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Milli wrote:

What you call elitism is just nihilism and contempt for others.

Milli, my god, who on this board expresses disdain and contempt as frequently as you do?

Your responses are consistently hateful – you are full of contempt, not just with me, I’ve read the way you write to other people. Judging by your frequent out-bursts, I’d say you are a pretty hateful person.

Milli wrote:

You think you can end war if the world would just do what you say.

I never said anything about me ending war, nor do I recall being instructional towards others.

Your nazi thinking is the worst tyranny of all.

Hitler believed strongly in ideals, the existence of his self, he valued occult powers, and he believed that choice existed.

Whereas I believe ideals, the self, and choice are illusionary. And I don’t think occult powers are of much value.

Milli, you are probably more similar to Hitler than I am.

Hitler wouldnt be too impressed with me, but he probably wouldn't like you much either.

Milli wrote:

You're just an evil piece of shit.

That sounds like contempt to me. Your lack of composure, sophistication, and your apparent hypocrisy make you unconvincing to me. I value calm, logical debate/discussion. If you were even minded enough to value calm, logical debate/discussion as well, then perhaps you could win me over and show me the light.

But, with your quality of writing as it is, I would say you’re a pretty irrational person at this point, hardly worth reading really.

As long as you are around though, I will stick with you and work with you. I am careful not to underestimate my fellow man.

Even the most irrational among us have the potential to radically change.

Milli wrote:

You nihilist nazis seem to think explaining everything away is helpful in some way.

I’m not actually one for explaining things away, as much as I am someone who refrains from believing in anything that isn’t clearly realized.

How's this for some principles to live:

1. The universe loves you, and wants you to prosper.

I would prefer to believe that Milli, but I don’t need to resort to those sorts of superstitions in order to function day to day. If my well being depended on believing strongly in such unproven speculations, then I daresay I’d end up like you – lashing out in contempt, while accusing others of contempt. In other words; hypocritical.

Milli wrote:

2. There are people who will help you with support and positive assistance, and there are those who will not want you to prosper and who will hate you.

Sure, that’s the way it seems to me too. And I assure you Milli, I want to see you prosper. I don’t hate you.

I just think you need to learn to respond more calmly and thoughfully to people who confuse and frighten you.

In other words, you need not be so volatile when you encounter someone with different values then your own.

The best way to become stronger in this regard is to deny the more gratifying conclusions to be had in this life and experiment with the more painful, bleak perspectives.

Life will hurt quite a bit more at times, but it will make you and humanity as a whole much stronger in the long run.

Milli wrote:

4. This one's a question: where does pointless nihilism fit in? I mean besides allowing you to feel superior to everyone else.

Didn’t you accuse me earlier of being someone who thinks he can end war? That doesnt sound nihilistic to me.

Milli, I have a long-term vision of humanity becoming altered into a more benevolent mode of consciousness.

Milli wrote:

Are you nihilists friends or foes to humanity? You seem hate-filled.

Well, I would consider parasitic, self-destructive people to be an enemy to mankind, and I would say that most of mankind is parasitic and self-destructive.

So I am both an enemy and a friend to humanity.

What humanity needs, humanity hates. What humanity wants, I hate.

Yes Milli, Paradox. Have you been well aquainted?

Cory Patrick wrote:Milli wrote:

What you call elitism is just nihilism and contempt for others.

Milli, my god, who on this board expresses disdain and contempt as frequently as you do?

You. For anyone who believes in anything.

Your responses are consistently hateful – you are full of contempt, not just with me, I’ve read the way you write to other people. Judging by your frequent out-bursts, I’d say you are a pretty hateful person.

Ourbursts? They're posts like everyone else's. You're hateful. underlying every post of yours is an elitist judgement.

You think you can end war if the world would just do what you say.

I never said anything about me ending war, nor do I recall being instructional towards others.

Your various screeds about the superiority of meaingless and stupidity of others are instruction. Everyone should be as cynical as you.

Your nazi thinking is the worst tyranny of all.

Hitler believed strongly in ideals, the existence of his self, he valued occult powers, and he believed that choice existed.

As you believe in your elitist values, and offer nothing to humanity but hatred.

Whereas I believe ideals, the self, and choice are illusionary.

CHoice is not illusory. You could choose to helpful to the world instead of destructive, judgemental, elitist, and hate filled.

And I don’t think occult powers are of much value.

Milli, you are probably more similar to Hitler than I am.

Whatever, infected nutsack boy.

Hitler wouldnt be too impressed with me, but he probably wouldn't like you much either.

Milli wrote:

You're just an evil piece of shit.

That sounds like contempt to me. Your lack of composure, sophistication, and your apparent hypocrisy make you unconvincing to me. I value calm, logical debate/discussion. If you were even minded enough to value calm, logical debate/discussion as well, then perhaps you could win me over and show me the light.

