GENIUS FORUMS

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-Carl G-
Ron Paul on the appearance that Dems and Repubs actually are political opposites today in the U.S., said before the last election:

Pretending that a true difference exists between the two major candidates is a charade of great proportion. Many who help to perpetuate this myth are frequently unaware of what they are doing and believe that significant differences actually do exist. Indeed, on small points there is the appearance of a difference. The real issues, however, are buried in a barrage of miscellaneous nonsense and endless pontifications by robotic pundits hired to perpetuate the myth of a campaign of substance.

-tomas-
Barack Obama is the consummate capitalist. Karl Marx (and Chairman Mao) would be offering their daughters for marriage ;-)

-Ron-
The truth is that our two-party system offers no real choice. The real goal of the campaign is to distract people from considering the real issues.

-tomas-
Yup, one of the main reasons why I got into political consultancy ;-)

-Ron-
Influential forces, the media, the government, the privileged corporations and moneyed interests see to it that both party’s candidates are acceptable, regardless of the outcome, since they will still be in charge. It’s been that way for a long time. George Wallace was not the first to recognize that there’s “not a dime’s worth of difference” between the two parties.

-tomas-
And Abraham Lincoln performed his role to perfection ;-)

-Ron-
The two parties and their candidates have no real disagreements on foreign policy, monetary policy, privacy issues, or the welfare state. They both are willing to abuse the Rule of Law and ignore constitutional restraint on Executive Powers. Neither major party champions free markets and private-property ownership.

-tomas-
Look at Detroit, it's the future of major American cities. Democrats have run that city to the ground. Bulldozers .. hunting season is open ;-)

-Ron-
The system we have today allows a President to be elected by as little as 32% of the American people, with half of those merely voting for the “lesser of two evils.” Therefore, as little as 16% actually vote for a president. No wonder when things go wrong, anger explodes.

-tomas-
Sure, Kucinich, Nader, Buchanan, Perot are players in that they turn a tight state election to the other party and victory in the Electoral College.

-Paul-
We cannot expect withdrawal of troops from Iraq or the Middle East with either of the two major candidates. Expect continued involvement in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Georgia. Neither hints of a non-interventionist foreign policy. Do not expect to hear the rejection of the policy of supporting the American world empire.

-tomas-
After Brother Barack collects his Nobel Peace Prize, the 40,000+ troops will be deployed to Afghanistan (with dividing up Pakistan is the real goal) and the spoils system will reign once again! Thanks to Canadian corporations pushing their House of Windsor-dominated Harper government to send more fighting troops.
-Ron-
There will be no emphasis in protecting privacy and civil liberties and the constant surveillance of the American people.

-tomas-
Not after Obama's Commerce Department ceded control of the Internet to the United Nations on September 30th. George Bush resisted the move but Barack knows best ;-)

-Ron-
Do not expect any serious attempt to curtail the rapidly expanding national debt.

-tomas-
Obama's administration is set to double the debt, expect health care to be triple the cost estimates. China & Japan are moving (in collusion) with the Australian government to dump the dollar and go with their own regional currencies. Watch the Yuan start to creep up in value this next week.

-Ron-
And certainly, there will be no hint of addressing the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationship with big banks and international corporations and the politicians.

-tomas-
Ron Paul's bill "Audit the Fed" bill has already been stripped of its teeth, it awaiting a set of dentures from Barack's butt-buddies in the Senate. Yes, the dentures will be Made In China :-/

PS - To Carl, Brother Ron Paul is also a FreeMason :-)

Tomas (the tank)
Prince of Jerusalem
16 Degree
Scottish Rite FreeMason

VietNam veteran - 1971

I always enjoy Ron Paul dialogues, refreshingly honest, he doesn't hide what he believes, totally transparent in speech. I don't agree with all his positions, but at least you know what he believes. You don't see any circumventing, or toning down the language by making it more inviting to all. Obama is quite good at that, but if you become too diplomatic, you lose the meaning in what you are trying to say - precisely what most politicians intend to do...

The only benefit with Obama is that he may get bills passed that would never otherwise be passed. Many leaders could never get the present health care reform bill passed. It funny how many Americans are so scared of socialized medicine, when the truth is the the present bill is not moving in that direction at all, it just wants more fairness for lower income families who cannot afford health care insurance. Socialized medicine would entail banning insurance companies from the health care industry altogether, and taking it over.

