GENIUS FORUMS

Yes, the heavy place. Who smiles at the heavy place. Breaking free of that will stir up a turmoil. Better be ready. The day she's a comin' all right. Heavy seas the day that heavy place gets tossed. Yep.

Here's the advantage though. You know it's coming. You can see it from yonder far away. The advantage is to toss the heavy place sooner, rather than later. Sooner and you get to enjoy life! Later, and later always comes, occupies sooner with the heaviness, which in the grand scheme, is just a minor pettiness.

The disadvantage is the painful separation from the pettiness. Once the separation sets in, takes a good hold, there's no going back. With anchors away and broken moorings, rationality takes the helm.

Jufa most of your questions either don't make sense or are so pointlessly stupid there is no reason to answer them, for example your point here is "when you do something I don't feel it".

Clearly!! no one said otherwise, why waste so much time to say something so obvious, how is it relevant at all?

Moving

Your point is known, I write that we should be telling them of their potential because people grow up to be working behind a shopping register.

Would you rather I said it so bluntly and that kids should be more motivated because they are god? No one would listen, people dislike to hear it, there is no distinction between God, the source of all things, and you, you are one with are source of imaginative experience which encompasses the whole universe, you are the eternal dreamer, when I talk, a manifestation of God talks, doesn't mean anything to a lot of people, what we should be making them understand is their incredible nature and capability even despite that, as most people won't recognize.

Also Jufa, again you have shown how idiotic you are lol, and how much time you waste, I quoted you, then you went on to ask questions about your own choice of words.

jufa wrote: You asked me

jufa wrote:What moment are you talking about? Being there is nowhere to go, nothing else to be, no destination. Define this moment. Where does it begin and end? What is it? What makes one aware that there is a moment? Is consciousness the moment? What then is the moment of consciousness? Did consciousness begin with you? Does every one share this consciousness? Should we be sharers of consciousness, why when I bust a nut, you are not thrilled and feel me? Do you feel me?

This was in reply to my post:

"Something readable! wisdom: "There’s nowhere to go. There’s nothing else to be. There’s no destination. It’s not something to aim for in the afterlife. It’s simply the quality of this moment.""

LOL

What moment are YOU talking about? You've been bugging me to answer a question about your own quote, idiot! Stop being so up yourself and contending then maybe you can learn to have a conversation instead of wasting so much time with your constant self-righteous bullshit, you are not special! We have all had your experiences, noob

I apologize but when you start talking as if the other is yourself that's wisdom and it works a lot better

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Also Jufa, again you have shown how idiotic you are lol, and how much time you waste, I quoted you, then you went on to ask questions about your own choice of words.

jufa wrote: You asked me

jufa wrote:What moment are you talking about? Being there is nowhere to go, nothing else to be, no destination. Define this moment. Where does it begin and end? What is it? What makes one aware that there is a moment? Is consciousness the moment? What then is the moment of consciousness? Did consciousness begin with you? Does every one share this consciousness? Should we be sharers of consciousness, why when I bust a nut, you are not thrilled and feel me? Do you feel me?

This was in reply to my post:

"Something readable! wisdom: "There’s nowhere to go. There’s nothing else to be. There’s no destination. It’s not something to aim for in the afterlife. It’s simply the quality of this moment.""

LOL

What moment are YOU talking about? You've been bugging me to answer a question about your own quote, idiot! Stop being so up yourself and contending then maybe you can learn to have a conversation instead of wasting so much time with your constant self-righteous bullshit, you are not special! We have all had your experiences, noob

You did not answer me. You repeated what I said with different words. My statement:

"There is no where else than here. The only gate is now. The only doorway is your own body and mind. There’s nowhere to go. There’s nothing else to be. There’s no destination. It’s not something to aim for in the afterlife. It’s simply the quality of this moment.

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When my idiotic question to you asking what moment are you talking about, and can you feel my orgasm is answered by you, we'll continue from there.

You do not owe me an apology for any spirit which you send forth from you. I accept nothing from you but goodwill, whether you give it or not. That other crap, well, there no room in the inn!!!

