GENIUS FORUMS

Pam,
You've got yourself up there in the dock to be questioned, to be cross examined and in that way you are enabled to bring forth your Story.
Forgive me, but it does show up as reading the Company Prospectus at present.

What about Pam, the projected entity in the World who deals her way thru' duality by ascribing 'meaning' to things.

That Pam that has her fave shoes and coat, the little black number, a fave coffee cup, a No.1 on the speed dial,....the Pam that shows up like a force of habit in order to survive, the Pam that 'hides' in things as camouflage..

Bear witness to that.

Why, because you believe I should? I live by no man's expectations of me.

I will not bear witness to my projections on boards such as these, for the purpose of boards such as these is, from my comprehension, is to help one another to transcend our projections. Why throw gasoline on a fire one wants to put out?

How about just fuck off then..

unlocking the fantasy.

everything jufa says= everything jufa says.

what's there that's always there that's not the words?

unlocking the fantasy.

That is between my God and me.

everything jufa says= everything jufa says.

I do not know what this means.

what's there that's always there that's not the words?

My pure awareness of me.

I do not know what this means.

It's an attachment. A belief in a storyline.
A form, that is only in and of itself.
An object. like a work of art that hangs in infinite spaciousness.
It has some beauty but is cumbersome and gruelling to wade thru'.
It arises out of a desire to know as a possible answer. It's meant to unlock a mystery but doesn't.
It's one of an infinite number of attempts to unlock a mystery.

How many roads must a man walk down?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind.

It's probably meant to get into the pockets of the wayward seekers in the way that
these things have a habit of doing.

It's a part of the play of consciousness and as such is empty and meaningless except when someone attaches to it...some seeker has to get a hold of it and run about wielding it like a sword to breathe some life into it...give it meaning...no seeker means it disappears.

What appears and disappears isn't reality.
Existence exists without it.

What is here that is always here that answers appear to?

Dennis: What appears and disappears isn't reality.
Existence exists without it.

Then why do you desire to live in that which is not the reality of you:

Dennis: What about Pam, the projected entity in the World who deals her way thru' duality by ascribing 'meaning' to things.

That Pam that has her fave shoes and coat, the little black number, a fave coffee cup, a No.1 on the speed dial,....the Pam that shows up like a force of habit in order to survive, the Pam that 'hides' in things as camouflage..

Bear witness to that.

Pam:

Then why do you desire to live in that which is not the reality of you:

Can you see the 'something matters' in that statement, can you see the egoic concern in it?

When they draw those newspaper cartoons the little characters have a bubble next to their mouths with what they want to say inside the bubble.

When you say what you say Pam it exists only in a thought bubble, only in that context, in and of itself. It's a meaning bubble. It only equals itself. A=A. An identity,object,form.

You can pick up everything Jufa says and put it inside a bubble and notice it cancel itself out.
Jufa is blowing bubbles.

Try and step out of Jufa's 'adventure playground' for monkey mind and see there are no platforms at all, never was. Only in the imagination of an egoic concern.

The mind is like a screen of awareness that meaning bubbles float across. Being awake is being awake to what meaning is.

Let's say a memory floats across, a memory for ego holds a 'sting' in it.

Having some degree of awake, it's different.

The memory passes thru' but has a hollow ring to it. It's like if you kick a can in the street and it bounces on its end, there's a Clunk!..there's an immediate knowing that the can is empty from the sound of Clunk!
The awake mind has 'knowing'.

So, all these concepts, conceptual frameworks existing in and only in their respective little meaning bubbles that have an unmistakeable stamp of egoic concern..

Well, Pam, they're just like empty cans getting kicked around in the street.
Clunk!
Clunk!
Clunk!

Try and grok the egoic concern and the Clunk! of empty...that's why they call it empty.

Open up to the immensity and experience the knowing smile that is accessed in the absence of meaning.

Dennis, until you have read jufa's book, word for word, and analyzed it with me, everything you say of jufa and of me to me, is but pure speculation on your part. I do not impose my speculations of your relationship with the QRS on you; why do you continue to impose your speculations of my relationship with jufa on me? Until you can leave this pam and jufa dream of yours behind, we can go no further with our dialogue.