The present bill is just reforming the present privatized system to make it more accessible for the lower middle class.

its funny that American fear of socialized medicine is unjustifed because if you look at Canada, Most of Europe, Australia (I believe?) are all socialized, and things aren't that bad...there are cons, but nothing to fear with your life...

Humans are so easily hysterical over non-issues.

And you notice the hysteria is coming from the conservatives. Something biological making them this way?

Cory,

And you notice the hysteria is coming from the conservatives. Something biological making them this way?

yeah, it is. The liberals are much more reasonable. Its funny because Obama almost got himself in trouble when he expressed his real views, he said something like, when times get tough, many Americans tend to cling onto guns and religion. There was a huge public outcry, and he went public and corrected himself by suggesting that the long tradition of guns and religion help people and and are an asset to our great nation, (bullshit), it was a dig at the irrationality he observed. Obama is a lot more discriminating than people believe, but I think he knows he has to bring both parties together if he is to get any of his agenda passed. Obama censors himself constantly.

And you are correct, the conservatives tend to be the worst ones. Relgious superstition and blind fear of change, the unknown or conspiracy seem to go hand and hand. Perhaps because both involve the over-activation of the limbic system, with very little reflection or activity in the prefrontal cortex. The prefrontal cortex seems to be one of the key areas in the top front of the brain (frontal cortex0 that is responsible for higher thinking, filtering, decision making, reflection, reasoning, and so on.

superstitious thinking probably activates the same area in the limbic system, and reinforces that type of emotional over-activation for other issues such as conspiracy, fear of government, fear of change, fear of ones own shadow and so on...

Glen beck is a classic example of this type. And you describe it very well in your opening....he breaks into tears constantly on his show, and he has a lot of followers who are addicted to that sort of cognition as well. The Jon Stewart link you posted is a classic example of beck at his best.

as I've said, if I had to come up with a biological theory, perhaps irrational humans exhibit more activation in the limbic system, with less activity occurring afterwards in the frontal and prefrontal cortex, while rational individuals probably have more activation in the frontal and prefrontal cortex, with less activation in the limbic system overall..

probably more complicated than that, but perhaps this is one key correlation....

Its funny because I read that teenage boy's frontal cortex doesn't finish maturing until they are in their mid twenties, they think more from their limbic systems especially when they are very young, with less higher processing in the frontal and prefrontal cortex afterwards. This may explain why young boys are more impulsive, huge risk-takers, have no sense of caution and danger, and are socially retarded in many ways.

I think back to some of the things that I did when I was young - and I wonder how I survived. Eg:// bridge jumping, running and jumping off of the roof of a water pumping building, drunken excursions and so on....

fun for boys seems to be doing something where you almost die, and then laughing, yet priding yourself afterwards.

Very well said.

I think people on the left can get histrionic too (like you said, they have over-arousal of the more primitive parts of the brain) , and when this happens, they are usually empathizing too much, they get all dramatic - fixated on cute little animals, become tree huggers, protesting in indignation and fear against controversial attempts at applied science, they might obsess over particular minorities, or they might just become navel gazers, introspecting themselves to death, swallowed up in regret about past mistakes, falling prey to emotional misanthropy, or they might get too carried away in new age spirituality, etc.

"Bleeding heart liberals" is what these types are called.


However, interestingly, it seems like only a minority of conservatives are half smart and respectable, I'd say only a minority of people on the left are big idiots.

Ryan Rudolph wrote:I think back to some of the things that I did when I was young - and I wonder how I survived. Eg:// bridge jumping, running and jumping off of the roof of a water pumping building, drunken excursions and so on....

fun for boys seems to be doing something where you almost die, and then laughing, yet priding yourself afterwards.

I remember back when I was around 16 or 17 years old, me and a couple of my friends would get our selves a case of beer for the sole purpose of drinking and driving on these narrow and winding dirt roads as fast as we could. There's two times I'm certain in which we could have easily died or been severely injured. It's crazy how I used to have so much fun doing such stupid shit. My 16 year old self would probably call my 25 year old self a big pussy.

