GENIUS FORUMS

-Seek and destroy-
Metallica~

-Never-
The theory of atheism is insatiable.

Frea,
you believe in God.
you are saying you were made by God and do not exist independent of God,
you are arguing causality.
replace the word god with causality.
You don't know God.
You know causality.

John,

I understand but still, to what end without influencing peoples lives for the benefit? There is nothing else of any worth in a world of consciousness.

creating from the distinction 'nothing's wrong',
as a possibility for you as being-in-action,
is all to do with composure,
comportment.

People aren't in the habit of listening so engrossed are they in their own soliloquoy.
What they will see with their eyes is your comportment,
your at easeness,
your untrammeled mind,
they will see 'nothing's wrong' which is something they are completely unaccustomed to and will take notice of.
that and that alone enrols them,
they will see that,
and ask you about it,
now they will listen.
It's remarkable in that space that what you say turns out to be exactly the right thing to say in that moment.
You and other will be in 'the zone'.

If you create from the distinction 'something's wrong'.
you will rush about looking for people to fix.
eager to please and to get a result.
you will look flustered,
you will gush words to try and get them to listen.
you will get frustrated,
you will oversell what you want to say, like a desperate salesman,
you will look like an idiot.
you will lose your cool and take a severe psychological blow.
the fixee will not be enrolled in you.

Wisdom is so deep.

From what I've read and seen the Dalai Lama was showing up on TV News bouncing around like a puppy singing happy, happy, happy.
His news bytes were sandwiched in between reports about the GFC and Global Warming.
Not a good look.
Reports are the big boys are pulling him off the front line and grooming another guy.
Dress for the conditions.

Seeker, enjoy your writing.

Yesterday I heard a reporter ask a teen about her living conditions after the hurricane Sandy. The gist of her answer - without electronic entertainment she is bored.

Since you are a seeker, consider placing unwavering attention here, on your observation:

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Bliss and awe when you are outside in nature, maybe when marveling at humans, the mystery and incredible creations, or in good meditation, but when truly aware of the illusion and awake, bliss and awe are much less prominent than boredom and pointlessness. Like I said, I can see that when I change room I am not truly moving, only my sensual experience is changing, so why change rooms? That's boredom. I eat to sate an illusory desire to stay alive in an illusory fleeting world.

Consider, no boredom requires no effort, as mind's contribution to unwavering attention naturally reveals both the gross and the subtle, and with the capacity of inference, correlates the limits of sensory perception with a non-delusional, rational apprehension of the causal flow.

The operations manager sometimes sits in an office close to the docks, and while hearing the various machines beyond the walls, the sounds of people, identifying and correlating sounds to recent memories of dock activities, schedules, plans in motion, the all-important clock, accurate visual pictures of reality beyond the range of eyes spontaneously arise from the dozens of probabilities, allowing an effortless witnessing of essential activities based on an unobstructed and rational apprehension of causality, effectively linking mind to action via one sensory gate.

Fasting moves awareness towards the border that contains attention. The closer the border, the more ignorance abates. The allure of the border is great, as conditions there naturally prompt awareness to drop the affectations of pettiness and anxiety, and without these distractions, attention can hold steady.

Cross the border, game over.

Eating serves to distance the border. Never out of sight, it recedes and advances. As peace of mind stabilizes, visitations to its proximity become superfluous as the body naturally begins to drop affinities for distraction.

Dennis,
More than likely-
There are 'numbers' which don't exist!

BELIEVE-YOU-ME this sight lacks integrity! I've stooped into knowing what is right and wrong. Bagging someones ears never turned me away! Christ! Logic is unfathomable when your in tune with /ti
E.
I've done my research QRS~
Knowing is half the battle. I keep a log book of all my time in space+(. Everything happens for a reason. Set's one, two, three...what is logic;/? X-X
A more fundamental way of placing it! My-how the future got it's usage. So, if I'm using all that isn't practical how is it that I've refurbished quantum physics/? I'm not illogical or impractical. I'm simply modifying a reality for the suckle breach of SYSTEM=WORRYING.
The theme of magnificent wording causes a logical person to frown upon his own worrying of reality.

