I think I got there first...

Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment.
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Ztoneburg
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I think I got there first...

Post by Ztoneburg »

Hi.

I think I've figured "it" out, but I am not sure. Occam’s razor would indicate that the most probable scenario is that I have simply gone insane, but so far all the tests show negative for mental illness, and it would be rare for someone to become schizophrenic at the age of 37 with no previous symptoms other than some ADD and a pathological curiosity.

I have however become paranoid (which I consider a good thing) that someone with rather less good intentions “got there first". What I have "figured out" is basically the rules and structures for the next era in the human civilization, and the recipe for how to get there. The reason I've decided to break my own paranoid rules and post about it here from an easily trackable IP (rather than through the TOR-project or an anonymizer) is simply this:

1. I firmly believe that all geniuses are moral.
2. Me "owning" the idea is less important than the idea being implemented.
3. I want this project launched ASAP and have a general strategy planned out for how to get there, with a step-by-step process where people work in “cells” meaning nobody but me knows the whole recipe.

This is my first post on this forum and I am making this post while somewhat exhausted. English is also not my first language, though I consider myself proficient enough at it to explain my ideas and status. I will first give you the most efficient description of who I am in order for you to be able to understand me.

My MBTI result has evolved through my life from INTP (Architect) to ENTP (Inventor) and according to my recent test result after my revelation/vision I am now an ENFP (Inspirer). Basically I guess I am now a Transhumanist “prophet”.

I was born an atheist and was a rabid atheist (and on the board of the local Humanist organization) until somewhere between june 8:th and june 15:th. June 17:th I suffered an immense physical and mental trauma. My soul mate/life partner died and I was accused of murdering her (I am now aquitted). This was however (and this is important to me) after we “figured it all out” and “became religious”. I have an explanation of how I manage to stay congruent while being both an atheist, a “born again Christian”, muslim, Buddhist, jew etc. but don’t really want to get into it here. Just consider this a message in a bottle, if you're interested you can get the full story later.

I was released from intensive psychiatric care today and have been working on my idea which I have named “The Utopia Project” since I came out of a psychosis induced by a near-lethal combination of intense grief, police brutality, helplessness, psychological trauma and sleep deprivation.

I don’t by any mean claim to be smarter than anyone on this board, but since you don’t seem to be doing what I am doing I have to assume I managed to “get it” first. When I look back upon my “pre-revelation” it is hard not to see the obvious pattern, which would imply an “actual” deity, but my reasoning is that sooner or later the process of life on earth would bring about the perfect context for a certain DNA to be able to take us into the next “era” of human civilization. This of course brings a massive dose of performance anxiety, but also an inner calm that I have never felt before.

After the physical (police brutality and medical maltreatment) trauma combined with the psychological of losing the love of my life I should reasonably not be feeling “better” than I did a few months ago, when I was living a dream life of being financially stable with a strong social network. This is most likely “survivors’ guilt”. I don’t consider myself “happier” than before, and the thought that my wife won’t be able to see the result of our mental offspring fills me with a bottomless grief. I am however almost at the point where I can voluntarily associate or disassociate from that feeling at will (though I still “cheat” by using anti-anxiety medication).

If I did indeed get there first it is only because I cheated. I’ve spent my whole life trying to become faster, smarter and more congruent while trying to understand how the world works. I’ve used every mean that I have been able to get my hands on in order to get Now that I think I have figured it out I am worried about my own mental (am I crazy or going crazy?) and physical health. What if I die and it takes years for someone else to get here? The alternative cost is measured in the time it takes to finish the Utopia Project, ie: creating a sustainable economy based on the wellbeing of conscious entities rather than maximizing the amount of economic transaction.

The worst case scenario is that I am a crazy person with a stupid idea and everybody who I have run it by (my most intelligent and trustworthy friends) is either dumb enough to believe it or just indulging me. My latest test was using a circular disc (like a hockey puck) to show how we can go from nothing to proving that “God” exists and that I understand everything from the big bang and onwards, or at least a system of explaining it that works both in the micro and macro scale. So far I’ve tried it on two people (one intelligent and thoughtful male, one curious and open minded woman) and both “got it” to the extent of their cognitive capabilities.