There's a lot of talk going on right now about trying teens as adults in court after three teens, ages 15 and 16, were charged as adults for setting another teen on fire in this case here. Obviously they need to be punished and be made to understand the consequences of their actions, but looking back on how I was when I was that age, I do sympathize with them, and I see no upside in trying teens as adults and having them put away for life with no second chance.

Parents are pretty dumb for giving 16-18 year old's cars to drive. I don't even know if male teens should be allowed licenses, to be honest. If I had a kid, his first car would be the one he pays for with his own money. And I wouldn't give him any money.

*I'm gonna tell a quick story, and this may seem like I'm trying to start a pissing contest here about who has the craziest experiences, but I honestly find this story really fun to tell, I just thought you guys might get a laugh out of this one*

I had a car pretty much given to me at 16, and so did a lot of my friends, and we all drank and drive. There's lots of crazy stories, but there was this one incident, my friend was on 151 (we all were, actually), he was driving, and I was in the back seat, and we were all trying to get him to slow down and turn around because we had long passed the house we were supposed to go to, and just after he just crossed the overpass, it finally clicked in that he had to turn around, and so he suddenly cut the wheel, and did a complete u turn *while accelerating* but when we got turned around we were heading straight for the right hand railing of the overpass, and I'm not lying, he literally drove the car right up the guard rail and we went air-borne. I don't pretend to understand the physics of how it occurred (why didn't the tires hook onto the rail and flip us?). To make it more amusing, there was a car suddenly coming toward us, they were just making their way onto the overpass, and I can't imagine what they were thinking, because all they would have seen was our car coming at them, air-borne. It was night, so they would have seen mostly our headlights.

But it must have been kind of funny looking ahead to see a car launch itself off a guard rail like that, coming at you.

We could have went over the side of the overpass, and down a long, steep rocky hill side. We would have rolled down the hill for about 100feet. Or we could have hit this car that was coming at us. But instead we managed to land back on the overpass on the right side of the road, and after the car stabilized, he was still laughing hysterically (I had mixed feelings to say the least), and he was still pretty much flooring it as if nothing happened.

He ended up missing the driveway we were aiming for again, he actually turned too early this time, and he ended up going up some obscure road (toward the pump house, Ryan! We were trying to get to the Swartz's house), and he just drove and drove down this road, and eventually we were on a dirt road, and it got narrower and narrower, with bigger and bigger rocks, and he just did not give a fuck at all what was happening to the bottom of his car. Just brutal.

We got to a dead end, and we argued and fought with him to give up his keys and let one of us drive. But he got violent...so we let him drive again.

And believe it or not, he actually managed to get us to the party (or better, we talked in his ear really loud and very slowly in order to get him to navigate half-sensibly).

But a kinda funny part was that the moment he parked his car in their driveway, he puked in his lap and passed out right there in his car. And we just left him there and had a pretty fun time.

I never seen anyone lose his mind so bad on alcohol. That was one of the worst cases I've ever seen. And ever since he sobered up (took a couple months, j/k), he was actually not proud of this at all, and got angry when any of us brought this up, which we of course did all the time.

I look back on that now with a faint touch of horror and shame, but at the same time, I still can't help but laugh.

Schopenhauer said something along the lines of a man not fully maturing emotionally until he was 28. I don't find this notion outrageous at all.

Cory Duchesne wrote:*I'm gonna tell a quick story, and this may seem like I'm trying to start a pissing contest here about who has the craziest experiences, but I honestly find this story really fun to tell, I just thought you guys might get a laugh out of this one*

Nah I love hearing and telling these kinds of stories. I'll elaborate on mine a little bit... :)

One of the instances where we almost died on the dirt roads was in the winter at night, and snow was completely covering the road. My friend was driving up this hill as fast as he could and once we passed the top of the hill and started heading down, a car pulled out of the drive way at the very bottom of the hill. My friend slammed on the breaks but it did absolutely nothing to stop the momentum of the car. We were heading straight for the other car at about 50 mph. Trees lined the side of the road so our only option was to hit the car or hit a tree, neither of which would have turned out good. It was a strange thing because normally in these scenarios it's kind of a split second scenario where you don't actually see the disaster coming, but we slid down this hill for a good 5 seconds contemplating how bad things were about to get. I actually remember putting my feet up on the dash board and pressing my back against my seat to keep myself from flying through the windshield because I didn't have a seat belt on. lol. Luckily, as we were sliding down the hill, the people in the car at the base of the hill seen us coming at them and managed to pull their vehicle back into the drive way just in time for us to miss it. It was intense to say the least.

lol :D

I actually remember putting my feet up on the dash board and pressing my back against my seat to keep myself from flying through the windshield because I didn't have a seat belt on.

