GENIUS FORUMS

In any legal, governmental, religious, or economic system (you might want to include propaganda there too and I'm using the word system for lack of a better word) it seems to me that the more corrupt, ill-founded, and incoherent the system is then it will require a greater number and more egregious transgressions against itself in order to sustain itself. Normally, this would compel rational people to re-evaluate the system, but most people seem to do just the opposite. People suggesting we re-evaluate the system are "one of them" or traitors. What do we call that feature that many people seem to have (more than just ignorance or fear, there has to be a more specific term for it) that allows them to transgress the system, and yet still, at the end of the day, remain a part of it without having their "faith" in the system weakened. I don't think it's simply hypocrisy, because, correct me if I'm wrong, but a hypocrite doesn't truly believe what he says. They say it because it helps them in some way and it's purely for their own strategic gain. That they would do what they said they wouldn't do is exactly the point in my view. I wouldn't consider christians to be hypocrites then. I'm sure they do believe in "right and wrong" and they want to do the "right" thing, but do I really need to detail all the terrible things religious people have done while serving their religion? But what just amazes me is that after it's done...MEH. We burned people alive, MEH. We almost wiped out a race of people, MEH. We killed 100,000 plus Iraqi civilians, MEH. We give socialism but only to the rich, MEH. The system marches on. Lynch mobs of the old southern united states might be another example. They would lynch a black person but after it's done those involved still get to be "one of us" and people around them accept it. A more general form of that might be law and order types who desire to transgress the law and give out extra punishment to certain people who in their view have committed especially bad crimes even though you have these two policies that are hard to reconcile, where with a more minor offense then it's "the law is the law" and "tough love", so no lenience there, but when the current laws don't fit their true agenda, they throw out the law, and "get redneck on his ass". I really don't get it. Where does this denial and delusion come from? The system becomes so self-serving, yet not hypocritical by my definition. People do something that contradicts whatever values, beliefs, or principles the system stands for but instead of weakening the system it seems to only strengthen it and it's a tough cycle to break out of. It seems almost like the crazier it is, and the more ridiculous you look by being a part of it, the more you're going to be a part of it.

People don't have much in the way of values in the first place. As long as whatever is happening is agreeable to a group which they belong to, everything is fine. Christians don't believe in anything at all. Believe indicates a clear consciousness of causality, and truth. What religious people(or almost anyone for that matter) mean when they say they "believe" something, is that they are emotionally attached to that thing. Belief for most people is an emotional attachment(in the case of Christians - the imaginary father figure called God, in the case of people who believe in love - a pleasurable emotion, or the concept of perfection, if they are conscious enough) whereas true belief is the exact opposite - a desire to be free of all attachments.

I'm sure there is some emotional attachment going on there, it just blows my mind though. People allow themselves become emotionally attached to the system, and that I guess must have some emotional pay off for them. It's so perverse though because getting that emotional payoff is achieved through contemptible means and you would think that if the person or group had any values that those values would deny the possibility of this. Do you think it's possible that deep down inside some of these people actually hate themselves, possibly due to some sense of shame, maybe because they know that the system is stupid, but feel trapped in it because they worry they may not have the aptitude to raise themselves out of it? It seems at least possible to me that some of the more wacky christians might hate themselves. Just look at fundamentalist christians. Crazy as cat ****. Someone who hates themselves might get some sense of satisfaction out of transgressing the system, a form of self-harm basically.