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A Brief History of Khazars in the 'Goldene Medin'

Contributed by John Churchilly


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Agreed that the Ashkenazi are not Semites. They are, in fact, the most pure bred Aryan race there is.
but that is because of the *women*, not the men. As noted, they started out on the Silk Road, and are the descendants of the merchant class; which is why they are so smart. Obviously, smarter than the author of your rant.

But think about it. The whole time they lived in Europe, they did so under the rule of Christian kings. It was these oppressive rulers, who did not trust their own people, who installed "Jews" in the government because they knew no Jew would be able to pull a coup to replace them.

The "Jewish problem" is caused by Christian leadership. Nations that are not ruled by Christians dont *have* a "Jewish problem". Never did. Nietzsche understood this. You are bitching about the symptom, and not the disease.

i didn't read the "brief history of the khazars" that was linked. but as a young man i DID do some research on the khazars, so i know the general story.
the theory that the ashkenazic jews are of "khazar" descent is outdated. it has been discredited by genetic evidence.

i have no axe to grind with respect to this matter. but, for the sake of candor, i must admit that (genetically speaking) i AM an ashkenazic jew on my father's side of the family. make of that whatever you like.
sincerely,
jon

I think this issue has to do with the way nuclear farming groups of 72-98 individuals evolved into larger communities, which bred a certain merchant class in counterpoint with the Kings and their antecedents, both interested for much the same reasons in the Silk Robe.

The Jewish "problem" is really about their humor; it is so different from Gentile humor; just look at the Borscht Belt in the Catskills of New York -- jumping quantumly ahead in both time and space -- I mean, what could be more self-oppressive than "take my wife....please."

Those who installed Jews in government clearly make a mistake, for Jews are not statesmen, per se, but traditionally the very merchants that came up through those Silk Robe genetics -- perhaps Silk Rope would be more apt. No, Jews are fitter for the entertainment business -- witness how they have inundated Hollywood, from the birth of the film industry forward, as producers, composers, directors, and as studio brass. Indeed the brass cannon used in America's Revolutionary War were financed by Jews, in part; Jews have long been instrumental in the international finance community, as well.

As for Semites, the word stems from Semolina, a derivative of wheat, which emanated from the Euphrates Valley, back when small agricultural groups of 72-98 individuals were led by leaders who soon saw that the harem method of DNA propagation would only lead to inbreeding -- but I digress -- and the Anti-Semites were actually those who favored oats over wheat. Both groups eventually prevailed over the corn-eaters of the New World, corn having less protein than either wheat or oats, and being fit only for pigs. Nietzsche understood this, I agree.

One huge problem sorting out Ashkenazic DNA is that the whole time since they left Sogdia, they have lived under Christian kings and political leaders who could, and did, rape any Jewesses they caught with impunity, and take any comely Jewish girls they wanted for their harems.

this has something to do with why to be a "Jew" only means that one has a Jewish mother. They could not control the Y chromosome contribution very well. However, the smart Jewesses saw the political changes coming, knew when to get out of dodge, and if not, were more likely to find a place to hide. And if a Jewess found a smart young goy that she wanted to father her children, the Jewish men were not in a position to stop that, and being politik, as I myself observed, welcomed whatever choices the young Jewish women made.

We also know that men have been very mobile for millenia; I saw an archeological report of minerals in the bones of the British warrior, buried nearly 2000 years ago, whose bones were formed by eating Mediterranean seafood. This has something to do with why there are 60 Y chromosome lines in Europe, and 60 in the Levant and Fertile crescent, many of which are found in both regions.

Complicating this is the fact that there is no "moment of conception", but a period of time when more than one sperm enters an egg. and from "Sperm Wars" we see that they need not all be from the same donor. Now, if all are XX or all XY, no biggie, nobody notices the diff; but if not, what you get is XXY. A hermaphrodite. So. while we all only have one mother, not all only have one father, and we get a mixing of haplotypes. Sorting them out is not possible.

Sykes, "The Seven Daughters of Eve" shows that there are only 7 indigenous mtDNA lines in Europe. The Fertile crescent has scores of mtDNA lines. If the Kazars were from the Levant, when they came back into Europe, those mtDNA would be there. If however, the ancestors of the Kazars, Sogdians, et al, were descended from the Amazons, since the Amazons descended from the Cucuteni, its just the same mtDNA lines coming back.

JP Mallory, "In Search of the Indo-Europeans" points out that the original Aryans were not conquerers, but assimilators. And whereas patriarchic cultures try to acquire women of other races, they murder the men. Matriarchies however, will add smart men to their gene pools no matter where they come from. Thus, the 60 Y chromosome lines among the Kazars and Europeans.

Another effect on the Ashkenazi was that the patriarchic honchos would seize their airheads, viewing women only as the room in which their seed grows. The smart women, specially those with less attractive faces, were left in the Jewish community.

Thank you Tomas. That article cleared up a few things/relationships for me. Things are starting to make sense :)

hsandman wrote:Thank you Tomas. That article cleared up a few things/relationships for me. Things are starting to make sense :)

-tomas-
Thank you, thank you very much...