Succinctness is not lack of composure or lack of sophistication.
Your excessive words don't make your more correct, nor do they transform your perpetually adolescent disdain for the world into something noble.

But, with your quality of writing as it is, I would say you’re a pretty irrational person at this point, hardly worth reading really.

Then don't. I've whooped your booty into next tueday.

You claim to have you have no ideals, but you do. You think doestroying all, while glorifying your own will to destroy is the highest good. That's a value; you espouse it; you think it's cool.

As long as you are around though, I will stick with you and work with you. I am careful not to underestimate my fellow man.

I'll work with you. We'll figure out why you hate so hard.

Even the most irrational among us have the potential to radically change.

Yes. There's hope for you, my lost friend.

Milli wrote:

You nihilist nazis seem to think explaining everything away is helpful in some way.

I’m not actually one for explaining things away, as much as I am someone who refrains from believing in anything that isn’t clearly realized.

Yet you believe in your nihilism.

How's this for some principles to live:

1. The universe loves you, and wants you to prosper.

I would prefer to believe that Milli, but I don’t need to resort to those sorts of superstitions in order to function day to day. If my well being depended on believing strongly in such unproven speculations, then I daresay I’d end up like you – lashing out in contempt, while accusing others of contempt. In other words; hypocritical.

Actually, it's important for you to reduce others to your same state of emotionally dysfunctional hopelessness.

Milli wrote:

2. There are people who will help you with support and positive assistance, and there are those who will not want you to prosper and who will hate you.

Sure, that’s the way it seems to me too. And I assure you Milli, I want to see you prosper. I don’t hate you.

You hate all of humanity.

I just think you need to learn to respond more calmly and thoughfully to people who confuse and frighten you.

You just can't handle the truth of my words. You've mesmerized yourself with your own miasma of words. You're self- hypnotized by your own undeserved gradiosity.

In other words, you need not be so volatile when you encounter someone with different values then your own.

This is you. When confronted with the fact that there may be more to life that nihilism, you launch with renewed vigor into antisocial tirades.

The best way to become stronger in this regard is to deny the more gratifying conclusions to be had in this life and experiment with the more painful, bleak perspectives.

You hate the happiness of others.

Life will hurt quite a bit more at times, but it will make you and humanity as a whole much stronger in the long run.

Milli wrote:

4. This one's a question: where does pointless nihilism fit in? I mean besides allowing you to feel superior to everyone else.

Didn’t you accuse me earlier of being someone who thinks he can end war? That doesnt sound nihilistic to me.

Yeah. You think it sounds good. Though it would require the worst and most inhuman tyranny the world has seen. So you're admitting you believe you can bring peace to the earth, if everyone just did what you said? Classic tyrannical thinking.

Milli, I have a long-term vision of humanity becoming altered into a more benevolent mode of consciousness.

All genocidal tryants do.

Milli wrote:

Are you nihilists friends or foes to humanity? You seem hate-filled.

Well, I would consider parasitic, self-destructive people to be an enemy to mankind, and I would say that most of mankind is parasitic and self-destructive.

So I am both an enemy and a friend to humanity.

What humanity needs, humanity hates. What humanity wants, I hate.

Yes Milli, Paradox. Have you been well aquainted?

Yes. You are an enemy to mankind. You do not love it. You consider love a false ideal. You are sick.

You just can't resist proving me right, can you? You are fundamentally elitist and anti-human, yet you're trying to sell it as something noble.

Could you clarify your long term vision for humanity? What's the corey patrick World Order like?

Steve wrote,

If you are content with using the word 'fact' as a means to support your self, then good.

On the contrary, the facts I value reveal the inherently illusionary nature of the self. There is no self to support.

Truth is the moon. Language can point towards this moon.

I think you dislike ideals because they divide you from your self

It's my understanding that it is having an ideal that divides one inwardly. For instance, by having the ideal of something like celibacy, you create a conflict. There is the fact of what you are, sexual - and then there is the ideal you have telling you to be not-sexual. When you have ideals you become at war with yourself and with the world.

Please don't accuse me of having the ideal of non-ideals. That would be too stupid.

By pointing out that a body of water is polluted, I'm not neccesarily being idealistic am I? If I clearly understand factually what will cleanse the water, then that isnt being idealistic either. I am just seeing reality as it is.

There is the fact of the water having been polluted, and there is the fact that there are species of vegetation that will gradually cleans the water. There is also the awareness that introducing an alien species of vegetation could cause new problems.

I value awareness in relationship to the needs of survival.

One doesnt need to go any further than that!

Ideals are for immitators and self-aggrandizers.

Cory Patrick wrote:
Please don't accuse me of having the ideal of non-ideals. That would be too stupid.

No. It's the obvious truth.

And you are zealously committed to this ideal.