What I mean is-
I'm not illogical. I'm simply in love with Leyla Shen

SeekerOfWisdom: Unless, do you think that upon excepting death and being non-attached from sensual experience one can truly leave the round of rebirths for any other kind of existence? As the Buddha described.. how did he know? Surely he could not have passed on such knowledge before death?

This is the nature of my enlightenment, SOW, and I do relate to your experience of boredom with sensual experience, but what I discovered is that if one does not desire to meditate out of the body of breath into another kind of existence, they must make peace with sensual experience or they will be no good to themselves or to anyone else. So many philosophers fell into depression or despair or went mad living in this hellish limbo existence.

How I made peace with sentience was to realize that it was because of the limitations of my sentience that I become aware of being expanded beyond these limitations which means that I can only guide another to see what I see while both of us are sentient. Some call this realization of being a guide to the beyond the activity of compassion, but like all human concepts, it merely suggests why there is a continuum of "spirit touching spirit", it cannot explain the reality of the continuum.

Also for me, the experience of making peace with sense experience for the sake of sentient beings became itself, an experience. What I realized is that as my peace with my role as guide bloomed and strengthened, so did my peace with illusory sense objects bloom and strengthen. Now I can eat a piece of apple pie without going into either guilt mode or boredom mode, rather, I enjoy every bite of its illusory deliciousness! When it appears, I eat it, when it is gone, it is gone!


The infinite 'needs' you. You must 'hear' this need, or you would not be here. I for one am glad you keep returning from your meditations, it gives me a reason to hang around!

ForbidenRea wrote:What I mean is-
I'm not illogical. I'm simply in love with Leyla Shen

It's hard not to fall.

Dennis Mahar wrote: From what I've read and seen the Dalai Lama was showing up on TV News bouncing around like a puppy singing happy, happy, happy.
His news bytes were sandwiched in between reports about the GFC and Global Warming.
Not a good look.
Reports are the big boys are pulling him off the front line and grooming another guy.
Dress for the conditions.

Yes before releasing any real works there would have to be a great deal of thought in how to properly present ourselves(if we have to present ourselves at all) and the info.

I'm still lost on how to do this. I've always thought dialogue was a good way. Poetic non-rhyming dialogue sounds pretty engaging. First thoughts.

Cahoot wrote:

Cross the border, game over.

Eating serves to distance the border. Never out of sight, it recedes and advances. As peace of mind stabilizes, visitations to its proximity become superfluous as the body naturally begins to drop affinities for distraction.

Cahoot, I think I followed you, any idea what happens when you cross?

Are we talking about complete detachment from here, or did you lose me?

movingalways wrote: Also for me, the experience of making peace with sense experience for the sake of sentient beings became itself, an experience. What I realized is that as my peace with my role as guide bloomed and strengthened, so did my peace with illusory sense objects bloom and strengthen. Now I can eat a piece of apple pie without going into either guilt mode or boredom mode, rather, I enjoy every bite of its illusory deliciousness! When it appears, I eat it, when it is gone, it is gone!


The infinite 'needs' you. You must 'hear' this need, or you would not be here. I for one am glad you keep returning from your meditations, it gives me a reason to hang around!

Moving always, you have shown a great understanding of enlightenment, I say this because it is similar to mine. The things can be enjoyed, especially when you are looking at everything with divinity behind it, but there is something fundamental I realized about existence...
..

People want to understand the mind of god, but I found that it is obvious,

You look into space and do you see one planet? No, seemingly infinite.
Is there one of anything?

That is the mind of god, do you think an eternal awareness would dream up a few scenarios, a hundred, or all of them?

Our lives, every thought, every day, is infinity being played out.

That is why the ideas of purpose and reason are faulty, there is no reason in infinity.
Infinity manifests the greatest joy and worst of suffering, Hiroshima and birthday parties.
Says everything that could ever be said a million times over.

"The infinite 'needs' you. You must 'hear' this need,"

There is no need, it would torture you as easily as it would worship you.

With the eternal dreamer you are one, and that which is changing you become.

Starting a group called.... no idea yet.

Group curriculum:

Determine the most philosophically beneficial group curriculum for our ongoing existence and then undertake that route.


You are all joining right? Can't think of a reason why not to, its not like we have to do anything.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:People want to understand the mind of god, but I found that it is obvious,

You look into space and do you see one planet? No, seemingly infinite.
Is there one of anything?

