GENIUS FORUMS

Awareness of logic is awareness of dualism. To be aware of dualism is to be aware of being of two natures, or two minds. The Whole is absent of awareness of being of two natures/two minds. Therefore, the Whole is absent of awareness of logic.

The human conscious of oppositional (logical) interpretation is an extension or emanation of the Whole. This is why it is said by those who have gone within themselves to "see" the cause of their belief in dualism use metaphors such as "veil" or "darkness" to express their sense of being apart or separate from the Whole.

It is because of this veil or darkness or shadow of "seeing" that the human conscious becomes dependent upon its intellect of analysis and reasoning and of believing that it is possible to peek beyond the veil of its own darkness into the Whole using the very vehicle of the cause of its ignorance - its intellect of dualism, it intellect of logic-subjectivity.

To be one with the Whole wherein there is no preference or distinction or comparison between Thought means that the intellect of preference, of distinction, of comparing thoughts, must be dissolved. No human conscious likes to hear these words that the conscience of the Whole knows to be so, for the human conscious of the dividing intellect has become very fond of its belief that it's dual voice speaks of the way/nature of the Whole Itself.

Most men come to an understanding of wisdom books by way of their intellect and cannot see that at the heart of all wisdom of the infinite (called mysticism by some) there is a call to leave this voice of the shadow of darkness behind so that The LIVING Wisdom of the Infinite can be revealed first of metaphors of THAT and then, upon absorption of all metaphors of THAT......??

No one knows. This is the true wisdom of the infinite: you cannot know the infinite, for the infinite is LIVING YOU, moment by moment by moment, in Mystery, of Mystery, for Mystery. If you do not believe that what I say is so, ask your conscience.

Maybe you just make it too confusing for your own conscience to understand. I don't understand what you wrote. I think what you are trying to do is talk about a brain as a whole instrument.. like this....

No-one will ever understand the workings of the internet, because beyond the words on the screen you will never find if there is an actual person talking to you on the other side. This is what you might call the mystical reality of duality. The words that you read with your eyes can never be physically projected backwards to where they came from. The truth is that God gives you these words to read as a way to learn, a way to grow. Mankind may strip a computer apart, and find a connection with another place in another world, be he will never find the conscience of the other person inside the computer.

You see? A computer, and the internet is quite a simple construct compared with the brain, but linking to an energy source is always quite difficult, because it doesn't drop a bread trail. It doesn't mean that there isn't a trail to follow however.

Pincho Paxton wrote:Maybe you just make it too confusing for your own conscience to understand. I don't understand what you wrote. I think what you are trying to do is talk about a brain as a whole instrument.. like this....

No-one will ever understand the workings of the internet, because beyond the words on the screen you will never find if there is an actual person talking to you on the other side. This is what you might call the mystical reality of duality. The words that you read with your eyes can never be physically projected backwards to where they came from. The truth is that God gives you these words to read as a way to learn, a way to grow. Mankind may strip a computer apart, and find a connection with another place in another world, be he will never find the conscience of the other person inside the computer.

You see? A computer, and the internet is quite a simple construct compared with the brain, but linking to an energy source is always quite difficult, because it doesn't drop a bread trail. It doesn't mean that there isn't a trail to follow however.

PP, this energy source of which you speak is within you. How can it be anywhere else, or be in anyone else but within your awareness of you? Is not all you are aware of within your conscience of consciousness, including your causal energy?

As for the bread trail, indeed, there is one that is left to follow, but the bread trail is not made up of the crumbs of the interpreting human intellect of dualism, because it is the intellect that is the very instrument of the appearance of these visible duality-caused crumbs. The "mystical reality of duality" of which you speak are the crumbs of human thought of matter, be they perceived to be as large as an elephant or as micro-tiny as quantum foam. The law of the Spirit of life dictates that matter (the appearance of visible form) cannot enter Pure Awareness (permanent spirit form). This is not a belief on my part, it is an unchanging law of Consciousness, to be proven by the individual for themselves. You can look at whatever "science" identifies as being "of God" or "of cause" and what I have just stated about the reality of duality applies. As long as your senses are engaged, you are standing outside of the (whole) REALITY of you.

So you are right, you will never find the conscience of the other person, because you will never find the conscience of you. You will not find your conscience, but you can become consciously one with its invisible laws that are living you, moment by moment by moment. The law of the Spirit of life dwells within your conscience of consciousness. Should you, as pure awareness of your conscience, become one with this law, you would not "see" your cause, rather, you would be one with your cause. No more effects would emanate from your awareness of you. No more matter would be produced from your awareness of you. No more dualism would arise in the conscious awareness of you. You would be the Pure [Infinite/Omnipresent] Thought of You.

movingalways wrote: PP, this energy source of which you speak is within you. How can it be anywhere else, or be in anyone else but within your awareness of you? Is not all you are aware of within your conscience of consciousness, including your causal energy?

As for the bread trail, indeed, there is one that is left to follow, but the bread trail is not made up of the crumbs of the interpreting human intellect of dualism, because it is the intellect that is the very instrument of the appearance of these visible duality-caused crumbs. The "mystical reality of duality" of which you speak are the crumbs of human thought of matter, be they perceived to be as large as an elephant or as micro-tiny as quantum foam. The law of the Spirit of life dictates that matter (the appearance of visible form) cannot enter Pure Awareness (permanent spirit form). This is not a belief on my part, it is an unchanging law of Consciousness, to be proven by the individual for themselves. You can look at whatever "science" identifies as being "of God" or "of cause" and what I have just stated about the reality of duality applies. As long as your senses are engaged, you are standing outside of the (whole) REALITY of you.

So you are right, you will never find the conscience of the other person, because you will never find the conscience of you. You will not find your conscience, but you can become consciously one with its invisible laws that are living you, moment by moment by moment. The law of the Spirit of life dwells within your conscience of consciousness. Should you, as pure awareness of your conscience, become one with this law, you would not "see" your cause, rather, you would be one with your cause. No more effects would emanate from your awareness of you. No more matter would be produced from your awareness of you. No more dualism would arise in the conscious awareness of you. You would be the Pure [Infinite/Omnipresent] Thought of You.

Why do I need this body at all, if I can do fine without it? My energy will be a stream of energy.. not sure how long it can stay together in death. You need a second body waiting for you, which there could be.. somewhere.