GENIUS FORUMS

Hi people, um new, thinker too.

what about all these greater opportunities for women last several decades, what overall good has come of it? for the nation? or world?
is it a net plus or net minus?
many women would say Yes for sure better for them, for them selves, for certain girls, hard to disagree.
But, what about the bigger picture?
My opinion up front: Huge Net Loss, while a few lucky ones enjoy better lives.
If thems the facts- SHIT, what a disaster!

What the fuck was it for, anyway?
was it to make a better world, country, society, or was it primarily to make happier women?
seems latter case to me.
but did it work for that? No, Not really, most women are less happy and sicker than decades ago, in usa. just the lucky few benefited.

What happen actually?
Well, before man call all shots women follow, submit.
Now (last few decades) women measure success by how much MAN submits.

while women became, become more like man, many men made to become more like women WERE.

Lucky few women become little bit more man-like, while MANY men become much more women-like.

Thats how I see it.

Strengthen America? Better for World?

Seems exactly the opposite.
Look what mess resulted.

WHAT TO DO?

? Stop women advancement? (stay submissive)?
I say bad idea too.
But can we continue in good health for people as a group to become more submissive?
Def not.

What say you geniuses? Agree, disagree?

Was supposed to be "womens rights" movement, liberation, feminism movement, what ever you call it, was supposed to allow women better pay, better education, better overall opportunity, better life with independence, equality, most of all better for American families- for America.

was not suposed to be hurtful for men, hurtful for children, hurtful for society, make men like submissive women, make good men lose power and rights and equality, make men abandon higher self, cast doubt on his unique god given gifts, be regarded so low, no longer worthy of respect.

That my say, very important i think, I had to speak up, hope you also do.

My wish to see true equality without stepping on heads of opposite sex, that if women want to advance to have what man has then BE like man IS, that BOTH be MEN, "act like men" and advance together. This way other nations look more favorably on us, consider instead of resist of ways, they cannot abandon their ways just because we give them ipods and cell phones, to abandon old fashion ways they need to see USA succeed at its own plan, NOT disrespect men for womens sake, not lock up many men but women go free.
When other nations see integrity and positive growth, then and only then they put weapons down and difuse bombs and listen.

wake up people, wake up!

Hi Mansman,

Are you living in America? You're not American...

You ask good questions. I want to answer, but I feel dispirited. The old way was surely not good.

Perhaps the problem is more like this : No matter what good intentioned people try to do, it gets ruined by corporate greed and its many corruptions - science is corrupt, modern medicine is corrupt, the media is controlled and corrupt, our government and our legal system is corrupt, our food is destroyed and denatured, our health is precarious, and the people are lied to.

Here's a couple of ideas. If women are going to work, perhaps they still need to make their children their first priority and not their second. This might mean (got this idea from a book) that they need a different life trajectory than men, with children coming early and the working life coming after the age of 30 or 40. Yes, less ambition, but still possible to have a real career if its wanted.

And perhaps women's working world should be structured to the extent possible, completely differently from the old company ways that assumed no responsibility for children, which women tried to fit into.

But you say that both should be like men and advance together. Isn't that what women are doing now, that you don't like?

Why do women have to be men? How does this respect women? What if I say men should be like women and advance together? Do you like it?
Is it fair? Can you compete as a woman among women or will you lose?

Why do you think other nations should put down their weapons when the U.S. has bombed at least 20 or 30 countries since WWII?

Who needs to put down their weapons? Who needs to listen?

Why do you think other nations should put down their weapons when the U.S. has bombed at least 20 or 30 countries since WWII?

Aren't you exaggerating?

Exaggerating what, the number?

Carl G wrote:Exaggerating what, the number?

Thanks.

PS - Ban the bomb before it bans us :-/


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Carl G wrote:Exaggerating what, the number?

I guess she's not exaggerating. A good third of these nations I either never knew we had bombed or had forgotten. When you see them listed all in one place it is poignant.

Iolaus wrote:Hi Mansman,

Are you living in America? You're not American...

No, been visiting only.

You ask good questions. I want to answer, but I feel dispirited. The old way was surely not good.

