YOGIS

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:59 am

Can their abilites be explained scientifically ?

1. Walking on water
2. Shape-shifting
3. Walking through walls
4. Speed walking
5. Telepathy

to name a few....

Elizabeth Isabelle · Post by **Elizabeth Isabelle** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:47 am

Please show me a link where each of these has been documented.

I've experienced a room full of people doing a flying yogi pose, which basically entailed everyone sitting cross-legged, squeezing their butt cheeks together and pushing down with their thighs until they bounce, and continue to bounce off the ground like that for a few minutes. It takes a bit of stretching of the definition of flying to include bouncing, but that's how that one is done.

Animus · Post by **Animus** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:50 am

I'm sure if they could be observed scientifically they can be explained scientifically.

Carl G · Post by **Carl G** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:58 am

Can their abilities be explained scientifically ?

I agree with Animus. The short answer is "yes."

Dan Rowden · Post by **Dan Rowden** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:33 am

If only they could make my bank account bigger, then I'd believe!!!!!

Carl G · Post by **Carl G** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:54 pm

They can, grasshopper, but you must believe first!

Animus · Post by **Animus** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:56 pm

Kunga wrote:Can their abilites be explained scientifically ?

1. Walking on water
2. Shape-shifting
3. Walking through walls
4. Speed walking
5. Telepathy

to name a few....

Let me give a more complete response.

The first four I have really no ideas on, as far as I know there is no observable basis for them. Walking on water is a magic trick preformed by Chris Angel. Shape-shifting is an artifact of compression. Walking through walls is impossible. Speed walking is a neat skill.

Those are my guesses for the first four phenomena. Telepathy is something that has been somewhat scientifically studied under the heading "Psi" along with OBEs, NDEs and other strange phenomena. Scientific evidence for telepathy comes from studies of individuals asked to read the image on cards they could not see. The results of these studies, in my opinion and others are negligible. However there are researchers who claim that even a subtle effect is worth mentioning. I think the researchers overlook crucial information from within neuroscience. That is that the brain processes information that is not available for conscious awareness but is available for cognition. One example is the visual information processed by the superior colliculus. A person has cognitive availability of the orientation of lines even when they are consciously blind (Blindsight). It is possible that the line orientations on the cards are cognitively available - even though the card is turned around - but not conscious. That is of course assuming that the subtle effect isn't just an artifact of the research methods. In the end there really isn't much evidence for telepathy in laboratory conditions.

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:24 am

Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:Please show me a link where each of these has been documented.

I've experienced a room full of people doing a flying yogi pose, which basically entailed everyone sitting cross-legged, squeezing their butt cheeks together and pushing down with their thighs until they bounce, and continue to bounce off the ground like that for a few minutes. It takes a bit of stretching of the definition of flying to include bouncing, but that's how that one is done.

even if i showed you a link of documentation...would you belive it ?

i have no proof except what i have read from books talking about yogis.....books about the Mahasiddhas, Milarepa, etc.

although i have not witnessed this phenomena myself...i have faith these things happen.

science/scientists do not have all the answers...but i think yogis have the answers :)

by practicing certain yogic principals you will get results....it's a science only yogis comprehend....

but the ego has to die

what scientist is willing to kill his ego in search for the truth ?

Tomas · Post by **Tomas** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:07 am

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-Kunga-
Even if i showed you a link of documentation...would you believe it ?

-tomas-
How about a picture or two of what these people look like (from your persepective). They needn't be doing anything other than being normal. Certainly these folk eat food, drink water, take a dump like their parents did.

I've spent a great deal of time (the common every-day life) with a few Native American tribes in North Dakota, where I grew up. Arikara, Hidista, Sioux, Chippewa, Mandan, and travels to Arapaho from Colorado, Choctaw from Arkansas, Southwestern tribes, too..

Just a link so I can envision in my mind what you are seeing, cool?

PS - to Elizabeth. Good succinct comments ;-)

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:27 am

Tomas wrote:.

-Kunga-
Even if i showed you a link of documentation...would you believe it ?

