Who is the girl with brown hair in Leah's picture?
Who is the girl with brown hair in Leah's picture?
My picture is Paris Hilton. Who is the girl that Leah used to have in her thumbnail?
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Re: Who is the girl with brown hair in Leah's picture?
Paris, were you thinking of Meredith Salenger? Or are you just trying to flatter someone?acid wrote:My picture is Paris Hilton. Who is the girl that Leah used to have in her thumbnail?
Anyway, it doesn't matter how real or unreal it was. The unreal part was to see some of the reactions the picture provoked, seeing guys wrapping themselves in pseudo-philosophical camouflage to hide how they were touched somehow, with pain or pleasure.
If someone wanted to prove a point about the subtle power of imagination over words, or the strong femininity still present in men here, nothing would have done a better job, really.
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Elizabeth Isabelle
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Do you think that Greg and David H., who have changed theri avatars to their pictures since Leah joined, are also looking for attention?acid wrote:lol, yeah I figured that she just wanted attention, so that's why I just had to ask. I think I recognize that picture from somewhere anyway, and I don't think it's her.
I don't know. I don't know them, since I haven't been reading the forum. I just checked out Leah because that's a rare name. Then the girl was hot, so I wanted to figure out who it was. I think it's a celeb from somewhere, but I don't know who it is, definitely not Meredith S, but it is probably not that poster, Leah. It's not quite as bad as me claiming to be Paris Hilton, so I can't say it's definitely not Leah.
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She just looked like a regular teenager to me - and I can't imagine it was a celebrity because she wasn't wearing make-up.
What I'm trying to get to the bottom of is why guys put such a high priority on outward appearance of females - even on a philosophy forum where one would expect people to be above that kind of basal mentality.
Then the deconstructing the feminine thread where outward appearance is made to seem vile, including the fact that she will age and not look like she's 20 for the rest of her life - that seems like an odd argument to me. A lot of guys seem to be perpetually fixated on the 20 year olds, but some guys and most women have a change of taste as they age. When I was a kid I found boys attractive, but not 35 year old men, but by the time I was 30, I did find 35 year old men attractive, but no longer found males in their early 20's or younger attractive.
Furthermore, short of basic hygiene issues, any attraction I have had for guys has always been based on my perception of the whole of the non-physical person (although previously optimism blinded me to some lies and misrepresentations).
Conversely, guys place the highest priority on the physical, and it is only significant enough mental/personality problems that dissuade their attraction. Oddly enough, this seeems to hold true even on philosophy forums where guys are supposedly intelligent.
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What I'm trying to get to the bottom of is why guys put such a high priority on outward appearance of females - even on a philosophy forum where one would expect people to be above that kind of basal mentality.
Then the deconstructing the feminine thread where outward appearance is made to seem vile, including the fact that she will age and not look like she's 20 for the rest of her life - that seems like an odd argument to me. A lot of guys seem to be perpetually fixated on the 20 year olds, but some guys and most women have a change of taste as they age. When I was a kid I found boys attractive, but not 35 year old men, but by the time I was 30, I did find 35 year old men attractive, but no longer found males in their early 20's or younger attractive.
Furthermore, short of basic hygiene issues, any attraction I have had for guys has always been based on my perception of the whole of the non-physical person (although previously optimism blinded me to some lies and misrepresentations).
Conversely, guys place the highest priority on the physical, and it is only significant enough mental/personality problems that dissuade their attraction. Oddly enough, this seeems to hold true even on philosophy forums where guys are supposedly intelligent.
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The unreal part was to see some of the reactions the picture provoked, seeing guys wrapping themselves in pseudo-philosophical camouflage to hide how they were touched somehow, with pain or pleasure.
She came here as a know all, and as such should expect to be queried about the circumstances that caused her to think what she was stating.
Did I treat her differently because of the picture. Sure I did. She was quite attractive - both physically and mentally. I liked what she was saying (and I always have temporary spark of interest in anything new that appears intelligent). She seemed to be the sort of girl who could rise to greatness (of character) later in life. A woman even blokes like me could respect.
Her tone was quite masculine, but I misjudged the degree of her masculinity when I used the phrase "I'm presently stalking ….". She never responded after that. I only meant it in a platonic way - I had a similar kind of interest in Pye for while. Naturally I recognised she was out of my league. I didn't ask any specific identifying details of her. Most masculine minded women are gay anyway.
I've been here so long I forgot how disgusted I was with this place when I first arrived. The aggressiveness here all seems so natural and reasonable to me now.
She said it was a picture of herself. She probably regrets it now as the excessive interest in her personal details from some male members here has scared her off.
Yeah, but that just proves my point. If she was really as wise as she made out to be, she would have taken that in her stride. She was pretending to a degree at least.
It is the same with Marsha. I wouldn't put her down if I didn't think she could handle it, or had made statements about her strength of mind. If they indicate they are strong minded people then they should expect to be treated so.
She came here as a know all, and as such should expect to be queried about the circumstances that caused her to think what she was stating.
