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I believe that I read somewhere that wisdom is only attainable for those who are born in the human realms, but it seems to me that the qualities of sages are more akin to the descriptions of the suras, in the realms of the warring gods. The warring gods, the suras and the asuras, have stronger mental abilities (think more clearly, intuit better, etc.) than those in the human realms. This seems more like a description of a sage than just the ability to be reasoned with.

Although the asuras have such things as jealousy, the suras have happiness, superior abilities, and more material resources than the asuras (presumably, the material resources are a result of their superior mental abilities).

The QRS describe the sage as emotionless rather than happy, and essentially destitute materially. With material resources comes the responsibility for those resources, but I would think that a wise person would be able to handle the responsibility. I would also think a wise person could have happiness (not be giddy or otherwise stagnated or misdirected by too intense of a happiness - just a mellow kind of happy) and be wise enough to handle that responsibly as well.

So why would a sage have to be limited to the human realm, and not be more like a sura?

Elizabeth. Our insititutions of higher learning have been hijacked by enemies of the society, who posit nihilism, self-hate, and ultimately incoherene and babble as the highest good. Hence, the phenomena you describe above occur, as destruction becomes a stealth surrogate for actual success.

, but it seems to me that the qualities of sages are more akin to the descriptions of the suras, in the realms of the warring gods. The warring gods, the suras and the asuras, have stronger mental abilities (think more clearly, intuit better, etc.) than those in the human realms. This seems more like a description of a sage than just the ability to be reasoned with.

Sages begin in the human realms, but go through god realms of a sort on their way towards Buddhahood.

So why would a sage have to be limited to the human realm, and not be more like a sura?

"Human realm" does not equate with human beings. Very few human beings are truly human. Most people are animals, or in the hell realms, or in the realms of the "hungry ghosts".

Kevin Solway wrote:"Human realm" does not equate with human beings. Very few human beings are truly human. Most people are animals, or in the hell realms, or in the realms of the "hungry ghosts".

Yeah, I got that part already. Such is what makes the statement "men are animals" largely true.

Kevin Solway wrote:Sages begin in the human realms, but go through god realms of a sort on their way towards Buddhahood.

Although there is a good amount written on the asuras, I could find very little on the suras. I see why the asuras wage war on the suras, but it seems to me that the suras do not retalialte; they merely proliferate their accoutrements and prevent unearned gains by the asuras. I do not see that anyone in the Buddhahood would allow anyone to take advantage of a buddha - or more accuratly, that anyone could take advantage of a buddha (although some may try). So in what way is Buddhahood different from a sura?
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Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:So in what way is Buddhahood different from a sura?.

A sura doesn't have the wisdom of a Buddha. A sura may not even have the intention to become wise.

Tiger Woods, for example, or the Michael Jordan of old, on their best days, may be suras. Nobody else can touch them.

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Here Transcrix, this is a starting point:
"Stages of the Way" - a chapter from Kevin Solway's "Poison for the Heart"

Thanks.

Hmmmm... why do you think it is better to be beyond the human realm than it is to be within it?

I believe the deities you speak of are largely unconscious archetypes, although simultaneously they are also individual entities, personifications of natural principles of universal creation.

I think to be a deity like this is very limited. I like to use the example of an angel in this case... no two angels may never share the same mission, as two angels with the same mission would be one angel.. and each angel has their own proper single mission. They are restricted to their respective mission, albeit they do what they do very well. :)

Down here our limits are our powers... and the physical realm would not exist were there not benefits to it that other realms do not provide. I look at it in the sense that power is more difficult to attain down here, although there is greater ultimate potential in terms of the power one may attain while retaining their proper individuality.

Of course, I'm not saying you can become truly powerful if you're evil for example, it just doesn't work that way, so there are still laws to work with. But we can actually create new archetypes representing principles of universal creation or syntheses of various principles, so that we can be responsible for this archetype and help facilitate healthy evolution and balance and harmony. For instance I strive to revive the phoenix archetype (it is intermittent ;)), hence my name, and hence many of my spiritual aspirations.

Transcix wrote:Hmmmm... why do you think it is better to be beyond the human realm than it is to be within it?

It depends on your definition of "human realm".

As I define it, it is a realm of ignorance. Note that it falls within the realms of desire (from the above link).

I think to be a deity like this is very limited.

Indeed it is. Take Michael Jordon for example. A fantastic basketballer. A decent golfer too. And rich. But what else?

[P.S. Would you mind making your icon a bit smaller. The forum software can't automatically resize them.]