-tomas-
How about a picture or two of what these people look like (from your persepective). They needn't be doing anything other than being normal. Certainly these folk eat food, drink water, take a dump like their parents did.

I've spent a great deal of time (the common every-day life) with a few Native American tribes in North Dakota, where I grew up. Arikara, Hidista, Sioux, Chippewa, Mandan, and travels to Arapaho from Colorado, Choctaw from Arkansas, Southwestern tribes, too..

Just a link so I can envision in my mind what you are seeing, cool?

Google : (Images)

Buddha

Milarepa
Padmasembhava
The 84 Mahasiddhas
Naropa
Nagarjuna
Marpa
Tilopa
Asangha

Pantanjali

Atisha

Keith Dowman Robert Beers Masters of Enchantment

PS - to Elizabeth. Good succinct comments ;-)

Tomas · Post by **Tomas** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:55 am

-tomas earlier-
Just a link so I can envision in my mind what you are seeing, cool?

-kunga-
Google : (Images)
Buddha, Milarepa, Padmasembhava, The 84 Mahasiddhas, Naropa, Nagarjuna, Marpa, Tilopa, Asangha, Pantanjali, Atisha, Keith Dowman & Robert Beers Masters of Enchantment.

-tomas-
No, no. Any live human beings? Buddha never existed. Abraham Lincoln never existed, Yogi Bear is an imaged cartoon. They are just worshipful-relics of the forgotten past. Though, I've met Yogi Berra of New York Yankees fame on a couple/few dinner circuits. (If you come to a fork in the road .. take it.)

Any photos of this Robert Beers fellow? I checked out the site, they seem to be street-hawking some material. I've traveled quite extensively in the Eastern Hemispheric zone, seen one and seen them all statues of yesteryear..

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:05 am

Google Robert Beers (he's a Tibetan Buddhsit/Thanka Artist) read his interesting bio...He's not a yogi/Mahasiddha though...he just makes books about them

the computer i'm at now is different from mine at home...and i don't know how to copy/paste links with it !!!!!!

(It's a APPLE/MACBook)

No Mouse (lap top)

the weirdest thing i can't figure out (how to copy/paste) on it :(

Tomas · Post by **Tomas** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:19 am

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-Kunga-
Google Robert Beers He's not a yogi/Mahasiddha though...he just makes books about them

-tomas-
Seriously then, you've never seen a live yogi?

The ones Elizabeth refers to are the same sorts of critters I've run across.

Animus · Post by **Animus** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:43 am

Kunga wrote:(It's a APPLE/MACBook)

No Mouse (lap top)

the weirdest thing i can't figure out (how to copy/paste) on it :(
Google Robert Beers (he's a Tibetan Buddhsit/Thanka Artist) read his interesting bio...He's not a yogi/Mahasiddha though...he just makes books about them

the computer i'm at now is different from mine at home...and i don't know how to copy/paste links with it !!!!!!

(It's a APPLE/MACBook)

No Mouse (lap top)

the weirdest thing i can't figure out (how to copy/paste) on it :(

Try this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=copy+paste+on+a+macbook&l=1

divine focus · Post by **divine focus** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:07 am

Kunga wrote:(It's a APPLE/MACBook)

No Mouse (lap top)

the weirdest thing i can't figure out (how to copy/paste) on it :(

apple+C, apple+V

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:02 am

Animus wrote:
Kunga wrote:(It's a APPLE/MACBook)

No Mouse (lap top)

the weirdest thing i can't figure out (how to copy/paste) on it :(
Google Robert Beers (he's a Tibetan Buddhsit/Thanka Artist) read his interesting bio...He's not a yogi/Mahasiddha though...he just makes books about them

the computer i'm at now is different from mine at home...and i don't know how to copy/paste links with it !!!!!!

(It's a APPLE/MACBook)

No Mouse (lap top)

the weirdest thing i can't figure out (how to copy/paste) on it :(

Try this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=copy+paste+on+a+macbook&l=1

OMG...was that ever cool !
Now i'm home ...but thankyou for that link...when i get to work tommorrow i'll try it...thanks !!!

