Yes.Cory Duchesne wrote:Mill wrote,
I can?You can advocate divestment and embargo from china
Everyone you encounter.
To who?
Maybe. DO a search. Be an adult and take responsibility for advocating your own thoughts. Or are you a one trick pony who only does nihilism?
Is there some kind of rally taking place somewhere where we can all get to together and chant 'divestment and embargo from china'?
Maybe.
Is there some kind of petition for me to participate in?
Do you really think that I can personally do something to influence the people who regulate and modify the trade-policy of my country?I think intelligent pro-US survival trade policy would be sufficient. Without our billions in unconditional production orders, the totalitarians will implode on their own.
Yes. And yes. See the complacent zombie-like state this place puts you in? It won't be easy. Nothing worthwhile ever is.Cory Duchesne wrote:Do you really think that I can personally do something to influence the people who regulate and modify the trade-policy of my country?I think intelligent pro-US survival trade policy would be sufficient. Without our billions in unconditional production orders, the totalitarians will implode on their own.
Is that what you are advising me to do?
What are you doing to influence the people who regulate and modify the trade policy in your country? Give me details.Do you really think that I can personally do something to influence the people who regulate and modify the trade-policy of my country?
Is that what you are advising me to do?
Yes. And yes. See the complacent zombie-like state this place puts you in? It won't be easy. Nothing worthwhile ever is.
No.Cory Duchesne wrote:What are you doing to influence the people who regulate and modify the trade policy in your country? Give me details.Do you really think that I can personally do something to influence the people who regulate and modify the trade-policy of my country?
Is that what you are advising me to do?
Yes. And yes. See the complacent zombie-like state this place puts you in? It won't be easy. Nothing worthwhile ever is.
I'm guessing that's because you arent doing anything but ranting vainly on message boards?Cory: What are you doing to influence the people who regulate and modify the trade policy in your country? Give me details.
Milli: No.
I still want you to advocate against trade with china. WHy not try to stop the worst from happening, IN ADDITION to preparing for it. Afraid to take an unpopular stand? Coward.Cory Duchesne wrote:I'm guessing that's because you arent doing anything but ranting vainly on message boards?Cory: What are you doing to influence the people who regulate and modify the trade policy in your country? Give me details.
Milli: No.
Anyhow, I've done a search on Petitions and group rally's here in Nova Scotia.........not a whole lot going on here unfortunately.
My advice to you Mill is to do as I am doing and start working on the art of growing vegetables and perenial food producers.
If there is a huge economic depression than you are going to have a source of food and you will have the knowledge to help others produce their own as well.
This year I have grown enough potatoes, squash, turnips and tomatoes to last me all winter.
And it's only my second year gardening.
The city is a disease that has major roots feeding off China, other countries where there is child labor, and foolish and highly destructive methods of agriculture.
We need to put in the hard work and sacrifice required to establish food systems that are wise.
Even if you are like kevin Solway and only value the survival of wisdom, being able to provide yourself is wiser than depending on a food system potentially on the verge of collapse.
And you should make your own anti-china website, film yourself expressing your views (you have the personality for it), do college radio, go around announcing your views with one of those conical loud speakers, print your message on t-shirts, hats and buttons....I still want you to advocate against trade with china.
I might.Cory Duchesne wrote:And you should make your own anti-china website, film yourself expressing your views (you have the personality for it), do college radio, go around announcing your views with one of those conical loud speakers, print your message on t-shirts, hats and buttons....I still want you to advocate against trade with china.
I Believe in you Milli.
Now put that Bon Jovi song on repeat, crank it, up and get to work.
Do you want fries with that? And you believe that Cory, or anyone else, should take orders from you because why? Because you can't do it yourself? Because you won't? Because you think you're too special to have to carry out your own ideas?I still want you to advocate against trade with china.
I just think more people should be concerned about china. We're truly empowering evil when we empower them. What's your damage, Heather?Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:mil wrote:Do you want fries with that? And you believe that Cory, or anyone else, should take orders from you because why? Because you can't do it yourself? Because you won't? Because you think you're too special to have to carry out your own ideas?I still want you to advocate against trade with china.
This forum constantly fosters taking the position of Truth, as it is the only logical position to take.I know taking an actual position is not really respected in this forum's bizarro implementation of logic, but please be tolerant of the actually rational.
