GENIUS FORUMS

You'll have to get yourself a lair in the forest and piss on trees to mark your territory...and you'll have to defend it.

Frank, don’t you ever do that again! Next time you will be held responsible if I’m chocked to death from laughter. I am still not able to read any thing beyond those lines or type due to sporadic bursts of laughter imagining it. I have vivid imagination, O! please…

I think that’s all I can type for, for some time to come actually. O! Lord! :D

Sapius,

I never know how much you know.Maybe I virtually have to explain everything.How many months do you have?


frank,what took you so long?I was expecting you ,honey.

Then you'll have to get yourself out of the social hypnosis..you'll have to live as an outlaw.

You should've stopped here.

You'll have to get yourself a lair in the forest and piss on trees to mark your territory...and you'll have to defend it.

Bullshit. That's only true if you're adopting the western imperialist viewpoint of what an animal is 'supposed to be', which is just a projection of the shadow of our own civilized way of living.

You'll have to kill your own meat and steal from others and rape chicks...

Those are less the conditions of being an animal than they are conditions of the environment it lives in. A coyote, for example, doesn't have to, and usually won't, kill its own meat if there are adjacent garbage cans to dig through.

But you won't do any of it 'cos you're gutless.

Okay, you're being an asshole. You tyrranize the definition of "animal" with the BS taught to you by THE MACHINE and then claim since he's not conforming to that idiotic definition (which is incredibly fucking weird and didn't even appear in the human imagination until the dawn of civilization) that he is teh failurez omg

You're practically a spokesperson for the machine. It's idiotic conceptual webs like YOURS that trap and divide our understanding into useless 'all or nothing' scenarios which don't even make sense in the real world.

the notion 'animal consciousness' was introduced by sapius,I thought he was talking to what some people refer to as the use of the reptile brain.but it seems that he didn't.maybe somewhat,but it looks like he hasn't background knowledge of the notion.and frank neither.

you can look for reptilian brain on the internet,the definition of what it exactly is,differ somewhat.Most explanation are worthless,though,in relation to what I mean.

sapius,it is difficult for me to come down to your language,maybe you should also read the last posts on steven's "my axiom"-topic.he made great progress.

Bert,

I never know how much you know.Maybe I virtually have to explain everything.How many months do you have?

I have all the time in the world, but trust me, you will not be telling me anything new, only that you will try to express it differently.

the notion 'animal consciousness' was introduced by sapius,I thought he was talking to what some people refer to as the use of the reptile brain.but it seems that he didn't.maybe somewhat,but it looks like he hasn't background knowledge of the notion.and frank neither.

Frank can fend for himself, as far as I’m concerned, animal consciousness according to others, and I take it according to you too since you see “power” in it, is to be considered a consciousness that is kind of more one with Reality because it does not indulge in verbal thoughts and meaning making as we do. Kind of unconscious consciousness. Well? You said earlier…

I want to 'go back' to the animal consciousness because of the powers that come with it.
AND
Most explanation are worthless,though,in relation to what I mean.

So what do you mean by ‘animal consciousness’, and what “powers” will you gain?

You also did not respond to…

Bert: do you believe in a Soul?what is your approach towards it?

Sapius: I can’t say what my approach would be unless you define Soul. I need to know what are you talking about.

Would you like to tell me?

sapius,it is difficult for me to come down to your language,

No, that shouldn’t be that difficult for you. If you use prose instead poetry I don’t think I should have much trouble. For example…

Bert: I want to 'go back' to the animal consciousness because of the powers that come with it.

Sapius: It might certainly be logical to you, but I wonder, why would one want to do that when nature goes through all the “trouble’ to actually first create an animal consciousness, then a self-aware consciousness, which tells us that going back to animal consciousness is all encompassing, ignoring or trying to dump the faculty (self-awareness) that is indeed telling him to do so, which he possibly cannot in the first place?

To which your response was…

Bert: It is a decision that you have to make.any philosophy,thesis or style degenerates pro rata to the number who embrace it.thou art the way.
I would ask of thee,thy supressed Self,is it not the new thing desired?

What in the world should I make of this? You were doing quite fine up until just before this post, and suddenly you left the territory of reason and opted for a slippery response since you couldn’t give a straight answer.

maybe you should also read the last posts on steven's "my axiom"-topic.he made great progress.

