The Cogs Of The Sentient Clock.

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I put this thread here so that I can link to it more easily.

I don't think that our lives are predetermined. I have looked at particles that can be utilised by our own sentience at such a speed that according to nature they are in two states at once.

A spinning particle is a cog. We spin the cog sentiently. The cog can turn clockwise or anti-clockwise. I think we use this cog to begin our physical thought process.

Read this......

"spooky action at a distance,"
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/133quantum_leap/

Then I need to say that the cause of the spin in the particle was created by observation. However, there was no cause for the direction of the spin. The direction of the spin was a decision made by the particle itself. Now this decision is somehow connected with sentiency. We need to find out exactly what sentiency is, because here we have a case where observation is transmitted as a form of perpetual motion. A spin without energy transmission. When I touch my nose, I could infact say that I am observing my own particles to make them rotate, to open gates that control the flow of electrons. The movement could just be based on the initial spin direction which was observed in the physical test in the link. If these particles have no history, and only become active through observation, and observation is based in the present then you could say that sentiency is to be aware of the present, and only live in the present.

Now to carry this a bit further.. light is another element that requires observation to become active. Observation is a sentient force, but light is reaching the Earth from a distance that is so far away that the light is reaching Earth before sentient life lived here. This is a case for sentience from something other than molecular life forms. How low level can sentience get? So I observe the particle, and maybe pass my sentience to the particle so that it can make a decision of which way to spin.

according to the thread, the particle was spinning in both directions at once, a sort of .. no state. And as soon as it was observed it took a state. The opposite state was passed to its twin faster than the speed of light.. infact.. instantly. Now, a decision that is instant, is surely what we search for with sentience, and surely has no time for cause to take place. Anyway it is interesting, so I have made a little picture for what I call sentience...

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Two states for every passage of time. It breaks the linear universe way of thinking.
Sentience is its own cause. Sentience pushes the car, but nothing pushes sentience. when we observe a particle, we are the observer. Nobody else is observing the particle. Therefore, we have our own sentience, which should also be able to have effects on the particles in our own brain. I presume that the particles in our brain are rotated similar to the experiment. Maybe to create gateways for the electrons to pass through...Instantly!


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The leaf floats down from a tree, obeying the cause, and effects of nature. I can grab the leaf using sentience, and alter the linear state of the leaf's path, and break the linear state of the universe. I know this because Time gives me two options during every tick of nature's clock. I know this because a particle can be in two states during any tick of nature's clock, and I can utilise this particle through observation, and I can do it instantly.

Now you can rewind nature's tapes, and you will not get the same outcome a before. The spinning particles can go anti-clockwise whereas before they went clockwise.

If sentience recieves repetative information, as an effect of its cause, the spinning particles will also revert back to their initial repetative 0/1 dual state. This means that we need to percieve new experiences for as long as possible in our lives. Else we revert back to a state of nature. Where nature takes over our bodies, and we become a sort of zombie, that lives the repetition without aid from sentience. Like a tiger pacing up, and down its cage. The brain has developed its own protection about reverting back to nature. It gives us an interest in entertainment, and a pain from certain things like boredom.
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Ignis Fatuus wrote:Here, read this:

http://members.optushome.com.au/davidqu ... ntents.htm
I've read that... can't find any truth in it.

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pincho paxton,
I've read that... can't find any truth in it.
Funny, I can't find any truth in what you wrote.
Make your own mind up, if you have one to make up.
Just did. Your turn...
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Funny, I can't find any truth in what you wrote.
What? Even though I linked to real experiments? You can't really say there is no truth in a scientific experiment. Otherwise you believe in nothing at all. What I wrote contains 90% of the experiments. So you should at least believe 90%.
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Pincho Paxton wrote:Then I need to say that the cause of the spin in the particle was created by observation. However, there was no cause for the direction of the spin. The direction of the spin was a decision made by the particle itself. Now this decision is somehow connected with sentiency.
Truly, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

The spin of a particle, as far as we know, is determined when it interacts with another particle in such a way that the interaction forces it to have a definite state. We don't know exactly why it might end up with a plus spin or a minus spin; however, not knowing the cause is very different from saying there is no cause. It seems pretty obvious that something must cause it, although that cause may not be open to our observation. The connection to sentience is completely spurious.

My brother was telling me about his dogs. They would find a certain spot, and run back and forth, for no reason he could see. Then in winter, there was a dusting of snow and he could see that they would actually follow deer prints - they just couldn't tell which way the deer was heading. There was a cause - he just couldn't see it previously.

Sentience seems to be an emergent phenomenon. There is no smallest bit, a quantum of sentience. It is something that arises in extremely complex systems. More complex biological systems can have a greater degree of sentience than simpler systems.
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Yeah, it's like weather. There's no weather particle. That would be awesome though, wouldn't it?
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We don't know exactly why it might end up with a plus spin or a minus spin; however, not knowing the cause is very different from saying there is no cause. It seems pretty obvious that something must cause it, although that cause may not be open to our observation. The connection to sentience is completely spurious.
I will say why I connect it with sentience, and that's all I can do.