Good thinking. After I read this sentence, I was kinda hoping you actually crashed just to see how well your technique served you. :)

I never got in any crashes, but I deserved one.

Another really scary moment....we drove an aluminum boat with a pretty fast motor out to an island to get drunk. Well, we succeeded in our aims, but late into the night my friend wanted to go for a boat ride. I didn't anticipate that he would want to drive the boat so far out in the ocean and so fast. But he did. He didn't know there were a few odd aluminum buoys, not lit up scattered around the harbor. They were quite big and solid. He would not listen to me once we got going, the motor was loud and he was really drunk and the waves were pretty big, we were going slightly air borne off the waves, and he was just going as fast as he could doing donuts in the pitch dark. It would have been pretty easy and somewhat probable to either tip, or just nail one of the bouys and flip. To make things more shameful, we had girls in the boat with us. I was actually quite distressed, mainly because of the girls. Imagine we flipped and they drowned? My life would have been practically ruined. Anyway, we got back to shore and I never quite trusted this guy the same ever again. Actually, this progressive lack of trust occurred almost after every adventure with him. Each time we got really drunk, I was a bit more alarmed at his personality. I mean I was bad, but this guy was nuts. But at the same time, I would find it funny and it was a source of prideful story telling.

Cory Duchesne wrote:Good thinking. After I read this sentence, I was kinda hoping you actually crashed just to see how well your technique served you. :)

haha thanks! Much like when my friend hit the brakes, it probably wouldn't have done a damn thing to prevent my body from flying straight ahead!

Cory Duchesne wrote:I was actually quite distressed, mainly because of the girls. Imagine we flipped and they drowned? My life would have been practically ruined.

Yeah I know what you're saying. I mean, I used to be all about catching an adrenaline rush doing stupid shit, but I never intended to place myself or anyone else in a life threatening situation.

I was actually really pissed off at my friend when he tried to scare a couple of my younger sister's guy friends while giving them a ride home after we all got drunk. He did this by passing up the car in front of us on a two lane overpass at night, and there was no way we could see if another car was coming at us in the other lane. Luckily there wasn't a car in the on-coming lane and he was able to pass the car, but as soon as we did they started following us. So he sped up to the next light, got in the right turn lane, and once traffic was clear he ran the red light and did a U turn in the middle of the intersection and started going back the way we came. We wanted to hurry up and get off the road so we kicked my sister's friends out of the car without taking them home, and as we were yelling at them to get out these kids were practically in tears. We were 16, they were about 13. I still can't believe my dumb ass friend pulled a stunt like that!

Ugh, yeah, it was just nuts back then. There's definitely a pretty strong "will to death" during those years, isn't there.

lol, these are all funny, I cannot resist story-time.

In junior high, I hung out with a group of friends who were really into dirt bikes, I mainly hung out with the group because I found the leader rather amusing and comical. His name was Jonathan Nixon. I learned the mechanics of dirt bikes merely as a means to hang out with this group once and awhile, and I actually bought a dirt bike myself because their dirt biking stories always intrigued me, they were a source of a laugh, and I thought I would participate. So a week before I bought my bike, Jonathan invited me over, and I was excited to experience the life of dirt biking that these boys had raved about. Jonathan's father was a licensed motorcycle mechanic, and there had been bikes in his family since he was a small child, so Johnathan was given dirt bikes to drive at a very young age, he claimed to have driven a 50cc bike at the age of 4. I think he was exaggerating. He also used to joke that he drove out of his mother's womb on a dirt bike. His dad would allow him to drive his own bikes, which is insane because they were twice the size of Jonathan. The two of us were in grade nine, and he was permitted to drive his dad's DT175! And when his dad wasn't home without any supervision! To any of you who don't know how powerful this bike is - it is a street and trail bike so it can be licensed on the road, its also a 2-stroke with a powerband build in. We took the bike out on old abandoned railway tracks behind his house, (but the railway tracks were removed) and he gave me an oversized helmet that kept blowing around backwards. As he geared from 4th to 5th, I knew we must of been going at least 80 km/hr. There were tears in my eyes from the wind, and I honestly thought I was going to die. I begged Jonathan to stop the bike, but he just kept laughing and going faster. And then we approached an old railway bridge, and for some reason there were no guard rails on the side, only one tie going lengthwise. Jonathan began to slow down, and I was relieved because I thought I was going to finally get off and touch ground. But this was Jonathan's moment of truth - this was the moment that he was waiting for - to prove his legendary status of bike god to me once and for all. He told me to hold on tight and he drove very close to the edge, and then he told me to look over the side - and as I looked over the side, he began to laugh hysterically, as he pulled a catwalk while driving. He said I was screaming like a little girl, but he was exaggerating. We drove suspended in a catwalk for a least half of the length of the bridge very close to the edge, and then finally he let me off, laughing like I had never seen him laugh before. I walked back to his house and never got a dirt bike with him again.

