A senseless mind

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A senseless mind

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Kevin Solway wrote:
Kevin: Thoughts are real. There is logically no way to disprove that I am having thoughts.
How could you ever of had anything to think about if it wasnt for your senses?
Kevin: But in the case of physical sensations, it may be discovered that these are entirely created within the mind, and have nothing to do with physical senses at all, as I may not have any physical senses.
So your saying that instead of having a mind combined with sense, there is a possibility that ones mind can become (or always was) senseless?
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What is the lesson in the following passage?
A student of philosophy, eager to display his powers of argument, approached Diogenes, introduced himself and said, "If it pleases you, sir, let me prove to you that there is no such thing as motion." Whereupon Diogenes immediately got up and left.
The lesson is, motion and change is something you 'sense'.

Sense informs thought. When thought informs sense, you become insane.

The intellect can come up with reasons for why motion and change doesnt exist, but that doesnt mean one should not value ones sense.
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When you no longer can sense change, common sense (thought informed by sense) is foreshadowed by doubt.
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Sue had something to say about this problem between thought and sense.

Here is what she said:
Cory asked: How is sensation/feeling anymore imagined then our thoughts?

Kevin answered: Thoughts are real. There is logically no way to disprove that I am having thoughts. But in the case of physical sensations, it may be discovered that these are entirely created within the mind, and have nothing to do with physical senses at all, as I may not have any physical senses.


Sue: You get an understanding of this point when you observe people with mental illness. They suffer greatly from being manacled, then stabbed and beaten – yet there are no outward signs of this torture, apart from the anxiety they experience.
This example you have given here Sue points to the probability that one becomes schitzophrenic when ones thought informs ones sense, rather than when ones sense informs ones thought.


Sue: No evidence of bruising, gashes, wounds or blood – yet the pain and agony they feel is very real to them. When they become more mentally healthy they see that the suffering they experienced came directly from their own minds.
This pain and agony is created by their thoughts, their imagination. This example only shows how badly thought can put ones senses into disorder. It is thought that is to blame here, not sense.
Sue: Even if one is truly bloodied and bruised by torture, the pain and discomfort is only ever known mentally – and therefore must be considered suspect.
I don't see what you would gain from doubting pain. Seems like insanity to me. If our senses and our mind are functioning the way they should, then our senses are informing our thoughts.

When it works the other way around, we become insane.
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