist.or ... _henry.htm


-Glostik91-
But for now I will vote in favor of separation of church and state until I am dead or Jesus comes back.

-tomas-
There is no separation of church and state. They melded as one, when Congress (the IRS) set up 501(c)3s for the licensing for religious organizations to accept limited liability on what the church/mosque/temple could preach, and get away within the purview of what the almighty state would allow.


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Glostik91,

Perhaps you haven't read:

The Two Babylons--Alexander Hyslop from 1853.

The classic 323-page book detailing the pagan origins of various Roman Catholic traditions

Go here > http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon


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Tomas wrote:.
-tomas-
When you write (say): "...the state will eventually merge with the government creating a new government." > Please explain in a couple/few sentences. Nothing too heavy to begin with, just a fill-in to get this going :-)

The historical view is that the Roman Catholic Church will expand its dominion not just religiously but it will form a new empire. Pope Benedict XVI will then receive a new name celebrating his new Empire. The Empire will conquer the rest of the world most likely not through violence but through diplomacy.

The futurist view is that a new government will come out of either the United Nations or the European Union. The leader of one of these establishments will bring peace to the Holy Land and convince all the leaders of the world to come together and form a new one world nation or one European nation.

Tomas wrote: -Glostik91-
I believe this prostitute represents a city (probably Babylon) that the world will follow in the future. The beast that the prostitute is riding is the government which is joined with this city.

-tomas-
You are aware that there is a Babylon, NY, mostly (at least used to be) inhabited by those of the Jewish faith..?

The futurists would say it is the Babylon of old made new. I believe the historicists say the city is Rome.

I don't know what your getting at with the Hebrews in Babylon N.Y.

Tomas wrote: -Glostik91-
The ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom could be ten different countries that will join with the blasphemous religion and conquer the world. There are a couple of views on this prophecy. A historical one and a futurist one.

-tomas-
Some detail is in order regarding the blasphemous religion angle :-/ ??

I don't really know Satan's angle for doing all this when he knows he will be defeated in the end. Satan is obviously caused by something. If you look at the historical view the Catholic Church was almost always motivated by either power or money/pleasure. The futurist view will most likely be motivated by power.

Tomas wrote: -Glostik91-
The more popular one is the futurist one in which a new government centered in Babylon will rise from the ashes of the four ancient kingdoms of Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome and will form a fifth great nation that will rule the world for a time.

-tomas-
Have you any thoughts on whether the United States has/is/will be that fifth nation/column?

The historicists have some things to say about the United States. Let me take a passage out of Revelation 12.

13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
-The dragon is represented by pagan Rome which persecuted the early Christians.

14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
-The "time, times and half a time" would be interpreted to be 1260 years starting in 538 C.E. when the Pope of Rome received his power of the forgiveness of sins and ending in 1798 C.E. when Napoleon's army captured Rome and Napoleon decrees the Pope's power to be dead. Those who worship God as he is fled into the back country of Europe so they could worship God without persecution.

15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.
-The flood symbolizes the Inquisition which attempted to kill all of God's people.

16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
-As persecution mounted pilgrims began to flee Europe to the United States which partly based their constitution on freedom of religion.

Also, this website http://www.666man.net/earthbeast.html discusses Rev. 13 and how the earthbeast represents the United States.

Tomas wrote: -Glostik91-
This is all prophesied before I was born so I am not astonished when people want the state to rule the church or vice versa.

-tomas-
Are you familiar as to why Patrick Henry wrote in part: 'Give me liberty or give me death!'

In a nutshell, he was riding through this village, Culpepper, Virginia. He rode through the town square and saw that this man was being flogged with a whip (whatever), his bones, muscles, sinews etc were exposed. He inquired as to what offense this dude had committed to warrant such a beating. His answer came back: 'He wouldn't take the king's license to preach the word of God.' Go here> http://www.gilbertindependentbaptist.or ... _henry.htm

I'm familiar with the saying but not the story behind it.

It's very inspiring. It makes me sick when I see people trying to vote against homosexuality just as it made me sick when I saw films about the prejudice against black people. America was founded on liberty; not prejudice. If I was a Senator or Representative and I had to vote either for or against homosexuality I would abstain.

Tomas wrote: -Glostik91-
But for now I will vote in favor of separation of church and state until I am dead or Jesus comes back.

-tomas-
There is no separation of church and state. They melded as one, when Congress (the IRS) set up 501(c)3s for the licensing for religious organizations to accept limited liability on what the church/mosque/temple could preach, and get away within the purview of what the almighty state would allow.

I realize that separation of church and state isn't in the constitution, but it should be. I'm not fluent in constitution talk.

Tomas wrote:.

Glostik91,

Perhaps you haven't read:

The Two Babylons--Alexander Hyslop from 1853.

The classic 323-page book detailing the pagan origins of various Roman Catholic traditions

Go here > http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon


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I haven't. I might try and find some time to glance through it.