Trying again after last whole response was deleted. -.-
Only Christian morality holds that minimizing suffering is good; happiness and suffering are actually directly proportional, something that most people these days don't realize. Overcoming suffering is different than minimizing it. Look at today's generation for example -- our parents tried to minimize our suffering and now lots of us desire more than anything else to suffer. As for the strong conscience to discern right and wrong... what is right and what is wrong???It is inherently good to minimize suffering, and keep a balance on the planet. If you are unwilling to recognize the importance of developing a strong conscience capable of determining right and wrong then I’m at a loss.
Detachment isn't actually possible. Nor is "beyond detachment".NM: To understand something one must be detached from it.
RR: A rational person is beyond detachment, he is in a psychological state where there is no separation between the observer and the observed. There is no self there to be detached. Detachment implies a self that has detached itself.
Too bad we can't go beyond consciousness to test this assertion.RR: Rational is just a dead word. A pointer. All words are just symbols, maps to point to something, however all things are created as a function of consciousness, it is a function of consciousness to divide reality into things, but there are really no things there.
Intelligence is the ability to learn. It often results in preventing unnecessary suffering. Whether suffering is necessary or not depends on whether or not avoiding it would compromise the goal. Suffering is very much a part of life and happiness.NM: So the point to your life is to experience this emptiness? Why why why? My hypothesis: you are afraid to suffer or running away from suffering. How do you do this? By detaching and becoming completely rational and basking in "nothingness" until you die and can join with the true nothingness.
RR: Intelligence implies the ability to prevent suffering. If one is suffering, this is usually an indication that a stupid action has occurred. Suffering is an indicator to tell the spiritual seeker what not to do. For instance: Romantic relationships involve a lot of unnecessary suffering because they are based on emotional attachment, which is one of the more stupid actions to take in a spiritual context.
Much more "fair" and "just", to use some moral human terms, than any other animals I see on this planet. There's no pleasing you though, there must always be something else to blame and despise for your suffering.Civilization is not a fair and just place at the moment.
The weak and sick around the globe are with you on this. Let us overthrow the masters and achieve universal contentment!Work conditions are horrid, and humans have no sensitivity for the suffering of others, essentially people's lack of conscience prevents work conditions from becoming more fair.
Their fault. If they weren't so inferior you could tolerate them.If humans had better developed consciences then perhaps a sensitive intelligent individual like myself could tolerate working in the society.
How is it the most important responsibility to perfect one's mind? Did God... I mean Truth... command this of every mortal? I also can't see how perfecting one's mind has more "worth" than doing something for society. Surely this is the most selfish thing I've heard yet from you, and irrational too, to view life as though it is all about you!NM: The sage loves having no responsibilities or troubles and being detached from everything. Is this not the same as a dead man?
RR: Yes, he is literally a dead man, that is the essence of enlightenment, dying to the world. The most important responsibility one has is to perfect ones own mind, this activity has much more worth than dedicating oneself to doing some tedious task for society for years and years.
Sure sounds harsh and horrible. You must be doing a great thing by venturing into this cold! Not. We both know that you couldn't do any other! Stop trying to make it sound so herioc to run away from suffering.NM: I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to discover and become enchanted by what you guys are teaching here. :(
RR: There is nothing to be enchanted by here. The truth is cold, stark, and shocking to the ego’s pleasures and comforts.
There is no "beyond the worldly realm". Nietzsche describes 'emptiness' as some mystical unity with God -- very apt here isn't it. :)We are genetically programmed to be ignorantly happy behaving like animals, but the spiritual man is beyond the worldly realm altogether.
Yes I agree. And then there are some men to the opposite extreme who are so scared of women, adventure, ... suffering... that they will do everything short of commit suicide to escape living.Most men are so enchanted and addicted to a woman’s pleasure that to even consider the idea is so frightening that they automatically dismiss the idea as outlandish.
"The devil runs the world. We few ones are not fooled though! God/Truth is our savior and all who disagree will never see heaven as we holy ones do!"The world is run by women, not men. Men are blindly and ambitiously enslaved to her feminine desires, men do everything for her. All his actions are to please his woman, and the femininity within himself.
We all know there is no God. Even Truth is not infallible, almighty, worthy of worship, infinite, full of grace, endowing with perfection, etc.Most men move in the total opposite direction of god.
Dubious claim. Also what is inherently wrong with dishonesty? Does it feel icky? does God say no? does Truth's holy spirit not enter the hearts of men who are possessed by this demon?Essentially men live for pleasure, not truth. And that is what makes all men dishonest.
Will to power. Humans are just more advanced version of baboons. You are scared of being a wild animal (you who desire to tame everything) and you are scared to have power. Therefore you preach death.They desire to accumulate more wealth, power and recognition to please women, wars are fought over women, men go to bars and spend thousands of dollars for women, they work jobs they hate to please women, they get in loads of debt to buy fast cars and over-sized houses to please women, almost everything a man does is to secure his sex with women. He behaves like a total baboon.
To your sage having a purpose in life is a tragedy just as it is to a Christian. One must abandon all worldliness and embrace the infinite nothingness to live a truly meaningful life........ or so the weak convinces himself that he is actually the strong.So men sacrifice their entire lives for the lie that is woman, and their lives and deaths are a tragedy in the eyes of a sage.