By making this post I am breaking my own rules of not spreading this information until I have tested it more thoroughly and I would deeply appreciate if you would either ignore this post after you’ve read it, or send me a PM describing what you can “bring to the table” so to speak if you are interested in participating in TUP.

I happen to have the correct(?) combination of knowledge and cognitive tools to figure out the general aspects of everything that is necessary, but I need specialists.

So far I have the current resources:
1. A private business with some capital
2. An inexperienced but supremely motivated programmer
3. A highly educated and supremely motivated multi lingual assistant
4. Some investment capital
5. A big network of politicians
6. A smaller network of scientists, architects, designers and artists
7. A multi-step plan to take us into a Golden Age of Transhumanism and Infinite Fun

I myself am an expert in a few areas but need more competence in the team.

One of the pieces of the “puzzle” is an model for creating an effective way to optimize communication, problem solving and creating the the hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy (and yes, I do know what 42 means*). Now I am looking for other hitchhikers.
What I need is:
4 expert programmers, of which at least one is an expert at C++
1 or more expert forum builder/programmer/administrator
1 expert organizer/administrator/controller
4 expert hackers/crackers/IT-security

I’d like for anyone who is interested in joining TUP to PM me a CV of their choice together with their MBTI result. Worst case scenario is that you waste your time doing something stupid and/or crazy, best case scenario is that we save the world and bring on a golden age for humanity. Only people interested in saving the world and having fun need apply.

If any moderator find this post to be irrelevant or the consensus on the board is that this is just silly ramblings, feel free to delete the post and my account. If the post seems incoherent or rambling my only excuse is that I’ve been working continuously on this project since before I recovered from the trauma and now I am in desperate need of rest. Sleep deprivation tends to make me more trusting and willing to take risks, so I figured I’d just try to send up a signal in case someone is working on the same thing or wants to help me make this happen quicker. Aggressive idiots and greedy smart people have had their chance to run the world, I think it is time for us humble geniuses to step up and show them how it is done.

If this post has no replies and/or my in-box is empty tomorrow (today really) when I wake up I will delete this post and my account and become a lurker instead.



*Hint for those who don’t: It’s turtles all the way down.
SeekerOfWisdom
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Re: I think I got there first...

Post by SeekerOfWisdom »

Alright, first you should give up your project.

Then, quit the medication and find peace.

I kept it simple so you can't ever construe that as 'bad advice'. You'd prefer to be peaceful and not have anxiety or any of that grief, yes?
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Post by Bobo »

Maybe mwolf got there first, check him out.
mwolf wrote:Enlightened one seeks translator:
No, it isn't humor. Not really.

This seems like the kind of forum where I don't have to tip-toe around with massaging information so that it is pallatible to the average reader, so I'll come right to the point.

First and foremost is that you are communicating through a personality that is dysfunctional. Having suffered brain damage, my consciousness lies buried deep behind a screwed up "front office." The personalities I use to communicate with are not fully within my control, and are significantly affected by emotion. As I have chosen a path of enlightenment through life, I am also incredibly sensitive, in many ways.

This statement is disclosure, to plead for patience from you in communicating with me.


As you can imagine, being trapped inside of a dysfunctional brain doesn't foster a calm mind for the dissemination of the subject of my enlightenment. I have chosen to store my knowledge in the form of logical argument, for sake of ease of communication - less debate necessary that way. I have the entire argument explaining human nature and society, but cannot extract it from my mind and articulate it through these worthless personalities.


I will peruse these forums and look for debates I can participate in and other opportunities to demonstrate aspects of the arguments. I will also try forwarding some of it here, while I can.
mwolf wrote:It is infinitely difficult to deal with this kind of irrationality in the face of what I understand.

Do you not get that I have in my mind the knowledge of how to achieve permanent global peace, to eliminate war, famine, starvation, all that ails humanity. It can be done without any additional resources. It can be done easily. No one has to die or get hurt. No one has to go to jail. No one has to suffer.

