GENIUS FORUMS

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Meaning?

geddit?

its empty and meaningless that its empty and meaningless.

You provide the meaning.

hot diggety!

Went for a stroll in the rain, it was really nice.

meaning maker!

hot diggety.

Would be well and fine if you weren't asserting meanings "housed" without realizing.

Russell wrote:Both.. again, all things are illusory, including consciousness and its perceived boundaries.

An illusion to what or whom?

seeker,

Would be well and fine if you weren't asserting meanings "housed" without realizing.

seeker to Diebert,

this forum should invest in a welcome mat.

Aha

I've been grasping your points even less than usual lately.

Russell wrote:Both.. again, all things are illusory, including consciousness and its perceived boundaries. Anything defined/taken/carved in the Infinite is ultimately illusory, as you alluded to with your example of the infinite money split 5 ways. Dividing the Infinite into finites can't be done in any ultimately meaningful way, so anytime it appears to have been done, rest assured it is just a mirage of Nature.

If "the totality" is meaningful ,then it has to be a concept otherwise it would not be related to its meaning.That means consciousness is more real than the totality.

I've been grasping your points even less than usual lately.

a welcome mat goes on the front porch.

always/ already thinking 'house'.

your drift in posting is along the lines of:

sensorium = house

gotta get outa the house, where's the exit.
I'll just sit in the chair all day and close my eyes.
rescue remedy.

Talking about a forum, not a 'seat' from which consciousness arises.

Don't need to get anywhere, and the house your imagining which gets on the bus doesn't exist. You're handing over 'too much existence' to appearances, that's the belief which leads people to spend their lives working,worrying, hastening, as if there is really anything to gain or lose, achieve or learn.

You are yet to provide a single sentence as to what the experience 'existence' is dependent on. The closest you've come is mentioning it is always a reflection/representation without hinting as to how you came about this idea or if the 'senses perceive' via body or whatever else.

Talking about a forum

yeah, I know, a welcome mat out the front with 'house' implied.
the always/already thinking of being in something.
embodied
embedded
enactive,
affective
extended

house of god
heaven and hell as house or real estate.

what does 'dwell in the infinite' look like?

chikoka wrote:If "the totality" is meaningful ,then it has to be a concept otherwise it would not be related to its meaning.That means consciousness is more real than the totality.

Meaning making is only possible within the realm of consciousness. Since the Totality encompasses consciousness, it is beyond meaning.

Dennis Mahar wrote: yeah, I know, a welcome mat out the front with 'house' implied.
the always/already thinking of being in something.
embodied
embedded
enactive,
affective
extended

Interesting point which I can see the truth to, yet that only shows a general tendency toward immersion.

Dennis Mahar wrote: house of god
heaven and hell as house or real estate.

what does 'dwell in the infinite' look like?

A question, new.
Because it is so general, the best I can say is it looks like a stepped-back perspective. Unfocused (unattached to particulars or identity)

Russell wrote:

chikoka wrote:If "the totality" is meaningful ,then it has to be a concept otherwise it would not be related to its meaning.That means consciousness is more real than the totality.

Meaning making is only possible within the realm of consciousness. Since the Totality encompasses consciousness, it is beyond meaning.

Beyond meaning is just a fancy way of saying its meaningless.
Why cant objective reality be also beyond meaning?
It encompasses consciousness too doesnt it?

A question, new.
Because it is so general, the best I can say is it looks like a stepped-back perspective. Unfocused (unattached to particulars or identity)

You're always/already dwelling in the infinite Sir.

The universe is not a thing.

It exists surely but not in its own essence.
lacks inherent existence.

chikoka wrote:Beyond meaning is just a fancy way of saying its meaningless.

It's also more accurate in the context of my statement. The Infinite is transcendent of our own meaning making.

Why cant objective reality be also beyond meaning?
It encompasses consciousness too doesnt it?

Objective Reality, the Infinite, the Totality, eternal causation, God, etc., it's all the same in the end.

Dennis Mahar wrote:

A question, new.
Because it is so general, the best I can say is it looks like a stepped-back perspective. Unfocused (unattached to particulars or identity)

You're always/already dwelling in the infinite Sir.

The universe is not a thing.

It exists surely but not in its own essence.
lacks inherent existence.

Dennis, darling. You are contradicting yourself.

Isn't it precisely all things that lack inherent existence?

what did I thing darling?

Truly, the self-affirming mental calisthenics around here are quite something to watch; spectacular, even.

Pin someone down with logic and watch them go BOING! Somersaults and triple cartwheels in mid-air!

Quite the trick of detonation in a thinking man’s minefield… :)

I was attempting to unthing which is ordinarily thinged.

give us a break.

it seems one is up shit creek without a paddle in the house of language where identities a thinged and appear as fixed.

Dennis Mahar wrote:
You're always/already dwelling in the infinite Sir.

The universe is not a thing.

It exists surely but not in its own essence.
lacks inherent existence.

Only something seen, the appearances exist, not the 'things'.
Yet the question was, what is the continuation/existence of appearance itself dependent upon?

Dennis wrote:

give us a break.

Are you pleading for mercy? Consider mine the kiss of death.

In one's friend one shall have one's best enemy—Nietzsche

I was attempting to unthing which is ordinarily thinged.

To make a distinction between an objective thing and an abstract thing?

it seems one is up shit creek without a paddle in the house of language where identities a thinged and appear as fixed.

Not really. For instance, an abstract thing is, by definition, a thing of fixed meaning, no?

We wouldn't have to talk about this shit if there weren't 2 perspectives to operate out of.

The universe exists as a thing in itself independently.

The Universe is supported by a myriad array of causes/conditions therefore is not a thing in itself.

either way is an act of consciousness.