No, may be you should read the whole thread from the very beginning and honestly answer my last question to Steven, which he conveniently swept under the carpet. May be then I might see some honesty in you. Otherwise, you already know where the real “powers” can be found, may be you already have it, so there may be nothing more for you to gain, just enjoy it my friend.

Sapius wrote:

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You'll have to get yourself a lair in the forest and piss on trees to mark your territory...and you'll have to defend it.


Frank, don’t you ever do that again! Next time you will be held responsible if I’m chocked to death from laughter. I am still not able to read any thing beyond those lines or type due to sporadic bursts of laughter imagining it. I have vivid imagination, O! please…

I think that’s all I can type for, for some time to come actually. O! Lord! :D

Good...someone got the Joke and laughter is wonderful and I chortled as I made it up.

Wild Fox Zen wrote:
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Then you'll have to get yourself out of the social hypnosis..you'll have to live as an outlaw.


You should've stopped here.

You should have stopped here.

frank

Good...someone got the Joke and laughter is wonderful and I chortled as I made it up.

Totally! I mean, it's not like you were sincerely talking out your ass. You're a post-modern man! Who has the energy to take responsibility for what they say anymore?

Bert:

I want to 'go back' to the animal consciousness because of the powers that come with it.

Sapius:

So what do you mean by ‘animal consciousness’, and what “powers” will you gain?

Bert's 'dreaming of Power' is hilarious...what is he on about?

Hey Fox, when the 'emotion subsides' and you have rested and found stasis...

Then you'll have to get yourself out of the social hypnosis..you'll have to live as an outlaw.

Can you play with that?

frank

I want to 'go back' to the animal consciousness because of the powers that come with it.

Bert's got his Subject 'I'...
Bert's got his Verb 'to go back'...
Bert's got his Predicate 'the animal consciousness because of the powers that come with it'...

Bert thinks events proceed from Nouns...

Huh?

Bert 'breaks down' the Totality into a Category..'animal conciousness'..assigns it a property...'powers'...

Bert's 'lust for power' has him grasping at straws.

That's why MeaningMaking is a grab for power.

It's 'empty and meaningless THAT it's empty and meaningless'

frank

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maybe you should also read the last posts on steven's "my axiom"-topic.he made great progress.


No, may be you should read the whole thread from the very beginning and honestly answer my last question to Steven, which he conveniently swept under the carpet. May be then I might see some honesty in you. Otherwise, you already know where the real “powers” can be found, may be you already have it, so there may be nothing more for you to gain, just enjoy it my friend.

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Super-ego could well be a dream as well, irrelevant of it being achieved through an “honest” A=A perception, since that too would necessarily be a component of the brain. No?


… the point you chose to ignore. Well… good luck my friend.

I haven't read the whole topic,because I don't have the time know.

I don't know how you be-live the notion 'super-ego' ,but as I assumed earlier in this topic,life is a be-lived dream.
what is Self and I?and all these myriad forms called creation, - all so essentially like me?who can realize this Self-portraiture of all Things?
Verily,the sexuality has no limit in concepton.
whither I would go,there had I long been before.
eternal re-occurence would seem necessary to greater multiplicity!
for what reason is this loss of memory by these bewilding refractions of my original image,- that I once made - and out of which spring the sexes?
God is born again of desire,call it by whatever name: this unmanifested memory has no name till belief incarnates.
hence it may be called,- the re-occuring sub-division of 'I'.
Everything becomes necessary.
Man is subject to his own law: All else is an obscene jest and a lie.


I'm late

accepting consciousness(of all degrees) as the outward facet of 'Mind',the situation is so complex and dualistic,the interactions that form our mentation so baffling,that unless we accept the fact that we are creating our own Ego from Universal Mind,everything is irrational.

Frank can fend for himself, as far as I’m concerned, animal consciousness according to others, and I take it according to you too since you see “power” in it, is to be considered a consciousness that is kind of more one with Reality because it does not indulge in verbal thoughts and meaning making as we do. Kind of unconscious consciousness. Well? You said earlier…

you meet God,the omnifarious believing, - Thyself the living truth.
learning all things from Thee in the most sinister way of representation:from thy thought to become thereafter.
having suffered pleasure and pain,gladly dost thou deny the things of existence - from this sorry mess of inequality - once so desired.

bert wrote:accepting consciousness(of all degrees) as the outward facet of 'Mind',the situation is so complex and dualistic,the interactions that form our mentation so baffling,that unless we accept the fact that we are creating our own Ego from Universal Mind,everything is irrational.