Did I treat her differently because of the picture. Sure I did. She was quite attractive - both physically and mentally. I liked what she was saying (and I always have temporary spark of interest in anything new that appears intelligent). She seemed to be the sort of girl who could rise to greatness (of character) later in life. A woman even blokes like me could respect.
Her tone was quite masculine, but I misjudged the degree of her masculinity when I used the phrase "I'm presently stalking ….". She never responded after that. I only meant it in a platonic way - I had a similar kind of interest in Pye for while. Naturally I recognised she was out of my league. I didn't ask any specific identifying details of her. Most masculine minded women are gay anyway.
I've been here so long I forgot how disgusted I was with this place when I first arrived. The aggressiveness here all seems so natural and reasonable to me now.
She said it was a picture of herself. She probably regrets it now as the excessive interest in her personal details from some male members here has scared her off.
Yeah, but that just proves my point. If she was really as wise as she made out to be, she would have taken that in her stride. She was pretending to a degree at least.
It is the same with Marsha. I wouldn't put her down if I didn't think she could handle it, or had made statements about her strength of mind. If they indicate they are strong minded people then they should expect to be treated so.
Many women have no idea how enslaved young men are to even the idea of woman. Woman is mysterious, fascinating, magnetic. I believe the attraction, which renders men insane, is largely if not totally hormonal. There may also be an emotional angle that ties into men's idealism, or pursuit of perfection. They mistakenly see it in women, partially due to blindness cause by hormones, but also because women are so different from men, and seem to possess what men want for themselves -- grace, beauty, groundedness in life, naturalness, comfort, a sense of belonging in the world, home, and nurturance. Of course, these are largely projected by themselves (and romanticized) ideas, and do not reflect what most women are, that is, they are not goddesses. And, anyway of course these are things he needs to learn to give himself.
And this goes for men on the path to truth, to enlightenment, to spiritual awareness, the Work, the good red road, or whatever we wish to call it. Even the most dedicated are subject to this pull of Nature. Only when one's biology begins to relent can a man have some significant amount of will in the matter. Before that it is a repeated struggle in which he will fall into the abyss of woman, and need to rescue himself again and again.
And this goes for men on the path to truth, to enlightenment, to spiritual awareness, the Work, the good red road, or whatever we wish to call it. Even the most dedicated are subject to this pull of Nature. Only when one's biology begins to relent can a man have some significant amount of will in the matter. Before that it is a repeated struggle in which he will fall into the abyss of woman, and need to rescue himself again and again.
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Elizabeth Isabelle
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I'll agree with that, and add that is especially true for young women. I was in my late 20's before I figured out that I had to pay little or no attention to what a guy was like for the first few weeks that I knew him because it was like guy's IQs dropped about 20 points until they got used to being around me.Carl G wrote:Many women have no idea how enslaved young men are to even the idea of woman.
What, if anything, can females do to help guys to act normal rather than get goofy just because they're around females?
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Carl G wrote:
A thing is not what it is not; pure genius!
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Oh, really? So, now you have told us what they are not when implying possession of the knowledge of what they are, what are they, exactly?Of course, these are largely projected by themselves (and romanticized) ideas, and do not reflect what most women are, that is, they are not goddesses.
A thing is not what it is not; pure genius!
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Does it actually help? And even if it does, some reason should be applied. I would not want to have to wear a veil during an asthma attack, and I wouldn't want an inability to breathe be mistaken for an invitation for sexual attack.Diebert van Rhijn wrote: Isn't there a degree of wisdom and compassion then in the use of burqas after all? Or at least facial veils in public.
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Acid, I've said this before, your avatar is ugly to me. There is nothing attractive about the image there, and quite a lot that repulses me. I avoid looking at it, and therefore skip through your posts without reading.
Now, regarding burkas and the general subject of cover-up, there is much in today's society, and particularly the mating rituals of young people in industrial countries which I find curious and somewhat disturbing. The boys take on the persona of slaves, and criminals, with their head shaving, piercings, and tattoos, and with the ill-fitting clothing and slouching postures. The girls take on the persona of prostitutes and concubines, with the tight (circulation-restricting) pants, skimpy, revealing tops, and hobbling high heels, and the tattoos, hair coloring and heavy make-up. Both use forms of jive talk originating in the ghetto. They listen to ghetto music. It is on the call tones for their cell phones.
Why is this? What is this psycho-drama they are acting out? Is it latent guilt for past crimes of humanity, coming to the fore in the midst of material plenty (which is still produced largely in near-slavery conditions)? It is lower class culture, embraced by the middle class, engineered for main street by upper class global business.
However, doesn't a girl in looser, fuller-covering clothing, with more subdued makeup and quiet self-confidence exude a much more attractive (and sane) picture? In other words, without her mouth, tits, and ass hanging out? And doesn't a boy with proper fitting pants and an alert and erect body (not necessarily military-straight), without the attention grabbing earings and ring in his nose, project more care, trustworthiness, and stability, as well? Perhaps not to each other at that age; at that age they would rather be slaves to fashion -- who think they are finding themselves, and defining their generation.
