"So if we asume I am a pedestrian wanting to take not of each step he takes and philosophize about it (in contrast with speculate). How then would you side step the meditation proces?"
This makes no sense to me. Please re-phrase.
m
Ego Dynamics
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JustinZijlstra
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Re: Ego Dynamics
mikiel wrote:"So if we asume I am a pedestrian wanting to take not of each step he takes and philosophize about it (in contrast with speculate). How then would you side step the meditation proces?"
This makes no sense to me. Please re-phrase.
m
Ok.
I meant: I want to learn by thinking mostly because this is my passion.
Sometimes I meditate but I think I am at a point in meditation where I need to catch up with thought.
So essentially: What methods do you think will lead to enlightenment through thought? (The Nagarjuna Way?)
Regards!
Justin
Re: Ego Dynamics
"So essentially: What methods do you think will lead to enlightenment through thought?"
None.
Enlightenment encompasses consciousness transcending all objects in consciousness, as I've said above. Merrell-Wolff has written a masterpiece on awakening into awareness beyond its content... ultimately realizing That Which'Whom is One in all as Omnipresent Identity.
If, as I said, you are looking to substitute new programs for old ones, this is not enlightenment and will only make you a newer model human robot (the "new improved version of 'myself.'") If you will settle for that... 'nuff said for my part.
mikiel
None.
Enlightenment encompasses consciousness transcending all objects in consciousness, as I've said above. Merrell-Wolff has written a masterpiece on awakening into awareness beyond its content... ultimately realizing That Which'Whom is One in all as Omnipresent Identity.
If, as I said, you are looking to substitute new programs for old ones, this is not enlightenment and will only make you a newer model human robot (the "new improved version of 'myself.'") If you will settle for that... 'nuff said for my part.
mikiel
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JustinZijlstra
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Re: Ego Dynamics
Ok. I agree with this.mikiel wrote:"So essentially: What methods do you think will lead to enlightenment through thought?"
None.
Enlightenment encompasses consciousness transcending all objects in consciousness, as I've said above. Merrell-Wolff has written a masterpiece on awakening into awareness beyond its content... ultimately realizing That Which'Whom is One in all as Omnipresent Identity.
If, as I said, you are looking to substitute new programs for old ones, this is not enlightenment and will only make you a newer model human robot (the "new improved version of 'myself.'") If you will settle for that... 'nuff said for my part.
mikiel
So till how far can thought be used to induce higher awareness?
Re: Ego Dynamics
Justin,
Here is a link to the keynote address given by a friend of mine, Tom McFarlane at a seminar/convention on Merrell-Wolff...
"The Heart of Franklin Merrell-Wolff's Philosophy."
http://www.integralscience.org/wolffsheart.htm
Here is an excerpt from 2/3 down the page:
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Opening to Nirvanic Thought
When the activity of conception creates the primary universe of thinkable objects, the ineffable Nirvanic complement is implicitly present. It is this non-objective complement to the objective concept that carries the Transcendental Meaning. Wolff provides us with several pointers to help us open up to this Meaning behind mystical Thought. When reading mystic writers, for example, Wolff tells us:
The reading should be done without strained effort in the intellectual sense. The reader should let a sort of current flow into and through him, and not feel troubled as to whether he has understood anything or not, at the time. He may feel, or deeply cognize, something though he may be unable to say what it is. …He will return to the same Fount again and again, and presently, from out of Inner Meaning, understanding will begin to blossom in him. …He will enter into Communion on the level of a new kind of Language. (Experience, p. 50)
Thus, opening up to the noetic Meaning beyond concepts is analogous to opening up to the aesthetic Beauty beyond poetry, music, or art. Just as the Beauty of music or poetry can evoke a directly experienced meaning that escapes any kind of definitive analysis, Transcendental Thought can evoke a noetic response that goes beyond the mere conceptual definitions of words. And, just as a strained effort to analyze a poem will veil its Beauty, so also a strained effort to intellectually grasp mystical writings will hide the Inner Meaning. Instead, we should read the words of the mystics as we listen to a symphony, behold a sunset, or read poetry. Relax, let go of the effort to know the meaning, and instead simply allow the implicit Meaning to be intuitively felt. Although at first we may have only the faintest whiff, if we return again and again, the understanding will blossom.
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mikiel
Here is a link to the keynote address given by a friend of mine, Tom McFarlane at a seminar/convention on Merrell-Wolff...
"The Heart of Franklin Merrell-Wolff's Philosophy."
http://www.integralscience.org/wolffsheart.htm
Here is an excerpt from 2/3 down the page:
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Opening to Nirvanic Thought
When the activity of conception creates the primary universe of thinkable objects, the ineffable Nirvanic complement is implicitly present. It is this non-objective complement to the objective concept that carries the Transcendental Meaning. Wolff provides us with several pointers to help us open up to this Meaning behind mystical Thought. When reading mystic writers, for example, Wolff tells us:
The reading should be done without strained effort in the intellectual sense. The reader should let a sort of current flow into and through him, and not feel troubled as to whether he has understood anything or not, at the time. He may feel, or deeply cognize, something though he may be unable to say what it is. …He will return to the same Fount again and again, and presently, from out of Inner Meaning, understanding will begin to blossom in him. …He will enter into Communion on the level of a new kind of Language. (Experience, p. 50)
Thus, opening up to the noetic Meaning beyond concepts is analogous to opening up to the aesthetic Beauty beyond poetry, music, or art. Just as the Beauty of music or poetry can evoke a directly experienced meaning that escapes any kind of definitive analysis, Transcendental Thought can evoke a noetic response that goes beyond the mere conceptual definitions of words. And, just as a strained effort to analyze a poem will veil its Beauty, so also a strained effort to intellectually grasp mystical writings will hide the Inner Meaning. Instead, we should read the words of the mystics as we listen to a symphony, behold a sunset, or read poetry. Relax, let go of the effort to know the meaning, and instead simply allow the implicit Meaning to be intuitively felt. Although at first we may have only the faintest whiff, if we return again and again, the understanding will blossom.
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mikiel