Perhaps the problem is more like this : No matter what good intentioned people try to do, it gets ruined by corporate greed and its many corruptions - science is corrupt, modern medicine is corrupt, the media is controlled and corrupt, our government and our legal system is corrupt, our food is destroyed and denatured, our health is precarious, and the people are lied to.

So for you greed and selfishness is bigger problem. Maybe many greedy people are just as disappoint as you are, maybe good intention people if had opportunity greedy people have, would grab more things and steal money too. Yes it seem very much everyone out for themselves and ok to step on weaker or slower or less informed ones, just competition right! and all American knows that all competition is good. ha!

Here's a couple of ideas. If women are going to work, perhaps they still need to make their children their first priority and not their second. This might mean (got this idea from a book) that they need a different life trajectory than men, with children coming early and the working life coming after the age of 30 or 40. Yes, less ambition, but still possible to have a real career if its wanted.

Nature seem to agree with you, look how many teenagers try hard to be pregnant, but society discourage babies and sex when hormones say YES. Wonder how smart is this way.

And perhaps women's working world should be structured to the extent possible, completely differently from the old company ways that assumed no responsibility for children, which women tried to fit into.

But you say that both should be like men and advance together. Isn't that what women are doing now, that you don't like?

not only women but also men can be main caretaker of children, amny men make excellent parents but women not give fair chance to take this role, ha! I find one place where American NOT LIKE competion after all!

No to your question, I no dislike women learn to do thing man knows how to do, and to learn to do same things as good as man do them, this good for America.

Why do women have to be men? How does this respect women? What if I say men should be like women and advance together? Do you like it?
Is it fair? Can you compete as a woman among women or will you lose?

Maybe after reading above you understand me now what i mean.
Remember its Women who protest want same chances to become whatever men are, were.
Im not telling women what to become, their idea.
But its stupid and hurtful if liberation only give women freedom to say take off bra and fuck all they want with who they want, I hope that not main purpose of liberation and equality cry.
Best to advance themselves inside then outside otherwise thy fall and crack when "man-sized" problem arrise in her new job.

Why do you think other nations should put down their weapons when the U.S. has bombed at least 20 or 30 countries since WWII?

Who needs to put down their weapons? Who needs to listen?

Im talking about terrorists and others who hate Americans, I just saying if America look better to them they may stop waging war. OK?

In defense of American army, world needs police just like your town need police. Just so happen worlds police is mostly USA, that is expectation of many other nation that USA do police work. This is why its USA doinf more of bombing other "criminal" countries and governments. WHY wouldnt they? They are the Police!
Why would others (nations) punish criminals (nations) less?
Bet you know answer now!.......

I will try to stay on the topic.
thanks
good post

Mansman,

not only women but also men can be main caretaker of children, amny men make excellent parents but women not give fair chance to take this role, ha! I find one place where American NOT LIKE competion after all!

In this you are completely wrong. I know lots and lots and lots of people in which the two parents are sharing the childcare, even for small babies. I see fathers with babies in backpacks and strollers without their wives, every day.

It could be a partial excuse, world police, but America has dropped dirty bombs, left radioactivity, bombs designed to kill an maim civilians, dropped bombs on countries and the American public knew almost nothing about it. The rate of Leukemia in Iraq children is 7 times higher now than it used to be.

The government lied about the gulf of Tonkin, lied about Pearl Harbor, lied about Japanese willingness to surrender, and lied about 9-11.

Iolaus wrote:Mansman,

not only women but also men can be main caretaker of children, amny men make excellent parents but women not give fair chance to take this role, ha! I find one place where American NOT LIKE competion after all!

In this you are completely wrong. I know lots and lots and lots of people in which the two parents are sharing the childcare, even for small babies. I see fathers with babies in backpacks and strollers without their wives, every day.