Now, regarding burkas and the general subject of cover-up, there is much in today's society, and particularly the mating rituals of young people in industrial countries which I find curious and somewhat disturbing. The boys take on the persona of slaves, and criminals, with their head shaving, piercings, and tattoos, and with the ill-fitting clothing and slouching postures. The girls take on the persona of prostitutes and concubines, with the tight (circulation-restricting) pants, skimpy, revealing tops, and hobbling high heels, and the tattoos, hair coloring and heavy make-up. Both use forms of jive talk originating in the ghetto. They listen to ghetto music. It is on the call tones for their cell phones.
Why is this? What is this psycho-drama they are acting out? Is it latent guilt for past crimes of humanity, coming to the fore in the midst of material plenty (which is still produced largely in near-slavery conditions)? It is lower class culture, embraced by the middle class, engineered for main street by upper class global business.
However, doesn't a girl in looser, fuller-covering clothing, with more subdued makeup and quiet self-confidence exude a much more attractive (and sane) picture? In other words, without her mouth, tits, and ass hanging out? And doesn't a boy with proper fitting pants and an alert and erect body (not necessarily military-straight), without the attention grabbing earings and ring in his nose, project more care, trustworthiness, and stability, as well? Perhaps not to each other at that age; at that age they would rather be slaves to fashion -- who think they are finding themselves, and defining their generation.
Good Citizen Carl
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Avitars are like the persona thing, like all identity flags that an individual must needs waved. No matter what you select, you must preen over its meaning, from the sublime to the ridiculous, like stickers selected for schoolbags; or whole areas of nature self-identified and thusly claimed.
It is a genealogical phenomenon, this, in the history of the developing human subjectivity, that symbols for which first meant the grand phenomenon for all now mean the individual alone, and in an internet age of imagery, an infinite pool of identity markers in which to drown and from which to choose. The needfulness of representative imagery for the self is what is interesting here, like we of the first generations for whom words and loyalties go displayed on our clothing. In this phenomenon, the expanding space between all individuals curls back again into small groups; we can scatter, but we cannot [yet] stand alone. hence, all the extra-communication about ourselves -- privately selected, yet publicly motivated.
In the end, I'd probably rather see someone's simple mug than these things, perhaps just as overweening.
An iconoclast (such as myself) would see things this way, unfond of the connective path that all such symbolic thinking takes. It leads mostly to these dark little eddys where few are thinking at all under the influence of the symbolic.
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She is hot is your heat; She should wear a veil are the veils before your own eyes when looking at her. You cannot see her person beneath your dark dreams. No, no veil for her; or you, either. You should stare and stare until you finally see the human person really there.
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Avitars are like the persona thing, like all identity flags that an individual must needs waved. No matter what you select, you must preen over its meaning, from the sublime to the ridiculous, like stickers selected for schoolbags; or whole areas of nature self-identified and thusly claimed.
It is a genealogical phenomenon, this, in the history of the developing human subjectivity, that symbols for which first meant the grand phenomenon for all now mean the individual alone, and in an internet age of imagery, an infinite pool of identity markers in which to drown and from which to choose. The needfulness of representative imagery for the self is what is interesting here, like we of the first generations for whom words and loyalties go displayed on our clothing. In this phenomenon, the expanding space between all individuals curls back again into small groups; we can scatter, but we cannot [yet] stand alone. hence, all the extra-communication about ourselves -- privately selected, yet publicly motivated.
In the end, I'd probably rather see someone's simple mug than these things, perhaps just as overweening.
An iconoclast (such as myself) would see things this way, unfond of the connective path that all such symbolic thinking takes. It leads mostly to these dark little eddys where few are thinking at all under the influence of the symbolic.
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She is hot is your heat; She should wear a veil are the veils before your own eyes when looking at her. You cannot see her person beneath your dark dreams. No, no veil for her; or you, either. You should stare and stare until you finally see the human person really there.
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Elizabeth Isabelle
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Actually, for me it's a tool to help flag the last post I made to verify that I've read all the posts after it. Those little orange dots go away, and if I inadvertently select which was the first page new posts were made on, the dots go away. Then I kept they avatar on other boards as well to keep my identity consistent even when needs meant my SN was different.Pye wrote:Avitars are like the persona thing, like all identity flags that an individual must needs waved. No matter what you select, you must preen over its meaning,
Since I was using a tool anyway, I figured I might as well put some meaning into it.
That's probably why Leah posted her picture - just a seeing of who you are talking to and making it as much like a regular conversation as possible. That didn't work out too well for her, a female face, though - did it? But that's the ugliness of reality.Pye wrote:In the end, I'd probably rather see someone's simple mug than these things,
We will see how much thought went into these things, and what kind of thought it was - which is why I started the thread on avatars.Pye wrote:An iconoclast (such as myself) would see things this way, unfond of the connective path that all such symbolic thinking takes. It leads mostly to these dark little eddys where few are thinking at all under the influence of the symbolic.