And you want me to take a vacation and watch the world be destroyed - not just humanity, but all other mammals (CO2 pollution, if you understood it well enough, will lead to the mass extinction of all mammals, a threshold we will cross and be unable to return from far, far sooner than anyone imagines) - and risk my own life as World War III breaks out, possibly including nuclear weaponry such that I have to "vacation" in Antartica or the Southern Ocean - a prospect I hate because while I have a ship big enough, I despise such rough seas.


No sir, I am HIGHLY motivated to communicate what I have discovered in my enlightenment.

Humanity may be too far gone. In which case, I have devised a plan to solve things without humanity's consent, but most certainly with their participation. I'm just not sure it can be done in time. I am of course referring to remote reprogramming; undoing the damage of so much propaganda with - more propaganda. I am one of few in the world, apparently, that understands, as a whole, the profound effects and efficacy of propaganda, and plan to use that knowledge to teach humanity moral reasoning...if I can find the resources to produce the series.


But, even among geniuses, people have lost touch with humanity it would seem.
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Diebert van Rhijn
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Re: I think I got there first...

Post by Diebert van Rhijn »

Hello Z,
What if I die and it takes years for someone else to get here?
Great peace should follow that thought: someone else will get there just as well. Put yourself out of the equation for a second. It's not about only your activity: trust the mind of others to work it out without your supervision as well. Only this way communication might actually occur, with this recognition of others and not with yourself being in any prolonged structural isolated or privileged condition. Skip the haste and all these rushed giant steps, that would be more likely a fever stemming from your medical history and not with roots in any wisdom.
Ztoneburg
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Re: I think I got there first...

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Diebert van Rhijn wrote:Hello Z,
What if I die and it takes years for someone else to get here?
Great peace should follow that thought: someone else will get there just as well. Put yourself out of the equation for a second. It's not about only your activity: trust the mind of others to work it out without your supervision as well. Only this way communication might actually occur, with this recognition of others and not with yourself being in any prolonged structural isolated or privileged condition. Skip the haste and all these rushed giant steps, that would be more likely a fever stemming from your medical history and not with roots in any wisdom.
I agree and in a way I feel an inner calm I have never felt before. I am however after working with refugee issues as a politician for years acutely aware of the amount of suffering that is going on around us, hence my urgency. If this forum is more about pondering and contemplation I will humbly bow out for now, I am only here fishing for certain competences for my project.
Ztoneburg
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Re: I think I got there first...

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SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Alright, first you should give up your project.
Then, quit the medication and find peace.
I kept it simple so you can't ever construe that as 'bad advice'. You'd prefer to be peaceful and not have anxiety or any of that grief, yes?
I view unwanted medical advice over the internet with skepsis, no offence. I have found peace, health and tranquility, I am only urgent to spread it. And for that I need more collaborators than I have at the moment. My grief is caused by the fact that my wife died in an accident only days after our invention, our metaphorical child, was born, and that she will not live to see it come to fruition.

One project is to create a more optimal infrastructure for constructive communication and issue-resolving via forums, to test certain ideas and inventions. I'm used to moderating forums, but not administrating or building them, hence I need help. I already have some programmers and employees, but lack a forum building expert and an expert at C++.

Payment (if needed, I expect most will be willing to work for free) will be relative to what knowledge, skill and commitment you bring to the table.
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Diebert van Rhijn
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Hi Z, you should contact member Brad Walker (not sure if he's reading often here now) since he's a good programmer and was recently busy developing new types of forum software and even looking for ideas how that should look like. I'd be interested myself but only when the basic ideas and functionality would be openly shared before I'd even have to show interest. No need for secrets: making things up is easy, however building them is the hard part! :)
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Russell Parr
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Diebert van Rhijn wrote:Great peace should follow that thought: someone else will get there just as well.
Unless nature whimsically throws an asteroid toward the earth first without a care :P

It's nice to see someone with the means and the intent wanting to do something positive, though I would like to know more, as Diebert. What do you (Z) mean by "God", for example?

Also, as far as how things work in the micro and macro, are you referring to sacred geometry?
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