GENIUS FORUMS

Everything on earth is a cycle. Plain and simple.
The water cycle,
The carbon cycle,
The life cycle,
The rock cycle,
The moon cycles,
The ocean cycles,
The calvin cycle(not the cartoon),
The menstrual cycle,
The Inflation / Recession cycle,
The Political cycle,
The War-Peace cycle,
The cycles of understanding,
The cycles of love,

Everything in life and death is related to some cycle or another, and most likely a group of them performing interactively.

The problem now is that we have defined many cycles, and you have, in your own mind, defined some that have a great impact on yourself, but we haven't devised a way to utilize this information, or even arrange it in a matter that truly makes sense to more than one person. I brought this study to this forum, that we might fathom it together.

The myriad implications of this approach on understanding our universe, and ourselves, are astounding. Let us begin together.

I believe that understanding the interrelated dynamics of cycles will further our understanding of everything around us, simple examples of this are the relationship between economy and the birthrate. Trying economic times (such as the great depression) lead to lower birthrates and the coverse is true(the baby boom and the growth of our economy after WWII). Thus if we can read the signs of a decline or growth in the economy, we can also predict the same in our birthrates, and prepare for the future.

The war-peace cycle would have an effect on the economic cycle. The german economy totally collapsed after WWI and was doubly damaged by the great depression after the post WWI boom in The Allied Countries. We can see here how the ups and downs of economy and birthrate would be affected by the war-peace cycle.

Even the relationship between the war-peace cycle and the economy cycle, is in itself a cycle. Picture various cycles graphed multidimensionally across time, and you will see the relationships between the high points and low points of each factor, and beyond that, the implications of the changing rates of various cycles.

Cycles within cycles.

That's true!

Is the fact that "everything" goes in cycles, cyclic?

Oh come on. I would expect more from a community of geniuses.

Cycles are made up of facts. So a fact can hardly be a cycle.

Whatever; some of the things you list are not cycles at all. Cycles don't exist at all other than as models within the mind. You can make a cycle out of almost anything if you neglect enough information - e.g. your war/peace example. That's not really an identifiable cycle.

How about a bi-cycle. The wheels go around, much like the seasons. They lose air and have to be filled, so there's that alternation, too.

Dan Rowden said:

Whatever; some of the things you list are not cycles at all. Cycles don't exist at all other than as models within the mind. You can make a cycle out of almost anything if you neglect enough information - e.g. your war/peace example. That's not really an identifiable cycle.

How do you know it's not a cycle?

Think about it, whether or not a country goes to war is OFTEN (many times a person will make an unpredictable decision, but we can still predict the outcomes after that) governed by certain factors. Either that country needs something, doesn't like the people they go to war with(e.g. wars of aggression, see http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-nurem.htm) or the other has oppressed them or hurt them(e.g. wars of liberation). A decline in a country's economy can be predicted by the downfall of many factors, due to their cyclic nature. Just as someones actions to offend another are results of causes that can be traced back to cycles.

I think you are thinking to generally, and that in my haste, I didn't add that every thing is part of OR a result of, a cycle. Instead of thinking that the war-piece cycle is in itself a purebred cycle, instead think of it as the combined results of multiple cycles working in unison. Like when the economy cycle reaches an all time low, while at the same time, a small landlocked country in Africa's lakes is experiencing its yearly dry season( the weather cycle) while the countries around it have neither the resources nor the manpower (economy/birthrate cycle) to help them, except for one country with plenty of water and resources , and it won't help. The other countries might believe that they MUST go to war with that country, or else they will starve.

Like i said with the 3D graphing, at certain points in that graph, many of the cycles would eventually reach a low point at the same time, resulting in HUGE effects on other cycles. These hugely affected cycles may be concerning some of the factors that make people go to war.

So in essence, the war-peace cycle is a compilation of cycles.

Dan Rowden Said:

Is the fact that "everything" goes in cycles, cyclic?

So are you just done with the point you were trying to make there? Also, it seems very condescending to make a point in that manner.

I always thought of it more like wave form ~ since it propagates through time, and time is not circular (afik), but it is a fractal, hence the appearance of circularity. http://www.jimloy.com/fractals/wave.htm

As for economy conforming to this principle, you are mistaken. The Federal Reserve, ie. A cartel of elite private zionist bankers (Rothschild) are in control of that one (and most of the "free world" banks), who run it like private business *shrug*
The great depression of 1930s in America was not a natural manifestation of economic dynamic. ie. The buying power of the currency dependant on demand and supply. It (economy)is dependant on strategy of the elite bankers working towards their own agendas.(which are too long to explain here) Watch zeitgeist on youtube on federal bank.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalin ... faqfrs.htm

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

Who owns it. = Bank of England owns Americas economy, so basicaly america belongs to...

but, I digress, The cycles are (imo): Smaller wave forms in other wave forms, stretching through infinity of time, varying in size and length. or somesuch...thing. ;-)

Haha, I'm not the most intelligent person, especially when it comes to history, and I certainly agree with you in the fact that it is more like a wave. That is the kind of response i was looking for! Thank you.

That is why I said that cycles can appear to be that if enough information is neglected. i.e. the mind creates the model of a cycle because that's a significant part of how consciousness functions. The appearance of cycles is produced in part because of our natural tendency for dualistic thinking.

That's right. At root, nothing ever repeats.

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Although I agree with Dan and Quinn, I think cycles still serve a certain pragmatic purpose in the scientific community, as they do give us an incomplete slice of how the totality functions. For instance: The Rock Cycle and The
Hydrologic Cycle depicts how both ‘Rocks’ And ‘Water’ occur in three distinct forms, and how those forms arise out of certain causal conditions. Although the forms that arise out of the similar conditions are always different, the causal circumstances that gave rise to those forms are usually quite predictable and similar.

So one shouldn't believe in cycles or theories as complete, as they are only empirical knowledge, but they can contain valuable pragmatic insights, which attempt to draw relationships between the emergence of forms and the similar repeatable conditions which gives rise to those forms.

But as Quinn suggests, every moment is uniquely different, so one shouldn't confuse a theory, which is used to manipulate reality for a certain purpose with a holistic way of perceiving reality. Basically, you just can't add up all the known cycles, and think that you have a complete way of perceiving the world, it isn't that simple.

I certainly agree with you in the fact that it is more like a wave.

Or a spiral.

Ryan Rudolph wrote:So one shouldn't believe in cycles or theories as complete, as they are only empirical knowledge, but they can contain valuable pragmatic insights, which attempt to draw relationships between the emergence of forms and the similar repeatable conditions which gives rise to those forms.

But as Quinn suggests, every moment is uniquely different, so one shouldn't confuse a theory, which is used to manipulate reality for a certain purpose with a holistic way of perceiving reality. Basically, you just can't add up all the known cycles, and think that you have a complete way of perceiving the world, it isn't that simple.

Wow. When I first started this thread, the thing that interested me the most was not so much the fact that mathematically and factually, everything always works in a cycle, but when you apply a cyclic model to things, you can often predict, even with certain chance occurences, the general path that the future will take.

I take back the way i stated everything as BEING a cycle. It would have been better stated like this:

Everything can be fitted into a cyclic model, and through use of these models, we can, to a good degree of certainty, predict the general course of events.

I take back the way i stated everything as BEING a cycle. It would have been better stated like this:

Everything can be fitted into a cyclic model, and through use of these models, we can, to a good degree of certainty, predict the general course of events.

Yeah, phrasing seems to mean a lot on these boards.