Yes, but we talk of two different things, you talk of service to child, shit, of course mother let daddy wipe ass and feed the baby, but me I talk about something far more important and something women will not stand for any competition from their man or any man, I talk about allowing father to be equal in the eyes of the child, this all child-wanting women never stand for, and consciously act to make it a complete impossibility, which is extremely selfish and disrespect both husband and his child. Beyond this you could call it "main caretaker" where child sees father as most important, most familiar, most attached to, most loyal to compared to mother. But truth is mother never allow even EQUAL the parents relative to the child let alone man as main caretaker. Unless of course she what they call lousy mother! haha

Start from very first moment when baby open eyes, mother stare intently into baby eyes and a few days of this mother knows she already FAR ahead of husband in terms of importance to child. If you have many decades of this then you end up with (USA!) nation of people who hold men in very low regard just for not having vagina- just for being male.
Cant you see and taste how disgusting it is, if you are living in USA.
I could say many ways mother lock-out poor dad without bafoon even knowing!
Just if toddler or teen pretend to care about father few moments a week that reinforce lie of shallow love, this all most men need to be tricked. when going gets tough maybe then they find out how little they rate and get peek of master plan of wife.

ok next subject....

It could be a partial excuse, world police, but America has dropped dirty bombs, left radioactivity, bombs designed to kill an maim civilians, dropped bombs on countries and the American public knew almost nothing about it. The rate of Leukemia in Iraq children is 7 times higher now than it used to be.

The government lied about the gulf of Tonkin, lied about Pearl Harbor, lied about Japanese willingness to surrender, and lied about 9-11.

Always someone has to enforce no matter where it is, if was not USA beleive me it would be other or others. Sucks being enforcer but USA falls into job because of several factors you know diversity, also built by many people from various lands (the ones needing policing too) and richness of land (to build weapons, cars, ships, planes that World Police need to do their job), and love of guns and shooting (puritans killing turkeys) haha, you get the idea.

Dont you think all govmets lie to their people? Some time for own good it is, and people understand this.
Just like Bush ou know always rating is very low, what 25%? You think Bush dislike? No but he let peole think and assume so he cant be truthful and say "Hey its best for all of you if my rating is low so terrorists and middle east nations dont hate you they hate me instead, this how I protect you my main job by not be honest to you"

ok then?
Have a good day!

I try to make discussion on important topic you suprise me read this subject but few have feeling to express ideas, but then I think- Wait! probably many agree this why little 'talk' so far, only few disagree. I hope more great genius minds express so we may be change our way(those that need) and improve life, family, and hole USA.

Important to i.d. problem areas. When I reread ideas its come to me about how many American girls become sick with cancer in the breast and ovries, there inside systems related to making and feeding children. Funny no one wonder why Ameican women get so much cancer when many other non-American women get much less these kinds of cancer, mainly I speak of women who dont (guess what?) take much the PILL and other related things I dont even know (and dont want to know!).

Amaze me how people can deny to themself obvious things.
Remember when smoking was not related to cancer in lungs? But it was so obvious.

If instead smoking people had much cancer in say kneecap, then maybe sensible person not accept connection with smoking. Beleive something else is the fault.

Or, if women who take PILL and all the rest of sexual feeedom (maybe abortions, mastrubation with foreign objects with electricity, and on and on) If they would (instead of baby-making-feeding system of body getting sick) get cancer in kneecap then who would say PILL is to blame for knee cancer? (A.only idiot or genius!)
BUT!
BUT PEOPLE.
But WHERE is the cancer happning! showing up in body?
Lets see- PILL stop baby, duh..., breast no need no more, duh..., cancer enter breast, duh..., doctor remove breast!

And- PILL confuse reproduction...(not digestion you notice?)....system out of balance...woman fucking freeely....no need condom to stop baby.....seemen enter woman....system say whathafuc! I do now?....cervex or ovaries or tubes become sick.....doctor start cutting again.

Understand now?

But, you see any tv comercial or newspaper ads warn the women?, I dont. Maybe there is warning on PILL package or with plastic electric vibrator, I dont have these so I dont know, but I doubt very much is warning.
You see companies need be rich no matter how it hurts innocent beautiful women.
And do the goverment protect these people? I dont know but again I doubt.
To much to loose to become healthy.
How crazy is that!

Come on genius and others, have guts to join in, this way maybe we help the innocent.
Too many women suffer greatly and I strongly beleive can be avoided.