Hey, I think you have hit the last nail in the coffin, so everything is now rational, what more can an individual ask for.

Enjoy it. :)

You also did not respond to…

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Bert: do you believe in a Soul?what is your approach towards it?

Sapius: I can’t say what my approach would be unless you define Soul. I need to know what are you talking about.

Would you like to tell me?

what 'being' ,or 'I am' ,is,related to the body;and Ego ,is,related to the mind,so is Self related to the Soul.

the pattern of the soul would see the philosophic vision of the systematic order of proportion which regulate the expression of things immaterial in material,between life subjective and life objective.

Sapius wrote:

bert wrote:accepting consciousness(of all degrees) as the outward facet of 'Mind',the situation is so complex and dualistic,the interactions that form our mentation so baffling,that unless we accept the fact that we are creating our own Ego from Universal Mind,everything is irrational.

Hey, I think you have hit the last nail in the coffin, so everything is now rational, what more can an individual ask for.

Enjoy it. :)

same to you,sapius

Verily, I like this of Bert.

Everything becomes necessary.

It tempers the great contempt for all becoming he seems to express in the next sentence:

Man is subject to his own law: All else is an obscene jest and a lie.

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Bert: I want to 'go back' to the animal consciousness because of the powers that come with it.

Sapius: It might certainly be logical to you, but I wonder, why would one want to do that when nature goes through all the “trouble’ to actually first create an animal consciousness, then a self-aware consciousness, which tells us that going back to animal consciousness is all encompassing, ignoring or trying to dump the faculty (self-awareness) that is indeed telling him to do so, which he possibly cannot in the first place?

To which your response was…

Quote:
Bert: It is a decision that you have to make.any philosophy,thesis or style degenerates pro rata to the number who embrace it.thou art the way.
I would ask of thee,thy supressed Self,is it not the new thing desired?


What in the world should I make of this? You were doing quite fine up until just before this post, and suddenly you left the territory of reason and opted for a slippery response since you couldn’t give a straight answer.

the all-wise mind permits us any absurdity;yet power is given to all self-believers whether for good or for evil.should it worry Cosmos if we act the Goat,or fall,in our vicious circle?

bert wrote:

Sapius wrote:

bert wrote:accepting consciousness(of all degrees) as the outward facet of 'Mind',the situation is so complex and dualistic,the interactions that form our mentation so baffling,that unless we accept the fact that we are creating our own Ego from Universal Mind,everything is irrational.

Hey, I think you have hit the last nail in the coffin, so everything is now rational, what more can an individual ask for.

Enjoy it. :)

same to you,sapius

How very kind of you, Bert. :)

bert:

the all-wise mind permits us any absurdity;yet power is given to all self-believers whether for good or for evil.should it worry Cosmos if we act the Goat,or fall,in our vicious circle?

Oh I don't know. Isn't power taken for good and for evil, and really only given beyond them?
:D

bert wrote:accepting consciousness(of all degrees) as the outward facet of 'Mind',the situation is so complex and dualistic,the interactions that form our mentation so baffling,that unless we accept the fact that we are creating our own Ego from Universal Mind,everything is irrational.

for if we are the mere media through which something expresses itself - why do we feel?

suergaz wrote:bert:

the all-wise mind permits us any absurdity;yet power is given to all self-believers whether for good or for evil.should it worry Cosmos if we act the Goat,or fall,in our vicious circle?

Oh I don't know. Isn't power taken for good and for evil, and really only given beyond them?
:D

it happens

suergaz,

You're right. Power is beyond them both. A part of the space-time continuum.

frank wrote:

I want to 'go back' to the animal consciousness because of the powers that come with it.

Bert's got his Subject 'I'...
Bert's got his Verb 'to go back'...
Bert's got his Predicate 'the animal consciousness because of the powers that come with it'...

Bert thinks events proceed from Nouns...

Huh?

Bert 'breaks down' the Totality into a Category..'animal conciousness'..assigns it a property...'powers'...

Bert's 'lust for power' has him grasping at straws.

That's why MeaningMaking is a grab for power.

It's 'empty and meaningless THAT it's empty and meaningless'

frank

I am the power of my desire (Id).

Bert:

I am the power of my desire (Id).

The Id doesn't care about reality, about the needs of anyone else, only its own satisfaction.


What if God were not exactly truth, and if this could be proved? And if he were instead the vanity, the desire for power, the ambitions, the fear, and the enraptured and terrified folly of mankind? (Nietzsche, 1890)

frank