Dennis, until you have read jufa's book, word for word, and analyzed it with me,

What happens by doing that Pam?
What effect is contrived by doing that?

Did you access Jufa by way of a workshop, by reading the book?
How tenacious you are.
Give us some background story of jufa and pam, what's the harm in it?...we can go to the main course later..
It's hard to know how to plug into you guys.
Hang out a bit.

Please forgive my ignorance, but what is jufa's book entitled?

cousinball: http://theillusionofgod.com

Thanks for the link, Pam. BTW: it is "cousinbasil," not "cousinball."

Somewhere I believe you alluded to the fact that it is impossible to have spiritually original thoughts. I agree with that. This link amply exemplifies that. I do believe it is possible to have spiritually clear thoughts. Mine are precious to me - I share them when and if I think I can. If the Illusion of God helps anyone to clarify theirs, then I think that is wonderful. Personally, my eyes glazed over after a few paragraphs, but perhaps that is just me. I found it to be vaguely exhorting in the same way a TV commercial is when I am trying to ignore it. The concepts are all in there, I am quite sure: birth, death, consciousness, god, science, myth, spirit, life, infinity, reality, etc. I feel no great need to assemble these concepts in the manner jufa seems to. I am grateful for things like that.

movingalways wrote: Since thought is a continuum of I am interpretation, it is not possible for man to stand still on one platform of I-dentification. Man is always being nudged or pricked of his conscience of consciousness to expand beyond this moment of I am interpretation unto the next moment of I am interpretation.

Sounds like a contradiction. How can thought be a continuum if man is always being nudged or pricked of his conscience of consciousness to expand beyond this moment of I am interpretation unto the next moment of I am interpretation.

For if identification with some subject were a continuous process, then man would be focused on his subconscious activity, which is exactly the opposite of a discrete process, which is not.

pegasus wrote:

movingalways wrote: Since thought is a continuum of I am interpretation, it is not possible for man to stand still on one platform of I-dentification. Man is always being nudged or pricked of his conscience of consciousness to expand beyond this moment of I am interpretation unto the next moment of I am interpretation.

Sounds like a contradiction. How can thought be a continuum if man is always being nudged or pricked of his conscience of consciousness to expand beyond this moment of I am interpretation unto the next moment of I am interpretation.

The thought continuum is not separate in any way from its laws, principles and patterns of thinking of Itself. The touch of a thought upon a thought of the conscience of the man in this realm of sense, is experienced as 'a call' to transcend one's dual interpretations. To see what I am saying, you must be willing to set aside your literal translation of my words and enter into the spirit of be the living metaphor that you [already] are.

For if identification with some subject were a continuous process, then man would be focused on his subconscious activity, which is exactly the opposite of a discrete process, which is not.

I do not know what you are pointing to here, please explain.

cousinbasil wrote:Thanks for the link, Pam. BTW: it is "cousinbasil," not "cousinball."

Somewhere I believe you alluded to the fact that it is impossible to have spiritually original thoughts. I agree with that. This link amply exemplifies that. I do believe it is possible to have spiritually clear thoughts. Mine are precious to me - I share them when and if I think I can. If the Illusion of God helps anyone to clarify theirs, then I think that is wonderful. Personally, my eyes glazed over after a few paragraphs, but perhaps that is just me. I found it to be vaguely exhorting in the same way a TV commercial is when I am trying to ignore it. The concepts are all in there, I am quite sure: birth, death, consciousness, god, science, myth, spirit, life, infinity, reality, etc. I feel no great need to assemble these concepts in the manner jufa seems to. I am grateful for things like that.

cousinbasil :-), if there is no need, there is no need. We are given the will to accept or reject idea, which when done without attitude, which is what you present here, is a thing born of mercy. I am grateful for things like that :-)

movingalways wrote:

For if identification with some subject were a continuous process, then man would be focused on his subconscious activity, which is exactly the opposite of a discrete process, which is not.

I do not know what you are pointing to here, please explain.

You aren't differentiating between a continuous process and a discrete one. If you say that thought is a continuum, then man cannot be pricked or nudged from one moment onto another (if thought and consciousness are one) because this implies a discrete process (a jump from one moment onto the other). It would be better to say that man is modelling his thoughts based on interpretations or one-to-one correspondences.