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SeekerOfWisdom wrote:
A fruit can't be aware it's a fruit.

The fruit is actually you. When you know what you are....you aren't. lol

Yes, the appearance, the fruit, is "me" John, but John isn't aware john is an appearance, one question remains, what is aware of illusion?

If you eat ordinary nuts, you will hunger.

But if you eat from my bag of nuts, those nuts will spring up within you into eternal life.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Yes, the appearance, the fruit, is "me" John, but John isn't aware john is an appearance, one question remains, what is aware of illusion?

No, whatever the appearance is....it's empty. Awareness is aware of the illusion of appearance.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:If you eat ordinary nuts, you will hunger.

But if you eat from my bag of nuts, those nuts will spring up within you into eternal life.

FOL !

(Farting out Loud !)

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You have awareness yes?

Yet all appearances, or, all "seen's", come from the same seed, the same awareness that is aware that your experiences are only appearances.

Does 'consciousness' have absolute existence?

SeekerOfWisdom wrote::\

You have awareness yes?

Only when I fart.

Consciousness = combination of experiences. Including mental awareness bla bla,.. experiences, we all know em.

Do experiences exist as much as anything could ever exist? Absolutely

Do these appearances and objects have any existence outside of experience? Absolutely not/an abstract conception as there is no evidence for anything except for appearances/experiences.

Ok, sweet, so far we have that the universe, exists as an "illusion" of experience, those illusions and appearances exist, but of course not independently from each other, meaning there are no parts separable in these projections, for example the child is a projection of parents, parents also being projections, appearances, etc.

The problem lies in what appears to be a causal chain of events.

(Que to remove your thoughts now)

This problem lies in the illusion of time, and in the very few people have ever got this illusion of change.

ok so you have awareness kunga, henceforth it has been conclusively evidenced and proven..... there exists within the scope of what we know "is", awareness.

In other words, the universe has produced awareness, tao has produced awareness, something, doesn't matter what, has awareness.

This something is the same thing.

One..

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:One..

fart

"If they did not laugh it would not be the Tao."

"They shall see but shall not perceive"

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:"If they did not laugh it would not be the Tao."

Laughter, coughing, sneezing, farting........natural....egoless...... _/\_ xoxox goodnite !!!

Yes kunga he meant literally laughter for all situations :p

Kunga wrote:...coughing, sneezing, farting........natural....egoless......

Actually, the list goes like coughing, sneezing, bloating, ego..... irratations.... wild reactions.

Eat proper and ventilate right: no need anymore for such reactions.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:It's a contradictory statement not a false one.

The only things "false" in each and every falseness is the contradiction. Look John, in the end it sounds like you've just discovered the awesomeness of nihilism and you're using it like a hammer in search of nails. Everything becoming nail to the hammer. You need to get over this. You only scratched the surface but you're crowing about it like a cockerel. Nobody here is disagreeing with your views but with the various obvious enchantments and logical cock-ups.

Ego/

When I was a kid. Krishna/Krishna.

"you're using it like a hammer in search of nails."

That's exactly what I'm doing, although different to nihilism methinks, I'm over stressing the point until it is realized, or until they are awake: "Master is awake and he lives forever", they all sprouted the same eternal life mumbo jumbo for a reason you know, on here, like almost everywhere that union has not been fully realized, there is the lack of the awareness that your thoughts are the thoughts of one intelligent thing and that all interaction is this minds interaction with itself, that all so called physical places are illusions of consciousness, that what's aware of diebert, is the same thing aware of everything and that there is no distinction between this thing and you. Translates to "ye are gods" or more specifically, you are the timeless awareness and source of all experience/"the universe" and that these experiences are subject to your whim. Each individual form is egoless because only one is aware of all, all these forms are nothing more than projections made up of changing sensations of the "waters", so are we disagreeing yet or not? If not, why keep denying what you are? "The mind does not have the limits you think it has" Diebert

Until I hear a full confession you get, in the full sense of the words, that we are talking to myself right now, I won't be convinced you get anything. Forget knowledge and what is left? Your eternal awareness, no doubt. May they become completely one, amen. ;)

Start talking like your talking to yourself, because you are, aka, "See the world as yourself"

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Forget knowledge and what is left? Your eternal awareness, no doubt.

Nothing lasts forever, least of all awareness. But you have to believe what you need to believe, without doubt of course. It's your own self being so much in awe of its own power of perception that the conclusion arose that it has to be everything, everywhere and everlasting. The next step however is to realize how empty it really is. Your eternal awareness does not exist. What a kicker!

John's doesn't, John doesn't even have awareness of it's own, it's what's aware of John and Diebert that is eternal :) Death is nothing but an illusion my friend, as is rebirth

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:John's doesn't, John doesn't even have awareness of it's own, it's what's aware of John and Diebert that is eternal :) Death is nothing but an illusion my friend, as is rebirth

Life is an illusion as well. Life is nothing but a concept that represents waking consciousness, with unconsciousness being death. One cannot exist without the other, yet neither ultimately exists, because they are concepts.

I agree, none the less, awareness is, experience is, awareness doesn't die and cannot be effected by illusion. The ability to experience is not effected by the experiences. An illusion cannot be aware it is only an illusion. When we sleep we return to the same place, and when we wake that is only re-attachment to form, the same thing aware of me is aware of you, you are that awareness, dreamer.

Awareness is also an illusion. You are trying to ignore the big picture here.. if something has anything to do with "death" (an illusion), that makes it an object that exists in contrast and congruence with the rest of observational reality, which makes it an illusion.

What next will you say, we were "aware" before we were born? What benefit is there in harboring such pointless alternate definitions of consciousness?