1/ Their is a choice to be made, a decision. Clockwise or anti-clockwise. Decision seems to imply sentience.
2/ The No state is broken, and there seems to be no reason for it. The universe would require a no state to be broken to get itself moving. This would require a very first decision. Being as sentience has no force before it, it pushes the car, then the very first decision for the universe to get moving is most likely sentience. And the very first thing to move would be a particle. Therefore the two are linked in examples 1/ and 2/
3/ Our brain contains particles. If you could switch the direction, or change a particles in the brain in some other way, you can create gates, or switch them on to fire electrons. so 1/ 2/ and 3/ are now all linked.
4/ We have a strange concept built into our brains to always look for something entertaining to do, to feel alive, to enjoy life. We fall asleep if we get bored. We can pace a room, or just become a rocking loonatic. Like we need to feed the sentience. If sentience can change a state from a no state, then a loss of sentience would probably return the no state. And nature would just keep us moving without reason.

I could probably add a few more things here, but feel that I have typed enough.
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Pincho Paxton wrote:1/ Their is a choice to be made, a decision. Clockwise or anti-clockwise. Decision seems to imply sentience.
You are projecting human things onto subatomic particles. An electron doesn't decide to be in a particular state; it just is in some state (and/or superposition of states).

Do you think a photon might prefer a clockwise spin or be in the mood for a certain kind of polarization? No, such things are only meaningful relative to some frame of reference and measurement. They are not inherent in the particle. It is a relationship that is being measured.
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You are projecting human things onto subatomic particles.
Not really. I am projecting a decision. A cat is not human, but has sentience. C'mon this is just a 2 choice decision. It probably takes a few thousand decisions to move my leg.
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All you seem to be doing is characterising any cause/effect relation as a choice/decision.
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If the observable Universe is limited in size but not limited in the amount of time its been around, then there is also a limited number of configurations it can arrange itself in. This would also mean there have been an infinite number of me, an infinite number of you, an infinite number of Genius Forums, and numerous worlds almost identical to the way things are right now except for a particle or two in different spots. Hmmm...
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Pincho...

How does this decision connect to will? Can you go against it? Decide otherwise?
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tooyi wrote:Pincho...

How does this decision connect to will? Can you go against it? Decide otherwise?
Yes because of the dual state. Two states at the same time. Means that you could go back in time and use the other state instead. Which breaks the linear universe theory.
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Um, no it doesn't. Changing your mind doesn't require going back in time at all. I don't know where you get such notions.
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Dan Rowden wrote:All you seem to be doing is characterising any cause/effect relation as a choice/decision.
Things bumping into each other are not a choice, or decision...etc. Nature is still nature. A leaf still falls using nature.. unless we grab it using sentience.
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Dan Rowden wrote:Um, no it doesn't. Changing your mind doesn't require going back in time at all. I don't know where you get such notions.
I think we were talking about the linear universe theory. Not changing your mind later on. But changing your mind at the same instance in time is important to breaking the theory that all things are a video recording.
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Nick Treklis wrote:If the observable Universe is limited in size but not limited in the amount of time its been around, then there is also a limited number of configurations it can arrange itself in. This would also mean there have been an infinite number of me, an infinite number of you, an infinite number of Genius Forums, and numerous worlds almost identical to the way things are right now except for a particle or two in different spots. Hmmm...
Actually, not sure if I believe in this theory.
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So what happens when there are two interested parties willing the opposite for the same particle?

Or is it a democracy?
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tooyi wrote:So what happens when there are two interested parties willing the opposite for the same particle?

Or is it a democracy?
I think the particles just make a choice of any kind. The ones in our brain are boxed in, can't be observed so easily, by others, and you would have to break the brain to get to them, which wouldn't really get it working by another party. And I'm not sure. My theory is still in its infancy.
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Well, that is quite some Zen particle, indeed.

I think you ought to read David Deutsch's The Fabric of Reality regarding multiverse, or some introduction to multiple minds ideas of the same thing. To get a kick out of it the least...
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Instantaneous transfer of information between the particles in our brains, and those that make up the hidden void (what's outside of our minds).

Explains altered states of consciousness, mystical revelation, ESP . . .

From experience, while studying the mu koan (Zen), I began experiencing my dreams (via abstraction) during waking hours. This either means that our minds while asleep receive information from what lies beyond, or it creates from within.
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Hey, how'd you...

What brain circuit are you running?

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tooyi wrote:Well, that is quite some Zen particle, indeed.

I think you ought to read David Deutsch's The Fabric of Reality regarding multiverse, or some introduction to multiple minds ideas of the same thing. To get a kick out of it the least...
I haven't read that book, but have read about multiple dimensions that all have different cause, and effect. I don't believe it, I don't see a neccessity for it in life, and nature. Plus I have some idea what life, and death are, and my ideas require a single life experience before death.
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"Quantum Entanglement"
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