Why is truth?

Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment.
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Anti-christ,

Until you define what you mean by "God" and "truth" it is impossible to enter into a discussion with you.

If you're not sure about these concepts, you could instead tell us why you have called yourself "Anti-christ".

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Anti-christ wrote:Right. So I have a few skeletons in my closet.
Bitter is sweet, thank goodness!!!

Now, how about this for your fancy pancies, can you count how many colors you can visualize each day out? Can you ever in your daily lives just for a moment forget about time? Is there truth spoken in this class room full of masters or is it all just a bunch of lunacy???
Actually, it's mostly lunacy, a bunch of insecure pseudointellectuals who destroy all meaning and context when they get in a jam, retreating from reality in a self- stymying cloud of zealous nihilism. But I make a lot of sense. Stay tuned.

I forget about time every 3 to 7 minutes.
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millipodium wrote:insecure pseudointellectuals who destroy all meaning and context when they get in a jam, retreating from reality in a self- stymying cloud of zealous nihilism.
Oddly enough, that describes you perfectly. Are you sure you are not projecting..

If that's your game, it's getting more than a little old.
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prince wrote:
millipodium wrote:insecure pseudointellectuals who destroy all meaning and context when they get in a jam, retreating from reality in a self- stymying cloud of zealous nihilism.
Oddly enough, that describes you perfectly. Are you sure you are not projecting..

If that's your game, it's getting more than a little old.
Good one, prince. You have all the wit of a third grader in special ed., reading slightly below grade level.
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To tell you the truth my concepts aren't original. Cause and effect has it. Horoscopes call my shots. Don't need to expand since Y=mc3. Generally, logic is a path I choose not to endow in since it is so meaningless, leaving me in a cube. Male genes are what X. And, female Y? Why is this? Simple...Whatch the X genes form a + turned at a vertical and Y -<.

Your eyes, you wear, can be very deceiving.
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Antichrist wrote
Watch the X genes form a + turned at a vertical and Y -<
And so are you trying to tilt X & Y in a way that makes for some cave man drawing symbolizing sex?

If not, I don't get it.
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is logic here before everything, or was it created?
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Loof wrote:
is logic here before everything, or was it created?
You are assuming that there was a time before everything.

What I mean is, maybe there is only everything, and never such thing as nothing.

then you might ask, before creatures were created, was there logic?

I would say no, because logic implies consciousness.

However, I encourage you to try and find reasons why consciousness existed before life(creatures) did.
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Cory Duchesne wrote:Loof wrote:
is logic here before everything, or was it created?
You are assuming that there was a time before everything.

What I mean is, maybe there is only everything, and never such thing as nothing.

then you might ask, before creatures were created, was there logic?

I would say no, because logic implies consciousness.

However, I encourage you to try and find reasons why consciousness existed before life(creatures) did.
Cory. You never satisfactorily explained why it's rational to do well on a test. Are trying to survive or something? Have you fallen under the illusion that the future is real? Oh no!
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Cory. You never satisfactorily explained why it's rational to do well on a test.
Why don't you go back, re-read the thread where I talked about the test, and then continue the debate there.
Are trying to survive or something? Have you fallen under the illusion that the future is real? Oh no!
When and where did I say anything about not bothering with survival?

On the contrary, everything I have to say is infinitely practical when it comes to survival.

Emotions have outlived their usefulness, and are currently threatening our survival.

check this out:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/podcast/t ... 061019.mp3
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Cory,
I'm not getting the link to work - is it the link or my computer?
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nevemind - it's audio only. Turning the speakers on helped.
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It's the GENIUS FORUM, after all!
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Cory Duchesne wrote:
Cory. You never satisfactorily explained why it's rational to do well on a test.
Why don't you go back, re-read the thread where I talked about the test, and then continue the debate there.
Something about inculcating children to accept their insignificance?
Are trying to survive or something? Have you fallen under the illusion that the future is real? Oh no!
When and where did I say anything about not bothering with survival?

On the contrary, everything I have to say is infinitely practical when it comes to survival.

Emotions have outlived their usefulness, and are currently threatening our survival.

check this out:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/podcast/t ... 061019.mp3
Absolutely wrong. Our emotions are crucial to our survival. Of course AT TIMES they need to be moderated with meditation techniques. This does not mean all of emotions have outlived their usefulness. You're woefully misguided.

Somewhere you've been infected with pro death propaganda, and you defend it emotionally.
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Cory. I'm not downloading a 17 mg file of crap. Just sum it up, please, unless of course, summarization is a dishonest manipulation, in denial of the principle of totality.
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mil: I'm not downloading a 17 mg file of crap. Just sum it up, please, unless of course, summarization is a dishonest manipulation, in denial of the principle of totality.
For the last 15 minutes, they have been talking about global warming, water, and recycling.
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Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:
mil: I'm not downloading a 17 mg file of crap. Just sum it up, please, unless of course, summarization is a dishonest manipulation, in denial of the principle of totality.
For the last 15 minutes, they have been talking about global warming, water, and recycling.
Right. It all fits together; people are to be told they are insignificant, so they will agree to have their own resource usage, and hence, population, curtailed by international law. Self hate, justifying a slow strangulation. Noble?
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Right. It all fits together; people are to be told they are insignificant, so they will agree to have their own resource usage, and hence, population, curtailed by international law. Self hate, justifying a slow strangulation. Noble?
The point is, is that people think that their petty ego's are so significant, that they refuse to acknowledge the destruction of the thing that they depend on for survival.

And why are humans destroying the thing that they depend on to survive?

For the same reason that a drug addict will destroy his body and mind.

And why does a drug addict destory his body and mind?