(elvis has left the building)



Tomas (the tank)
VietNam veteran - 1971

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daybrown wrote:Agreed that the Ashkenazi are not Semites. They are, in fact, the most pure bred Aryan race there is.

Ashkenazim are semites (even if they were khazars, they wouldn't be aryans, because khazars were turkic and not aryan). The whole khazar angle is BS. Genetic studies have shown that only about 13% of ashkenazi genome can be attributed to turkic sources. The '13th Tribe' thing has been conclusively disproven.

BTW, if you are looking for pure-bred aryans, look no farther than Ukraine. it's the single strongest origination point of the aryan genetic markers -- the entire eastern branch of aryan expansion (Iran, India, some Near East, etc.) traces back to Ukraine by genetic evidence.

When horses were domesticated 6000 years ago, Many Aryans spread east into what became Sodgia, which is where the Askenazi came from. The pot has certainly been stirred a lot since, but some portion of the Ashkenazi Sogdians fled East into Europe when the original Jihadim invaded.

i dont see enuf data on the Turks, but from the sources I've seen, it looks like they were the descendants of the Sakya hillbillies in Tamir who spread east down out of the mountains. Its a common enuf phenomena; the Tibetans did the same thing several times, conquering Khotan, but also taking most of Western China a couple times claiming that Tibet and China were the same country.

Something about mountains tends to make bad asses. The Swiss were remarkably effective, but not unnecessarily brutal. They are remarkable too for having Italian, German, and French communities work for their mutual defense. Which stands in stark contrast to the tribal conflict in the Mid East. Why?

Dude, you are talking out of your ass. So you have any evidence at all that ashkenazim aren't semites?

And while you are at it, why don't you address the fact that ashkenazim carry genetic markers from the semitic middle-east, both patrilinearly and matrilinearly, but not much from indo-european Europe?.. You know, as an alternative to pulling random shit out of your ass, and concern-trolling on behalf of the section of the jews who were not involved in staging 9/11.

Those 'semetic' markers Vic are all over the place. There are over 60 Y chromosome lines in the Levant. There never was an 'Abraham' for them all to descend from. The mass conversion to Judaism is a documented historic fact in Sogdia, which at the time, was beyond the hegemony of the Persian empire and actively engaged in the *business* of running the Silk Road from the Tamir to the ports on the Caspian that sailed up to Astrakhan.

From there, it was a simple matter to sail up the Volga to what is now Stalingrad, make a short portage, and put in the Don, going down to the Black sea, the Byzantine empire or the barbarians on the Danube. Or- going up the Don, to make another portage, and sail another river down to the Baltic.

There was a vast mercantile empire that you dont know anything about because it was all timber frame, and nobody left any stone monuments with the names of kings for archaeologists to look at. But that set of Y Chromosomes filtered into Europe as well as down into Persia. And I dont think they'll ever sort it out.

East of the Tamir, their Aryan cousins spoke and wrote Tocharian. http://www.dc-pc.org/artifax/artifax.html may take time to load, there's lotsa images, but down at the bottom of the page you see a fresco of 2 rich Tocharian merchants. Who look just like "Ashkenazic Jews". Only, they are Buddhist.

Do you have any evidence for your deluded fantasies (or your assertion that Mossad staged 9/11 for example), or are you once again pulling random shit out of yout ass?

own at the bottom of the page you see a fresco of 2 rich Tocharian merchants. Who look just like "Ashkenazic Jews". Only, they are Buddhist.

hahaha. That's your evidence for ashkenazim being indo-european -- a fresco with two buddhists who have hooked noses?.. Dude, you are fucking insane.

vicdan wrote:Do you have any evidence for your deluded fantasies (or your assertion that Mossad staged 9/11 for example), or are you once again pulling random shit out of yout ass?

As I say in another post, for evidence[/] you need a legal proceeding with witnesses who present their credentials and testify under oath and penalty of perjury. I'd be perfectly happy to see that happen. Anyone can post anything online. You would do well to read Machiavelli. Or even the Huey P. Long school of government rules:
1- Never say anything in writing [much less in email].
2- Never say anything over the phone you can say in person.
3- Never speak when you can nod.
4. Never nod when you can smile.

That's your evidence for ashkenazim being indo-european -- a fresco with two buddhists who have hooked noses?.. Dude, you are fucking insane.

Since I have been educated in psychology, I am not fool enuf to make clinical judgments online. As for the 2 rich Tocharian merchants, that is only the most obvious of a lot of cultural traits that they share with the Sogdians, and indeed Europe.

Since they buried their dead in cold dry alkaline desert ground, many of the bodies were freeze dried. Their wardrobes are often perfectly intact going back 1000-3000 years. The DNA in the wool comes from European lines of sheep. It is often woven in twill, which the Chinese never did. Some of it is plaid, which the Chinese never did, and some even in classic tartan.

The SW US has 150 year old ghost towns. NW China has ghost towns 1500 years or more, They just found another last spring, 2500 years old. From time to time flash floods carve out new channels moving the river over, so the ghost towns are snapshots. In them they not only find the furniture still in the houses, but also the personal and business letters. The same entrepreneurial instincts we associate with the Jews is seen in towns like Loulan and Niya. They were, after all, in the shipping business. And like the Ashkenazi, engaged in translating treaties, business contracts, and in their case, Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian, and other sacred texts.