Last story -

I bought the dirt bike - an XR80, a modest conservative choice, a 4 stroke bike with no powerband. I thought it was a good starter bike, Johathan said it was the bike he drove when he as 5, and that he was going to bring a rattle for me the next time we went for a run. He always made fun of everyone about bikes, this is what he was good at, that is why he was the leader in junior high. He was a fearless driver, and witty at the same time. He bugged me to go with him and a bunch of the boys for a run because he said I spent too much time staying home on the weekends polishing my bike and staring at it, and not enough time holding "her" wide open as he put it. He said my bike had me whipped like a woman, and I needed to take charge. So I agreed to join them on a "run". there were four of us, my bike was the slowest, so I was the butt of the jokes all day long, as I was showing up at the meeting places minutes after the others arrived. I had an 80, and two others were driving 2-stroke 125s, and of course John had the 175. The last stop of the day was a gravel pit with a huge jump that Jonathan had wanted to show off in front of me and others for a long time. He held it in 5th gear going at least 75 km/hr, hit the jump, and landed it perfectly. The other two tried as well, but there were much more conservative, they hit the jump going about 50 km/hr, and landed it, but all three of them had done this many times before. Then Johnathan told me to give it a try. He said there were too many cobwebs building up on my piston rings, and I needed to hold her going over the jump to clean her out. I was very reluctant. I said that I had never done anything like that before, and I didn't have a clue how to land a jump. Jonathan explained to me how to do it, and he said that if I didn't do it, he'd buy me a dress, and paint my gas tank pink. I suddenly became tired of his shit, I was going to prove this fucker wrong. I can do this I thought, I get good marks in school, I should be able to land this thing. How hard can it be? "fine, move out of my way fuckers, time to get some air!" Jonathan smiled, almost triumphantly. As I geared up and up to 5th gear, I was probably going about 60 km/hr. As I approached the jump i suddenly realized that I had made a huge mistake, this is the first time I had tried to jump anything, and I was going in 5th gear towards a massive jump, with sharp gravel everywhere! but It was too late, suddenly I was airborne, and as I came down, I thought I might land it, but my front tire came down first, and the bike flipped over top of me. My head hit the ground, and cracked the helmet, and the bike slide over my body, and pulled my helmet off. The bike also slide over top of me. Johnathan rushed over to examine me, but luckily I had only minor scratches, bruises, and a bit of gravel burn in my back. When Johnathan realized that I was ok, of course he proceeded to tell me how ridiculous the whole thing looked. And that story was told many times at school. I didn't attempt another jump after that.

Ahahaha, crazy, you're lucky you didn't snap your neck. I know what you mean about having someone take you on the dirt bike. A similar thing happened to me with Donny Manuel. A party got broke up, and I was kinda wandering around trying to figure out what to do, and he just suddenly pulled up next to me and said: "hop on, Cory". It wasn't long before I realized it was a mistake. Going 70+ per hour at night, and having tears in your eyes from the wind, no helmet, and knowing the guy driving is about as drunk as you are. But he got me where I needed to go.