Because he so full of emotion. He can't acknowledge that what he thinks is important is paltry. If he did, he would live less emotionally and more rationally.

Pettiness, small mindedness. That's the problem.

What causes pettiness and small mindeness I wonder?
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Cory Duchesne wrote:
Right. It all fits together; people are to be told they are insignificant, so they will agree to have their own resource usage, and hence, population, curtailed by international law. Self hate, justifying a slow strangulation. Noble?
The point is, is that people think that their petty ego's are so significant, that they refuse to acknowledge the destruction of the thing that they depend on for survival.
But you people are using the environment to justify your own paranoid population control schemes. You Satanic new world orderers. Yes, You, cory.


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And why are humans destroying the thing that they depend on to survive?

For the same reason that a drug addict will destroy his body and mind.

And why does a drug addict destory his body and mind?

Because he so full of emotion. He can't acknowledge that what he thinks is important is paltry. If he did, he would live less emotionally and more rationally.

Pettiness, small mindedness. That's the problem.

What causes pettiness and small mindeness I wonder?
You refuse to differentiate between positive and negative emotion. It could be healthy self love of wanting to survive which could cause him to want to kick the habit, by analyzing his emotions, figuring out what's wrong, and fixing it. The "I AM NOTHING" theory of enlightenment (nihilism) you espouse, doesn't help him. In fact, it makes him more despondent. You have obviously never had much pain or many problems to be this confused.
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Cory Duchesne wrote: What causes pettiness and small mindeness I wonder?
Shallowness from a lack of deep experiences, or at least sufficient exposure to them.

Failure to understand the bigger perspective, perhaps from failure to open one's mind to other paradigms or inability due to mental deficiency

Selfishness/greed

A lack of love and compassion for others
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Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:
A lack of love and compassion for others
Is it love or compassion that motivates people to lecture others about their own insignificance?
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Emotional extremes are not good, including the extreme of attempting non-emotion. Natural non-emotional states such as shock or numbness have specific functions. Neutralish emotions are good (emotions such as serenity of peaceful). I am not finding any benefit to imposed numbness. Poor concentration, insomnia, and lack of motivation seem to be the biggest issues at this point, although there were worse pointsearlier in the experiment. I think this is day 6 of the experiment including the warm-up day, day 5 since the official start. No, I have not been perfect at being able to remove all emotions since the official start, though right now I'm pretty numb. It could just be the insomnia though.
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millipodium wrote:
Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:
A lack of love and compassion for others
Is it love or compassion that motivates people to lecture others about their own insignificance?
Some parents take the phrase "beating the hell out of children" literally. They actually think that is how to raise good children. Maybe some children do need a spanking, whereas it has been found harmful in most cases. Some people operate best from the paradigm that they are insignificant, whereas that thought taken to heart by someone else would be more like permission for suicide. The big mistake is in thinking everyone is the same. We are not.
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Emotions are reactions to focus us on actions and thoughts which will enhance our survival. They're an inborn protection mechanism.

New World Order totalitarians hate emotions, because HUMAN LOVE is an impediment to their satanic plans for the planet. SO that's the deal with that.

Does cory believe in positive emotions?
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Cory: The point is, is that people think that their petty ego's are so significant, that they refuse to acknowledge the destruction of the thing that they depend on for survival.

Milli: But you people are using the environment to justify your own paranoid population control schemes. You Satanic new world orderers. Yes, You, cory.
Population control schemes? Sorry I don’t deal in those. For you to think so only reveals your own paranoia, not mine.

I am using the environment as an example, to show how insane humanity is. Stupidity is a bad habit. Excellency is a good habit. Humanity for the most part is defined by what are essentially bad, stupid habits. And the extremity of your conservatism Milli is imbecilic.
Cory: And why are humans destroying the thing that they depend on to survive? For the same reason that a drug addict will destroy his body and mind. And why does a drug addict destory his body and mind?
Because he so full of emotion. He can't acknowledge that what he thinks is important is paltry. If he did, he would live less emotionally and more rationally. Pettiness, small mindedness. That's the problem. What causes pettiness and small mindeness I wonder?


Milli: You refuse to differentiate between positive and negative emotion.
It’s a bit superfluous to do so, since the negative and the positive are rooted in each other. For instance, the positive emotion that you derive from your beliefs create the negative emotions/fear that you feel when you come face to face with that which is in opposition to your beliefs.
It could be healthy self love of wanting to survive which could cause him to want to kick the habit, by analyzing his emotions, figuring out what's wrong, and fixing it.
Personal survival really isn’t as difficult as you make it out to be. I agree that collectively we are not doing a very good job of suriviving right now, but on a personal level, one person shouldn’t have too much trouble supporting themselves given that they don't blow their money on drugs, luxury, gambling and the like. It’s when you have a family that things get tricky too. You end up having mouths to feed. So personal survivial is not big deal. The problem lies in the inner poverty & anxiety of the individual who wants to cover over his inner poverty by indulging in the vanity and animalism of producing children and social climbing(which can manifest in various ways).
Milli: The "I AM NOTHING" theory of enlightenment (nihilism) you espouse, doesn't help him. In fact, it makes him more despondent. You have obviously never had much pain or many problems to be this confused.
You have a shallow understanding of depression and mental illness I guess.

Mental problems are the result of two extremes of abusive parenting. One way of abusive parenting involves spoiling, giving excessive affection/comfort and aggrandizing the children, and the opposite involves deprecating, depriving and physically & verbally hurting the children. Why do these two forms of abuse happen? The parents aggrandize a particular part of reality, making it lop-sided and crooked. Thus, lop-sided and crooked humans are the result.
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