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:14 am

Tomas wrote:.

-Kunga-
Google Robert Beers He's not a yogi/Mahasiddha though...he just makes books about them

-tomas-
Seriously then, you've never seen a live yogi?

The ones Elizabeth refers to are the same sorts of critters I've run across.

i think i have seen live yogis...but they would never display any powers openly (this is forbidden)
only in very special circumstances would they ever be used purposely...and being that i already have deep faith
it is not nessesary for me to see them....

a few strange things have happened tho with my teacher...
once when i dropped him off after spending the whole day with him, my car filled with the scent of Tibetan incense...

and another time when i took some pictures of him....all the film in my camera turned upside down & i had double exposures....

and a few other strange things...like mental telepathy stuff....

i have a few other teachers that live in India...they are probebly yogis...

i don't understand why you say Buddha never existed...or Abraham Lincoln....there is historical evidence verifying they existed.....

and my opinion of Jesus is that he was also a yogi...he walked on water & raised the dead...oh, and changed water into wine and made enough food for multitudes with just a loaf of bread.....just to mension a FEW yogic things he did....

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:20 am

Tomas wrote:.

-Kunga-
Even if i showed you a link of documentation...would you believe it ?

-tomas-
How about a picture or two of what these people look like (from your persepective). They needn't be doing anything other than being normal. Certainly these folk eat food, drink water, take a dump like their parents did.

I've spent a great deal of time (the common every-day life) with a few Native American tribes in North Dakota, where I grew up. Arikara, Hidista, Sioux, Chippewa, Mandan, and travels to Arapaho from Colorado, Choctaw from Arkansas, Southwestern tribes, too..

Just a link so I can envision in my mind what you are seeing, cool?

PS - to Elizabeth. Good succinct comments ;-)

Here's a pic of Milarepa :

http://www.shambhala.org.uk/images/milarepa.jpg

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8499623/Milarepa

Padmasambhava :

http://www.gomdeusa.org/photoalbum/spec ... adrama.jpg

Nagarjuna :

http://soraj.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/nagarjuna2.jpg

One of my teachers :

http://www.sakya.net/assets/images/Ludi ... he-225.jpg

another teacher : (HH Sakya Trizin)

http://www.sakya.net/assets/images/HH-S ... -24002.jpg

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:50 pm

Dan Rowden wrote:If only they could make my bank account bigger, then I'd believe!!!!!

if you are serious/sincere ....i wouldn't put anything past them...even blessing you with a bigger bank account..
...they use these powers especially to make belivers out of people...

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:53 pm

This is one of my favorite books :

http://www.keithdowman.net/books/bme.htm

Robert Beers did all the exquisite artwork

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:12 pm

Interesting info about yogic powers :

http://www.bipinjoshi.com/articles/61d3 ... 13b39.aspx

also will add...2,000 years ago did they think watching TV or anything we do today would be possible ?
Yogis are very advanced/evolved...

Animus · Post by **Animus** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:19 pm

You'd probably benefit from Keith Loy's Finding Reality: Awakening to Spiritual Freedom, Kunga. Loy claims to have been a "Yogi" for several years. His book is more-or-less about how all that is a "sideshow" distraction from reality. But in all honesty, Jed McKenna's books say a lot more and are closer to the truth in my opinion.

http://www.amazon.ca/Finding-Reality-Aw ... 478&sr=8-1

Kunga · Post by **Kunga** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:00 am

Thankyou...i jotted this down...will start with Barnes & Nobel :) (i don't have a credit card to order online )
it really sounds like a good book !

gonna check out Jed McKenna too....

_/\_

DHodges · Post by **DHodges** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:19 am

There is no need to "explain" impossible things that don't happen.

Kunga, you are a sucker.

Carl G · Post by **Carl G** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:05 am

There is no need to "explain" impossible things that don't happen.

DHodges,

True. Which things do you refer to, exactly, that don't happen? And how do you know, exactly?

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