I see you're trying to make a Weininger-esque analysis of the left and right wing mentalities. :-)

But the problem is, you are taking American politics as the example, which will just lead to confusion. As far as I'm concerned, American politics is a perfect example of a herd mentality, and nothing else besides. Plus, the right wing mentality is not necessarily conservative, and left wing mentality not necessarily progressive. If a country follows left wing politics for a long time(USSR), then the people with left wing mentalities would become conservatives, and right wing mentality people progressives. Also, I think you will find that the extreme right and left wing ideologies are identical - they would both be anarchist, or authoritarian. If you further analyse anarchist and authoritarian mentalities, you'd find that they're identical. If you analyse the socialist and capitalist mentalities - you'd find that they are identical.

However, there is a division between left and right. I would say that the ideal communistic left is feminine, and the ideal libertarian right is masculine. The former aims at merging with others, while the latter aims at being as independent as possible. Ultimately, there can only be two types of politics - rational and irrational. Rational politics can make any political system succeed, whereas with irrational politics all systems would fail. What difference would be there between a rational socialistic system and a rational libertarian system?

Another division can be made between conservatism and progressiveness. A person who is conservative(rightly or wrongly) thinks that the old values are to be followed, and new values rejected. A person who is progressive(rightly or wrongly) thinks that old values are to be discarded and new values adopted.

dejavu wrote:I'd love to to sit you punk motherfuckers down with some families I know who've lost people to drunk drivers. You'd be bawling in minutes. Sissies.

Why would you love that?

dejavu wrote:Nick takes the cake. "Sympathizing" with some turds who set someone on fire. The matter of how they should be tried is something else.

Actually, how they are being tried is why I sympathize with them.

jupiviv wrote:I see you're trying to make a Weininger-esque analysis of the left and right wing mentalities. :-)

But the problem is, you are taking American politics as the example, which will just lead to confusion. As far as I'm concerned, American politics is a perfect example of a herd mentality, and nothing else besides.

Maybe the way it's practiced, but I'm mainly talking about why people are attracted to the various political theories.

Plus, the right wing mentality is not necessarily conservative, and left wing mentality not necessarily progressive.

If you are referring to the sneaky things they actual do that contradict the theories and values they try to represent, then I agree.

If a country follows left wing politics for a long time(USSR), then the people with left wing mentalities would become conservatives, and right wing mentality people progressives.

Ok, I'm not trying to make a one sized fits all graph, all I'm doing is a looking at a particular country, and judging which demographics hold to ideologies that have greater respect for science and justice.

Also, I think you will find that the extreme right and left wing ideologies are identical - they would both be anarchist, or authoritarian.

It's not that simple. I'm taking into account the respect certain parties have for science, and the efforts made at regulating for the sake things like environmental conservation, nuclear disarmament, health care, carbon emissions, education, etc.

If you further analyse anarchist and authoritarian mentalities, you'd find that they're identical.

Nah, among authoritarians, there are loads of significant variation. Likewise with Anarchists.

However, you got me thinking........I could make a chart graphing the masculinity/femininity of just anarchists, or just authoritarians.

If you analyse the socialist and capitalist mentalities - you'd find that they are identical.

No. Like I said above - There are many breeds of socialists, and there are many different breeds of capitalists.

However, there is a division between left and right. I would say that the ideal communistic left is feminine, and the ideal libertarian right is masculine.

I'm not interested in anything too hypothetical or universal here. I want to consider real American social issues, and plot which individuals are responding to global and national social issues the most intelligently. This whole bit about the ideal communistic person or ideal libertarian person......that's not much use because it's too hypothetical and detatched from what's actually happening in the world.

The former aims at merging with others, while the latter aims at being as independent as possible.

Being as independent as possible is anarchism, and we can see that anarchism is not logical in relation to our current situation.

Ultimately, there can only be two types of politics - rational and irrational. Rational politics can make any political system succeed

I think your "rational politics" sounds pretty pie in the sky and ignores our current human nature.

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Those stories remind me of being in a class on life tables (for life insurance, pension plans, etc.), talking about the "force of mortality," with a lovely graph showing a sharp peak at birth, and mostly a smooth curve rising into the seventies and eighties as people die of old age.

But there is also a visible hump in there around age 16-20, which I am told is due purely to teenage boys learning how to drive.

dejavu wrote:Pack of drunk cunts.

I'd love to to sit you punk motherfuckers down with some families I know who've lost people to drunk drivers. You'd be bawling in minutes. Sissies.