That is the mind of god, do you think an eternal awareness would dream up a few scenarios, a hundred, or all of them?

Our lives, every thought, every day, is infinity being played out.

That is why the ideas of purpose and reason are faulty, there is no reason in infinity.
Infinity manifests the greatest joy and worst of suffering, Hiroshima and birthday parties.
Says everything that could ever be said a million times over.

"The infinite 'needs' you. You must 'hear' this need,"

There is no need, it would torture you as easily as it would worship you.

With the eternal dreamer you are one, and that which is changing you become.

Everything you believe you know about God exists because of your sentient mind. Do you believe God has a brain, the prerequisite for sentience?

hahah your question is, do I think god has a brain?

God/Tao/source

Means nothing more than the unknown cause of our incredible sensual experiences and witnessing of consciousness.

And I would hate to break it to you movingalways, your brain is only something that can be witnessed or conceptualized within sensual experience.

In other words, consciousness exists despite body or brain.
You seemed to have understood the illusion perfectly, you don't see the need for a cause of this?

;(

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:You are all joining right? Can't think of a reason why not to, its not like we have to do anything.

No, your approach is hopelessly naive and you don't seem to be aware of the history of Western nonduality at all.

Its ok brad I wasn't talking to you, and I think it's you are naive.

Nonduality- Opposites define each other but are actually one. Separation exists only in the mind. Most notably described by Heraclitus, Lao Tzu, Buddha, etc..

If you are trying to say that this is what is meant when Buddha spoke of reality being an illusion, you are an absolute fool.

What he actually meant is that the physical universe is the stuff of dream, "like a miraculous image projected".

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Its ok brad I wasn't talking to you, and I think it's you are naive.

Nice.

Nonduality- Opposites define each other but are actually one. Separation exists only in the mind. Most notably described by Heraclitus, Lao Tzu, Buddha, etc..

If you are trying to say that this is what is meant when Buddha spoke of reality being an illusion, you are an absolute fool.

What he actually meant is that the physical universe is the stuff of dream, "like a miraculous image projected".

If you want to change anything substantially you'll have to work with others and you'll need to recognize your own kind. I gave you many clues that we are on the same page. Again I pushed your buttons to get your attention and you immediately jumped to an erroneous conclusion and tried to lecture me.

If you want to know why your approach is hopelessly naive then go convert a dozen fundamaterialists off Atheism on Reddit. Twelve out of a million plus godless redditors should be easy, right? If you want to know what I meant by "the history of Western nonduality" then start with Hermeticism, the Pythagoreans, Stoicism, Gnosticism, and Paganism in ancient Rome. That's by no means an exhaustive list.

brad walker wrote:. Again I pushed your buttons to get your attention and you immediately jumped to an erroneous conclusion and tried to lecture me.

First of all, you commented out of the blue saying my approach was naive, I automatically assumed you meant my philosophical approach... what else could you be talking about? You then referred to non duality, which I have heard people connect as the reason for reality being an illusion... which is completely wrong.

If you were not making this wrong assumption, then what were you doing referencing non duality in regard to my philosophical approach?


Care to outline the point you were trying to make?

Also, your Reddit comment is ridiculous, they won't understand for the same reason you don't.

"If they did not laugh, it would not be the Tao"

^ High level

May the tenants go on breathing while the Wilkinson's adorn their young. Misty by the ocean, a sail sets for Alabastard. While we were dreaming of that foggy winter spray. I thought to myself, " Can's there be a passage to eternity?" While, the doom of ocean waves came crashing down on us, the cathedrals sharp as iron tor the dragons lair beside us. I awake to hear your voice screaming in the night! " You take us to our deaths!"
I was bright eyed. I tore off your sleeve and granted you fire. A fire that was lit by a defiant Sapian! You sought thee ocean! I grant wills. You beg of me. I want to die.
The ocean carries dreams. I went as far as I could. The fire inside of you burns like the night's shooting star.
I hoped in an accord with my crew! Fire flashed as the dragons deeply found that wars in the sky. "It's all just a dream captain."

Forbidden

Why does everyone on this forum speak in indirect stories and metaphors?

Forum communication is hard enough, and open to enough misunderstanding, why not be straight forward with what your trying to say, and honest with the reason you are saying it?