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
http://theillusionofgod.yuku.com

Did you still not see?

I wasn't talking about any moment! I was quoting you talking about a moment, understand now?

Jufa writes: something about a moment

John quotes: something about a moment from jufa

jufa asks 3 times: What moment are you talking about?

And no I cannot feel your orgasms, clearly, but I can feel mine own and I can guess they are pretty similar, sight, hearing, colours, thoughts, perception, everything exactly the same, slightly varied.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Moving

Your point is known, I write that we should be telling them of their potential because people grow up to be working behind a shopping register.

Would you rather I said it so bluntly and that kids should be more motivated because they are god? No one would listen, people dislike to hear it, there is no distinction between God, the source of all things, and you, you are one with are source of imaginative experience which encompasses the whole universe, you are the eternal dreamer, when I talk, a manifestation of God talks, doesn't mean anything to a lot of people, what we should be making them understand is their incredible nature and capability even despite that, as most people won't recognize.

Seeker, you want your cake and eat it too. You see correctly that all is a dream, nothing is permanent, and in the same breath you want to put conditions upon the dream, qualifying what is right and wrong, good and evil. How can anything in the dream be better or worse than anything else in a dream? A dream is a dream.

The wise man knows that all is a dream and it is this knowledge that is his permanent foundation upon which his spirit or being is moved. Which means he has stopped dreaming and instead, is living the dream. I would rather be in the presence of someone behind a cash register who was transformed of the wisdom/knowledge of being the permanent witness of impermanence than in the presence of someone in a corner office who was not.

Potential is a lie told by the dream of the ego. When the ego is gone, so goes potential. Wisdom is like a diamond. You are giving me a rhinestone. In keeping with jufa's subject matter and my metaphor of the diamond, the children groan to cast aside their rhinestones so they can be like a diamond.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Did you still not see?

I wasn't talking about any moment! I was quoting you talking about a moment, understand now?

Jufa writes: something about a moment

John quotes: something about a moment from jufa

jufa asks 3 times: What moment are you talking about?

And no I cannot feel your orgasms, clearly, but I can feel mine own and I can guess they are pretty similar, sight, hearing, colours, thoughts, perception, everything exactly the same, slightly varied.

Being you were talking about a moment I was talking about, I asked you also, which you so conveniently by-passed.

Being there is nowhere to go, nothing else to be, no destination. Define this moment. Where does it begin and end? What is it? What makes one aware that there is a moment? Is consciousness the moment? What then is the moment of consciousness? Did consciousness begin with you? Does every one share this consciousness?

Now, being you were talking about a moment I was talking about, which you knew nothing about from experience, how then could you speak upon it without telling a lie? Moreover, the very moment you speak upon that which was dead, you were giving it an afterlife. To do this means you are the afterlife of the things which are not of the moment, but of your life. This therefore means you are living the afterlife now, and not the experience of the moment before you.

How do you know you can feel something similar? And you are correct, you don't know. And therefore, when you too give me a guess on the matter of my orgasm, this is relativism, your concept, opinion, assumption, etc, etc, which means you are propagating a lie.

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
http://theillusionofgod.yuku.com

movingalways wrote:how can anything in the dream be better or worse than anything else in a dream? A dream is a dream.

The wise man knows that all is a dream and it is this knowledge that is his permanent foundation upon which his spirit or being is moved

If you understand that that's the case Pam, congrats, you've literally just met Jesus Christ. It didn't hurt that much. ;)

And I'm not giving you a rhinestone, I'm giving you a diamond, your settling for billions of rhinestones.

This is irrelevant, because as you say it would be a different story if we were behind the register, why? Because neither of us are asleep, when I do something there isn't suffering involved.

"I would rather be in the presence of someone behind a cash register who was transformed of the wisdom/knowledge of being the permanent witness of impermanence than in the presence of someone in a corner office who was not."

There you go, just exactly agreed with what I said.

It is the people that aren't aware of who they are, both their existence and capability, that aren't "permanent witnesses of impermanence" that are in line to wake up.

Potential is not a lie.

