A few topics...what are your thougts?

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Hi Toto,
Your love of psychedelics transmits and protecting psychedelics or having psychedelics safe or having people recognise a safety net for psychedelics is in order.
when at a bush doof they can seriously make the personal interconnnectedness between strangers amazing
I saw that at a rainbow festival.
I wasn't tripping but I saw it.
It looked like possibility but in the crunch isn't it dependent on the chemistry?

Can the mood be generated without the chemistry?
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dr gonzo

You don't need any psychedelics to see the things you think only people on psychedelics can see.

All you are doing is altering your perspective, which does help to realize some things about reality, but it is not the only way.

You would get more from an hour of meditation then you would from a whole trip.
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he's allowed to express his 'gestalt' John.

its his baby,

its his way 'in'.

let him open it up in a conversation.
all of it.

he might have an access point worked out aside from the chemistry as a result of the chemistry.
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I know what he's thinking but, as jufa like's to repeat, never give power to anything people believe is their source of strength.

He's found something exclusive, something few people have tried, and therefore anyone that isn't in agreement with him is simply unable to comprehend what he's saying because they just haven't been subject to his exclusive experience. He would be better off if he didn't think the psychedelics were his holy treasures of spiritual knowledge.

dr gonzo, don't do LSD or mushrooms anymore, you've had your fun, just accept it, move on, and chill out with some harmless green
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its understood the Inquiry is finished for you John.
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See how mine took two comments while your inquiry is going to take this guy's lifetime :p



Just kidding Dennis thanks for all the great discussion, heed some wise words gonzo
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So, what's your problem?
transmission?
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Transmission works fine when there is an open mind, it's transmission to anybody that I want to perfect
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Transmission works fine when there is an open mind
Get one.
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ha ha ha, where have I been closed minded? Is it because you have a fear of a certain three letter word? Sounds like you've got all the wrong pre-conceived notions attached to it, not me.

"Zen followers (who have much in common with mystics of other faiths) do not use the term “God,” being wary of its dualistic and anthropomorphic implications. They prefer to talk of “the Absolute” or “the One Mind,” for which they employ many synonyms according to the aspect to be emphasized in relation to something finite. "

Didn't I already change my wording for you anyway? To be in tune with what's acceptable terminology for you and what's not.

Don't ignore the master carpenter, remember to honor the great mother ;)
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I was in circumstances that were pressing.
'Puppygate'.

in order to thwart a possible reign of terror from one particular neighbour I took action recommended by a vet.
I got an electronic necklace.
At that point the Inquiry looked over.

A couple of days later I could see the puppy was adversely affected.

I felt suffering in that but I thought I would 'push through' it and it would work out.
The Inquiry was closed in my mind.


I raised the topic here and Laird, Pye and Kunga rolled through the worldliness of my world worlding,
and like rumbling thunder with flashes of light,
exposed my Act to me.

'Caught in the Act'

the Inquiry suddenly opened up or I opened up because I listened.
I've cleaned up my Act.

An open mind is listening not preaching.

Its a 2 way conversation.
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I've listened well, is an open mind believing whatever it hears also?

Just because you say that the identity I have is just an "act", a false conception I haven't yet been able to overcome, doesn't make it so. You are basing that on all the previous conceptions you have heard.

It is the common belief of what "God" is, (that thing people try praying too) that is a false conception.

An open mind, like your own "swings both ways" as it were, teaches and learns, so why don't we leave behind that knowledge we have of all the other people in the world and their beliefs on the subject, whether it be the scientific atheists making people conform to atheism, or the just as close minded believers making people conform to faith.

That way, without any of the clouds that surround us, (even the other GF posters), I can try and point out the divinity to you, I truly believe that I can get someone with an open mind, even an atheist with an open mind, ( Vs the open mind that doesn't want to look closed-minded) to have complete reverence for dare-I-say-it-publicly God, the divine source of our being, the cause of every situation imaginable, the creator of infinite possibilities.
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no mud, no lotus.

ha, ha,

what a relief!
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Growing into the wisdom of non-discrimination one must be careful what is discriminated against as being a discrimination.
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Growing into the wisdom of non-discrimination one must be careful what is discriminated against as being a discrimination.


Posted it twice for effect
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Reifying 'God' as a subset in the column where 'the answers' are about to show up doesn't make sense because there's no possibility of 'God's' enlightenment.

the possibility of enlightenment sits squarely in the domain 'human being'.

its a conversation human beings have between each other in the form of Inquiry.

no amount of table-thumping works out.
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That isn't reifying, there would need to be an actual concrete concept or identity as you say, but there is none, you have assumed identity with the description "God", which is totality, absolute, which is where your thoughts and my thoughts are coming from.

To me recognizing the illusion of reality is a clear indicator that whole universe of illusion didn't come from nothing or was unplanned, I mean I thought it was a joke when people thought the way the universe turned out was unplanned, now that I know it's an illusion, the joke is much more hilarious.

Enlightenment, a characteristic: realizing that the self isn't what you thought it was

So next question then is what am "I"? You have to answer that,

*hint, I've already given you the only real answer to this question once before
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so, there you go adamant you know.

what did you say?
your buddies turn away from the conversation you try and generate.

then you ask,
how can I do it?

the answer is because you're not in a conversation.
the Inquiry is understood to be closed for you.

Nagarjuna is quite clear.
steer a middle way between assigning essence and declaring illusion (nihilism).
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I was asking how to show others the illusion with proper explanation, not how to use that argument to support God, in fact I almost never bring that up when talking about illusion.

The inquiry is closed for me in terms of thinking the existence of god is correct, and you point this out to be ignorance but to me it seems that your inquiry into the subject is equally as closed.

This middle way is the acknowledgement that there is some underlying faint basis of logic/something or essence to the illusion, meaning when I close my eyes I'm still going to feel my hand where I expect it to be.

As opposed to a complete illusion where if it isn't there in your sense experience it has 0 existence, but that can't be true without more elaboration as I keep opening my eyes to the same place and vehicle, hence that middle way between complete non-existence (nothing but an appearance) and existence.
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You said your buddies turn away from the conversation you want to generate.

Why would that be?

We are now drawing distinctions concerning conversation.
the content is junk.
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No one turns away, they just argue that it isn't that way because of their own beliefs, which content is junk? And if that's the case, hence why I am asking how to explain it properly as I don't know how, I can only point to it
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No one turns away, they just argue that it isn't that way because of their own beliefs,
belief v belief.
the Buddha said don't believe me.
he said try it out!

In distinguishing conversation:

the content is junk 'til somebody is listening.

if somebody isn't listening to see if somebody is or isn't listening the content is junk.

Is that a distinction?
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Dennis, this content is your content, this belief is your belief, not god, the hollow existence, I asked how to do more than "point the way" to what "illusion" means, how to best debate it philosophically without needing people to come to realization to see that their reasoning is flawed
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a logical investigation.

look at your table.
how does it exist?

insert your standard reply here: 'sense experience'

how's that going?
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