GENIUS FORUMS

mikiel wrote:Individual *forms* are manifestations of the One (divine... caps optional) Consciousness in all. The "I" is this One. Surrender of the illusion of separate "i"-dentity (if you will) results in Liberation, the Grace of God-consciousness "in control" of the individual life, which, ironically is our natual state of freedom in complete harmony with "what is."

Sure.

The I becomes selfless, yes, but the individual becomes self-full. The control of the individual is sourced from the control of all individuals, but the source and the individual are indivisible.

What exatly do you mean by "the individual becomes self-full?"

The individual or the physical person does not look outside of him or herself for direction. Only the present begins to exist, a point in time of no duration and containing all past and future.

The I becomes selfless in the sense that it sees itself to be unreal, in physical terms. But the physical person realizes itself as the tip of an iceberg with full control over all aspects of life.

Ramayana wrote:"You will be as Gods" (Genesis 3:4,5).

So says the serpent...

I had missed this little contribution from my old Nemesis, Ram.
So... a quick bible lesson... with my commentaries in context in bold:

John Chapter 14, verse 12
Jesus:
" I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me (("I Am" in all) will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, "I said, Ye are gods?"
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemist; because I said, I am (a Son of God?
There is no "the" in the Greek, just "son of God" which can be interpreted "a son of God."

Ref:
verse 6 of Psalm 82,
"I (God through the prophet Asaph said, Ye are Gods, and all of you sons of the Most High. Nevertheless ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.".

John 17:22
Jesus:
" And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE."

John 14:6
Jesus:
“I am (is the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Jesus is speaking in unity with/as God, the universal "I Am" in all. The church has always interpreted the above from egocentric perspective, as they knew no better. The result... worship of Jesus personally... missing his point entirely... the ongoing folly of Christianity.

End of sermon.
mik I el (same "I" as in quote above.)