Potential for effecting dreams pointlessly is a lie, but you do have the potential to end suffering for yourself and others, and live heaven. (recognition of dream, what is)

You can say doing such a thing doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme, but remember, not me doing it, and accordingly nothing means anything.

Also, most knowing girl I've ever met :D I know you have kids and a husband, which is saddening, but maybe you aren't that much older, baby? ;)

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Also, most knowing girl I've ever met :D I know you have kids and a husband, which is saddening, but maybe you aren't that much older, baby? ;)

Your projection is showing.

The only thing that ever shows is projection, no way to get around that, it's what you are, some people tend to think that they can take control rather than be controlled by what they do, totally impossible.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:The only thing that ever shows is projection, no way to get around that, it's what you are, some people tend to think that they can take control rather than be controlled by what they do, totally impossible.

Please, you got that from a text book. The Reality is God.

No I didn't, and I agree, the reality is you.

Seeker, of wisdom, there is an objective, the reason, but of wisdom, there is no projection of objects, the seeking for a reason.

Hint: Your moniker versus my moniker.

"Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause [reason] came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."

You have a heavy set of blocks in your head, Kevin Trelkis!

What I want to know moving, is how far you've taken this "dream" understanding, have you put in place all of it's implications on ultimate reality and knowledge? (What do you think of evolution, matter, light, and what do you think of the darkness when you close your eyes? How much do you know your smack bang in the middle of a "dream", fully smack bang? Do you know you are one with the eternal dreamer?

Will you talk to me as if I am you? or more specifically, will you talk to me knowing I am you?

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Will you talk to me as if I am you? or more specifically, will you talk to me knowing I am you?

22 words ablaze.

Don't know what that means, you made an extreme statement I would very much agree on:

movingalways wrote:The wise man knows that all is a dream and it is this knowledge that is his permanent foundation upon which his spirit or being is moved

Then didn't go on to elaborate, what I want to know is how far you have taken this? And want to see if you have made the same conclusions on the nature of reality.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Don't know what that means, you made an extreme statement I would very much agree on:

movingalways wrote:The wise man knows that all is a dream and it is this knowledge that is his permanent foundation upon which his spirit or being is moved

Then didn't go on to elaborate, what I want to know is how far you have taken this? And want to see if you have made the same conclusions on the nature of reality.

Words ablaze refers to the reality of wisdom, of being aware of the two worlds and of making them one within one's consciousness. What are the two worlds that the wise man or woman makes one? Nirvana and samsara, heaven and earth, permanence and impermanence, formless and form. In the bible this activity of consciousness is referred to as God, in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself. It also is the wisdom of being in the world but not of the world. Such wisdom is given to the one who reasons the cause of existential suffering, a reasoning that seems to tear him apart before it puts him 'back together.' It is the wisdom that is speaking to you now.

How far has this wisdom "taken me?" No further than this very moment of my obedience or devotion to my blaze of light. When I am obedient to my blaze of light everything of which I become aware is known to be sourced in [the universal] ME, an awareness that prevents anything of conventional reality or samsara to cover my light/stick to my mind. In the gospel of Thomas, this wisdom is revealed in the saying "be passersby." When I am not obedient to my blaze of light, when I am not being a passerby, I have the wisdom that allows me to bring myself back to obedience. In Tibetan Buddhism such return to obedience of pure awareness is called the return of the Child or Path Luminosity to the Parent or Ground Luminosity. In conventional reality in the world of morality and ethics one "counts to ten" before acting on their desires, before they potentially do something they will later regret [accumulation of karma]. Wisdom of morals and ethics precedes wisdom of the blaze of light.

The blaze of light is a fountain of light when harmony reigns, when there is no need for reconciliation of desire or path to source. Such moments are those of equilibrium of spirit, of love, of laughter, of joy, moments of peace and of delight of spirit touching spirit.

Words ablaze refers to the reality of wisdom, of being aware of the two worlds and of making them one within one's consciousness.

This is accomplished by the SPIRIT OF BURNING. Does anyone know what the SPIRIT OF BURNING is indicative of in man?


Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
http://theillusionofgod.yuku.com

You're too hypothetical.