And just as the Ashkenazi moved up in European bureaucracies. so also the Tocharians moved up in the Chinese government. Only, since they were Buddhist, and not working for Christian kings, they didnt cause a "Jewish problem". No nation that didnt have a Levantine religion ever had a "Jewish problem".

http://www.oxuscom.com/eyawtkat.htm has some of the admittedly obscure, history.
http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/di ... tochbr.htm has the alphabet. Note the 'oomlats', and how the vertical lines are thin while the horizontals are fat. Some Tocharian documents look like Old Gothic. However, where as Gothic was mostly Latin, the Tocharian alphabet has 120 letters because they had to render words in over a dozen other languages with sounds that dont exist in Europe.

Some Tocharian documents are written with a goose quill pen on birchbark. Birch dont grow in China. It had to be imported from Europe. There's hint as to how old that tradition of writing on birch is in the European myth that writing was the gift of the "Birch Goddess". Writing is really handy if you want to be in business. There's lotsa similarities between the Ashkenazi and the Tocharians besides just hooked noses.

Oh ya. Both had really smart women.

daybrown wrote:

vicdan wrote:Do you have any evidence for your deluded fantasies (or your assertion that Mossad staged 9/11 for example), or are you once again pulling random shit out of yout ass?

As I say in another post, for evidence[/] you need a legal proceeding with witnesses who present their credentials and testify under oath and penalty of perjury. I'd be perfectly happy to see that happen.

So you don't actually have any evidence -- just an ignorant certainty that jews did it.

vicdan wrote:That's your evidence for ashkenazim being indo-european -- a fresco with two buddhists who have hooked noses?.. Dude, you are fucking insane.

The same entrepreneurial instincts we associate with the Jews is seen in towns like Loulan and Niya. They were, after all, in the shipping business. And like the Ashkenazi, engaged in translating treaties, business contracts, and in their case, Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian, and other sacred texts.

And just as the Ashkenazi moved up in European bureaucracies. so also the Tocharians moved up in the Chinese government.

In short, you have no evidence here either -- just unsubstantiated assertions.

I will give you a free clue, idiot: the same traits had been associated with armenians in Turkey. By your reasoning, that is grounds to conclude that armenians were jews! in reality, minorities often fill societal niches -- jews did it, armenians did it, and many other peoples did it.

http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/di ... tochbr.htm has the alphabet. Note the 'oomlats', and how the vertical lines are thin while the horizontals are fat. Some Tocharian documents look like Old Gothic. However, where as Gothic was mostly Latin, the Tocharian alphabet has 120 letters because they had to render words in over a dozen other languages with sounds that dont exist in Europe.

Tocharians were indo-european. That in no way makes them the jews. Duh.

Some Tocharian documents are written with a goose quill pen on birchbark. Birch dont grow in China. It had to be imported from Europe. There's hint as to how old that tradition of writing on birch is in the European myth that writing was the gift of the "Birch Goddess". Writing is really handy if you want to be in business. There's lotsa similarities between the Ashkenazi and the Tocharians besides just hooked noses.

No, there isn't. You are just making shit up. The similarity between them is no greater than between jews and armenians.

You are deluded, dude.

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Remains of ancient civilization discovered on the bottom of the lake

The Great Silk Road lay along the lake's coast until the 18th century.

Lake Issyk Kul
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20071227/94372640.html

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Tomas wrote:.

Remains of ancient civilization discovered on the bottom of the lake

The Great Silk Road lay along the lake's coast until the 18th century.

Lake Issyk Kul
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20071227/94372640.html

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Thanx Tomas. The website mentions the many religions practiced there, including Judaism. Its too bad that some lack the maturity to disagree without being disagreeable. But it is interesting to reflect that Christianity was never able to compete with Confucianism, Zorastrianism, Taoism, etc on the Silk Road, where as Judaism did. Because of the rather more modest claims Judaism made about the nature of the divine. Nobody else would buy into that trinity bullshit, for one.

Gibbon makes clear that there many in the Roman empire to who converted to Judaism despite the need for circumcision. Ergo, not all the "Jews" from that region were genetically Semite. In the same manner we have some considerable portion of those known as Askenazi from Sogdia who later fled into Europe with the rise of Islam.

Their Aryan Sogdian kin also fled East, but even if they were Jews when they got there, they didnt run into the juvenile pagan and Christian cosmologies of Europe, but the sophisticated thinking of Confucius and Lao Tzu. There was no point in trying to maintain a Jewish identity. Then too, as the website mentions, the religious scene was split among several major contenders.

This competition made the Ashkenazi think more deeply about what they thot they knew than the Sephardim. They were, after all, the merchant elite, many of them literate in several languages just in order to business in Byzantium, Persia, China, and what is now Pakistan. You didnt stay in business unless you were smart. And since marriage was often used in business, there was no way to keep the bloodline from mixing with many other lines. Which we see in the DNA.