And in the meantime, we should stop enabling their totalitarian ways.Sue Hindmarsh wrote:millipodium wrote:
This forum constantly fosters taking the position of Truth, as it is the only logical position to take.I know taking an actual position is not really respected in this forum's bizarro implementation of logic, but please be tolerant of the actually rational.
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As far as China is concerned, being the most populous nation with one of the fastest growing economies puts it in a very powerful position. But there is a down side and that is they are also becoming one of the greatest polluters on the planet. As far as I can see, this mix could certainly mean drastic changes to the world order in the coming decades. It is already placing pressure on the planet’s environment, and will continue to do so as China powers forward in its industrialization.
China has a history of keeping to themselves and doing things their own way. Opening up their economy to compete with the rest of the world hasn’t aided the freeing up of their culture. They have been willing to glean the financial benefits from the West’s style of capitalism, but not the accompanying ideologies of democracy and freedom of speech. In the future they may well change their minds about this, but now they have no interest in joining the West in this way. At present, they are quite sure of their own cultural superiority, and confident about their growing economy.
Over twenty years ago I studied Chinese language, politics, history and culture because I thought this 'Sleeping Dragon' was going to be a major influence on Australia's future. This hasn't taken place as fast as I thought it would, but as history has taught us, "Every dog - and in this case 'Dragon' - has its day". So we'll just have to wait and see what unfolds.
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Sue
economic growth does not bring freedom, when freedom is not a value the leadership aspires to. They are MONOPOLY capitalists, fascists basically.Sue Hindmarsh wrote:Milli,
I just can’t take anything you say seriously. From what you have written, I’d say you’re just playing at being concerned for the people of China, for your real love is ‘grandstanding’.
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The only way that China is going to change politically is through economic growth.
They're using SLAVE LABOR! That is not a lifestyle improvement.
At present, their major concern is their growing unemployment rate. Engaging in trade agreements with many Western nations has provided them with the necessary raw materials from imports and profits from export of their home grown industries to stabilize their economy, and thereby provide their people with a higher standard of living.
And the western nations have made morally reprehensible choices, which will ultimately only empower and legitimize fascist totalitarianism. Why can't you see this? I am voicing my concerns.
Of course, countries such as Australia and the USA have profited out of these agreements – but along side this they have been given the opportunity to voice their concerns about China’s human rights violations.
They have made zero progress on this front. They are NOT changing. They are only working on new and improved ways to censor and control.
Whilst China remained closed off from the rest of the world, all attempts by the West to confront China on these issues has fallen on deaf ears. Even now, no one believes that China can be persuaded to change politically overnight – their culture is far too blinkered for that to happen, but given time and the level of economic growth expected, they will slowly but surely begin there own push into the 21st century.
Material things are not equal to personal freedom.
Imagine a billion people all wanting their own TV, DVD player, iPod, mobile phone, PC, fridge, washing machine, car, nicer home, better job, and cheaper electricity – and they all want them now! It is through these wants, and the need for political change to provide them, that nations are enabled to forge lasting political change.
We should not allow slave labor to exist a moment longer in the world economy. Remember when we boycotted South Africa to force and end to apartheid? we should do the same with china.
So the bottom line is – China will change when the circumstances are ripe for it to change, and not a moment sooner.
China is not our friend. And Amnesty international is a hippy freak organization. so, no thanks.-
Sue
p.s. There are organizations that you could join if you feel so inclined, such as Amnesty International or something like the China Friendship Society. And by the way – no, I’m not a member of either.
...then imagine if they find out that much of the rest of the world has unrestricted access to the internet. They might get online with the whole world wide web and suddenly realize that killing babies just because they are female is not a great solution - unless they spend too much time on misogyny sites, of course.Sue Hindmarsh wrote:Imagine a billion people all wanting their own TV, DVD player, iPod, mobile phone, PC, fridge, washing machine, car, nicer home, better job, and cheaper electricity
The chinese government censors the internet in china.Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:...then imagine if they find out that much of the rest of the world has unrestricted access to the internet. They might get online with the whole world wide web and suddenly realize that killing babies just because they are female is not a great solution - unless they spend too much time on misogyny sites, of course.Sue Hindmarsh wrote:Imagine a billion people all wanting their own TV, DVD player, iPod, mobile phone, PC, fridge, washing machine, car, nicer home, better job, and cheaper electricity
Who?millipodium wrote: Are you against abortion in general, or against it for the "wrong reasons"? Just curious.