Dont do like a broken headed camel who stick eyes in sand to avoid fearful sights and confrontation with other camels!

mansman wrote:Dont do like a broken headed camel who stick eyes in sand to avoid fearful sights and confrontation with other camels!

Did mansman just call me a camel...?

Some sort of deformed ostrich-camel type creature I think.

Well Mansman,

I happen to take quite an interest in the topic of cancer causation. But why are you so suspicious? I thought we had a wonderful government?

Generally, this is not really the sort of topic we talk about here, especially since they shut down the brothel.

It isn't philosophy.

There are a lot of cancers, not just female cancers, lots of causes, but I do agree that the artificial hormones have been a major cause. The whole things stinks and cancer treatments are really nothing but a racket.

Where are you from Mansman?

As a first step to answering your post, Anna, I thought to move it from out of Mi-ki-els cosmic clutches and put it down over here. Will respond a little later today (for those waiting with hurried breath).
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That advertising mind-fuck stuff always kind of freaks me out. I think it has a very dark component and is actually a sort of 'evil' (meaning, a kind of 'bad' that hints at 'diabolical').


Basically, the use of any sort of force against another being is the definition of evil. The two main modes of evil, are violence and the lie. Manipulation and deception are the tools here, which come under the heading of lying.

This here is the divide between the actions of God and good beings, versus evil ones. God will never use force of any kind, not even persuasion. If we want help, we must ask for it. Of course, karma is true, it's how things work, but it's a travesty to suppose that God would ever be offended, take vengeance, or require any sort of payment.

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There is no legal mechanism to protect 'us' from 'them'.
The fact is, we are powerless over these forces.
Now it seems we live in an aftermath that is so complex, so multi-layered, that is is most likely impossible to sort through it to arrive at clarity.


Are things coming to a head? Can they continue like this indefinitely? Humanity is in way over its head at this time.


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and all the language is about how to by-pass the mind to get to the 'emotions'


But they do this to men as well.

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The peculiar thing is that it seems that advertising and market interests are working concertedly to by-pass and to eliminate the 'reasoning male', the male-figure who traditionally was represented as the 'head of the family', the one who was responsible, concerned and always on the look-out for the well-being and 'best interests' of his family. I propose that we have witnessed the way that 'ressentiment' (in the exclusively Nietzschean sense) has operated against this figure, and the primary weapon used against this male-figure (paterfamilias)has been ridicule. First you have to make him and all he stands for appear ridiculous and then it can be made to seem unfashionable, and then geekish, unsophisticated, unhip.


Have you been reading Henry Makow? (website, not book)


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In the culture wars of the last decades, great efforts have been made to overturn and transmute values, and right there in the process have been advertising men, the psychic rats, rationally studying the way to subvert, pervert and seduce the multitudes. They can hardly exert any upstanding moral value, since the whole process is amoral, and the only concern is to sell products (or opinions).


Well, it is a free-for-all, with good intentions mixed up with devious. The majority are confused. One area people are quite confused is about health and diet and what to eat. Our country is become quite unhealthy because many people eat almost entirely fake food, and take no responsibility for their own health, which puts them at the mercy of the pharmaceutical industry, which is at the top of the diabolical and greedy heap you speak of.

What's funny is that many of the accusations made by the Soviets about American capitalism were quite true.

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The way I have described advertising experts---those who like demons work the lower, inner, hidden angles to manipulate people---is really a sort of Christian view.


I, too, have come to a kind of Christian conclusion like this, which is, that the old idea that this world is the devil's playground is quite true, and that it contributes to the problem. I mean that. Disembodied entities from a more subtle dimension and an agenda are able to influence minds and perhaps world events.


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On some level, I think, a viable alternative is actually to retreat away from media culture and to create defenses against it. It is a futile effort at resistance, but what else can one do?



Well, I don't watch television. If you want to do that as a family, you have to not have a TV.


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Instead of trying to deny their own nature there is an effort to investigate it, augment it, take control of it.

Well, this is the sort of thing I am interested in, and I am wondering what women's capabilities are. Consistent differences in aptitudes, behaviors, motivations and the brain behind that - this is what interests me. What is women's potential?