There's a lot of talk going on right now about trying teens as adults in court after three teens, ages 15 and 16, were charged as adults for setting another teen on fire in this case here. Obviously they need to be punished and be made to understand the consequences of their actions, but looking back on how I was when I was that age, I do sympathize with them, and I see no upside in trying teens as adults and having them put away for life with no second chance.

Nick takes the cake. "Sympathizing" with some turds who set someone on fire. The matter of how they should be tried is something else.

Yes, I've noticed this too. Amongst these so-called Geniuses, (I exclude Nick, though, awaiting his answer) Cory and Ryan talking about drunken escapades like there's no tomorrow awaiting them. This is hardly the place to be going on, at least they could carry on over on Worldly Matters where the denizens of hell gravitate.

Perhaps it's about time Ryan set off on his Five Year Vagrant Tour. Cory can tag along. $5.55 a day and all those dumpsters just waiting to be mined. The apartment buildings have dumpsters-full of booze bottles with a few precious drops of memories gone by....Wasted days and wasted nights...
Winter's setting in........

PS - Your names have been forwarded to U.S. Customs Officials. They have your photos.

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lol @ your moral indignation for things I did many years ago as a teen.

I hardly care about your opinion enough to respond, but it's too temping.

Why are you offended about what actually happened, Tomas? We're telling the truth.

I was a 17 year old kid. Over 10 years ago. If I'm worried about getting/holding a job where any one would care to dig through graves for the sake of cheap attempts at character assassination, it takes no effort to edit out any personal anecdotes. It's not like I'm ever going to try to hold my own in the house of commons.

Also, we were discussing the absurd brains of teenage boys, and giving some examples to back up our points. And amusing ourselves at our own absurdity as kids.

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dejavu wrote:

dejavu:
I'd love to to sit you punk motherfuckers down with some families I know who've lost people to drunk drivers. You'd be bawling in minutes. Sissies.

Nick: Why would you love that?

Because rat-faced gronks should have their noses rubbed in the shit they cause, that's all. Don't worry, it's alright, really. It's not from a desire to punish you personally, or punish anyone for that matter.

Yes you are right dejavu, I've been a bad-bad boy. Would you like to spank me? You little sadomasochist you.

dejavu wrote:

Actually, how they are being tried is why I sympathize with them.

But looking back on how you were at their age helps too, doesn't it.

Yes, it's called empathy.

dejavu wrote: Well, what do you think their sentence should be Nick?

Honestly, I'm not in a positiion to make that kind of judgment right now.

Tomas wrote:This is hardly the place to be going on, at least they could carry on over on Worldly Matters where the denizens of hell gravitate.

Tomas protesting against post quality. Now there's a laugh.

Cory Duchesne wrote:

Tomas wrote:This is hardly the place to be going on, at least they could carry on over on Worldly Matters where the denizens of hell gravitate.

Tomas protesting against post quality. Now there's a laugh.

Yeah no fucking shit right?

What's funny is that when it comes to forum conduct, Tomas is the one who most resembles a drunk teenager. By a long shot.

Tomas wrote:PS - Your names have been forwarded to U.S. Customs Officials. They have your photos.

Damn, I was just about to invite Ryan and Cory across the border for some drunken mayhem!

Got any good guard rails I can grind with my Car over there, Nick? I love getting right plastered and launching my car airborne off rails like that! Especially in the winter when the overpass is all icy, makes for a challenge when I land.

lol - Anyhow,

Back on topic. So in my OP, I was talking about psychology of opposites, and I mentioned Bad Boys VS. Nice Guys. This subject is brought up on message boards sometimes, and I think it deserves a bit of attention.

A lot of times, people might assume the bad boys are more masculine than the nice guys, but I don't think they are always opposites like that. Here's an example of what I mean:

Spectrum from fem, masc, hyper-masc

So basically the feminine male superficially resembles the hyper masculine male. The hyper masculine male doesn't really appeal much to women. That's why the Bad boy is the most appealing to women, not because he is the most masculine, but because he has a strong feminine streak, yet with enough masculinity to fill her void.

I should add that the highest male has the capacity to be regarded as quite evil or bad, but he's not your typical bad boy at all. He's not looking to draw attention to himself with crude and senseless risk taking, vulgar language, drug use, jewelry, etc. He is civilized, polite, gentle and respectful at most times, and is certainly not in the kind of bad we see demonstrated by the man in the middle.