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This is all very strange, of course, because of a very real historical oppression of women. In what culture and at what time could women be said not to have been oppressed?


Yes, there was this author named Rich Zubaty who wrote a book called What Men Know That Women Don't. But like the guys here, he was absolutely one-sided. He really thinks it takes one to tango, and that women are the oppressors. I had written to him and agreed with him on a few things, and he invited me to come and speak with him, but then he got mad and stopped talking to me because I talked about the real oppression women have had. He would not budge. It was all female manipulation, yeah, having to live a life under house arrest, never speak to a nonrelated male, wear a stifling black tent when going outside (accompanied by a male) and having stonings on Friday for infidelity, or even for having been raped. None of the worst abuses I could think of phased him from his position.

Because of all this, I am sympathetic to letting anyone pursue what they want to do. Tho I think it is a mistake to have women in the military. But what is going on is that women in droves are, I think, following some societal brainwashing and following a male life plan that doesn't really suit them. What has actually happened in this liberation is that women now get to work at a bunch of jobs, have less time to raise their children, and give sex to lots more men, who now have fewer responsibilities.

But that doesn't necessarily make them happy. Because maybe men thrive on having responsibility and a certain arena of authority in which their masculine abilities are needed.

Are the home fires colder? I bet married couples have less frequent sex now than in the 50s.

Iolaus wrote:Well Mansman,

I happen to take quite an interest in the topic of cancer causation. But why are you so suspicious? I thought we had a wonderful government?

Generally, this is not really the sort of topic we talk about here, especially since they shut down the brothel.

It isn't philosophy.

There are a lot of cancers, not just female cancers, lots of causes, but I do agree that the artificial hormones have been a major cause. The whole things stinks and cancer treatments are really nothing but a racket.

Ya that what they want you to believe that it all about artificial hormones, because they know, everyone know, that PILL is soooo important to women that ALL fear say anything bad about, they know no one believe that no one WANT TO BELIEVE that wonderful PILL has been reason for cutting many breat of women. To me no docotr make pewrfect sense- body forced not have baby, so body eliminate tits (cancer will make tit drop off, but usually docotre remove before). Also vagina some parts not needed if PILL force body not to make baby as design. So body say -- Fine, I make it rot off too!

Someday we all see what huge bad -....negative impact PILL and artifical Penis and vibration and solutions and condom latex have on our innocent women bodies, to me it a crime, so much greed I see in USA they sacrifice each other like enemies, how crazy I cant believe my eyes.

You know that you write is they teach you, and again they keep much secret. First priority with goverment is NOT people but family is, then other people second. They not care your health, they care your lives. If you dead how they get rich?
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Maybe I try to better explain why ask for ideas or opinions at start of this thread.
I was asking of geniuses here to suggest what should/should not continue or what should change, to improve situation we have now.
What situation?
The one I see in USA.
What I see?
I see (like I already write you) I see women acting like the man in relation to men, and men acting like the woman in relation to women. There, finally I said it clearly. maybe! haha
What else I see?
I see women show open disrespect of the men and not afraid be condemed. I see men afraid to say when woman make him feel disrespected. More specific, men submit like women used to do in world. I also feel anger and disgust of women, maybe because men are weak, maybe other reasons also, maybe bc since natural roles are no more women cannot be happy anymore, except for rare superior woman.
Also I feel fear of women in America, fear genius critics are rite, correct, fear that they may be as weak as they sometime feel.
Women not blind, they see growing list of male performers and achiever and see that no or very few female are doing same things at same level. So the woman begin to dread herself instead of improve with truth (if so). Now what is man doing to protect women from her own mind?
Im very concerned what I see, not only for phisical and mental illness of adults women but all the women coming in future. We need to think and plan and find way to make life better for both, for all persons in worlds future.
But I see so much disturbance.
On top I ask- Do we go back to traditional ways? (no!)
Do we keep shooting arrows each other make and make increasing difficulties living together the sexes? (no!!)
So then WHAT WE WILL DO???????

This true reason for apparent existence of this thread.
This essential to discuss if you care about mankind.
Where are You smart people?
M