There can be no suffering without ignorance

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Re: There can be no suffering without ignorance

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Cahoot wrote:
What you hear from the sage is a subset of everything heard.
The question, which you ignored still remains.
Why go to God in the beginning then if a man satisfies your needs?

And why would anyone settle for a part, or fragment of the whole when the whole is available to them?

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Re: There can be no suffering without ignorance

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You didn't answer my previous question jufa although it's starting to sound like a "yes" ?
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SeekerOfWisdom wrote:You didn't answer my previous question jufa although it's starting to sound like a "yes" ?
I see you did not comprehend what I meant when I stated:
The greatest deceiver of man is man. All man's judgments and visions are based upon his senses. And by man living his life by sense perception, he teaches himself from reflected illusions and sense feelings. The human mind can then only project reflected illusions of relative singularity because the human mind can only relate to Spirit Thoughts, or material thoughts “precept by precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little, thought by thought.
Such is the case here. Y'all have a better day ya-hear
Men come into this dimension of being unconsciously consciously aware of people, places, and things without a clue as to where they've been, or where they are destined to be or go when the mask of shadows, all men present to others say, there is nothing you can do mister/madam in all your self-righteous talk about your being in control of the reality of their life.belief.

When an individual believes they are in-control of the reality of their being in this world, and tell others what and how they believe is wrong, or not true, a conversation with such a person is a debate on beliefs. This is ignorance in pure form.
"Have you such control over yourself that you could retrieve your urine from the dust?" - Gautama the Buddha
Moreover such a person is insensitive to the possibility of tragedy, and never takes into consideration that man's outer experiences are the externalization of his state of consciousness. Things may go right today according to ones thoughts, but tomorrow things may not be alright. And because a person cannot control the advent of what moment by moment brings, change is not always for the best, so human conscious control is a deception of the reality of the way things really are. So then moment by moment by moment a person just has be with this
"..........A shadow does not exist where it does not fall..........A shadow does not also exist, where it does fall."
You can take whatever I said or didn't say as a yes or not. But our conversation, and the baseline of that I given above is over. The buck stops with me. And so as I wipe my feet upon your welcome mat and turn and leave, I leave this note with you.
An Empty Room

Living itself, in the arc between being birth and death, I find to be space of cludder. And so, I do not attempt to find an empty room in this universe of my indoctrination, learning, and building upon my imagined fears and aloneness, I become the room itself. I am the fullness of me. I am the emptiness of me. Nonetheless, I am me, and all that I am is that which I first sent out by way of my thoughts; now returning to me whole, perfect, complete, and pure after their kind.

Being I am my world, my universe, and the activity within them, then the space of my living does not belong to the cludder, the trinkets, but to my way of thinking possessively about that which I truly cannot, and do not possess.

So to become the totality of the space of my living. I conclude it is not what I am aware of that matters, but how I interpret that which I am aware of. But then, this is only one step. I next review my thoughts, and motivation for thinking as I do. It is always about me being responsible to me, therefore I become responsible to my fellow man by making the space which they step into of me unconditionally empty of influence. [jufa]
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You have absolutely no control and no free will so where did you get that impression from? You've confused thoughts and emotion directing future experiences for meaning free will, you don't have influence on the thoughts or the experiences.

Which is exactly what your saying less clearly here "never takes into consideration that man's outer experiences are the externalization of his state of consciousness."

You do realize over complicating what's simple shows how clearly your just using language to obscurely refer to the only thing that can be referred to, your experiences, which we all share, and trying to make them sound special or exclusive somehow, and your constantly using words like: breath, spirit, light, why be so vague for? A lot of what your saying becomes much too obscure. "I am the fullness of me", you are the same thing I am, you can't describe it better in words then what we see through our direct wakeful experiences of it and your wasting your own words by not being clear enough or properly relating to other's experiences. I know what your going to say, your special, but how could you know we haven't had those same experiences unless you try to clearly relate first?
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jufa wrote:
Cahoot wrote:
What you hear from the sage is a subset of everything heard.
The question, which you ignored still remains.
Why go to God in the beginning then if a man satisfies your needs?

And why would anyone settle for a part, or fragment of the whole when the whole is available to them?

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

http://theillusionofgod.yuku.com
Many turn to God after the beginning. Some not at all. You may hear the voice of the sage from a dog. Rather than your man. Barking. Telling you to wake up. Because you ate the whole pizza. Thinking that would satisfy you. Because you were seeking satisfaction. But eating the whole thing made you sleepy. And then you smoked a cigarette, because you wanted all of that, too. And then in your stupor you dropped the fag onto the shag, rug. And the house caught on fire. :)
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In response to jufa saying: The question, which you ignored still remains. Why go to God in the beginning then if a man satisfies your needs? & And why would anyone settle for a part, or fragment of the whole when the whole is available to them?
Cahoot wrote:
Many turn to God after the beginning. Some not at all. You may hear the voice of the sage from a dog. Rather than your man. Barking. Telling you to wake up. Because you ate the whole pizza. Thinking that would satisfy you. Because you were seeking satisfaction. But eating the whole thing made you sleepy. And then you smoked a cigarette, because you wanted all of that, too. And then in your stupor you dropped the fag onto the shag, rug. And the house caught on fire. :)
Still you have ignored the questions. Please read and answer what was asked!


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jufa wrote:In response to jufa saying: The question, which you ignored still remains. Why go to God in the beginning then if a man satisfies your needs? & And why would anyone settle for a part, or fragment of the whole when the whole is available to them?
Cahoot wrote:
Many turn to God after the beginning. Some not at all. You may hear the voice of the sage from a dog. Rather than your man. Barking. Telling you to wake up. Because you ate the whole pizza. Thinking that would satisfy you. Because you were seeking satisfaction. But eating the whole thing made you sleepy. And then you smoked a cigarette, because you wanted all of that, too. And then in your stupor you dropped the fag onto the shag, rug. And the house caught on fire. :)
Still you have ignored the questions. Please read and answer what was asked!


Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
http://theillusionofgod.yuku.com
Well I thought it was pretty good.

God would just as soon let your temporal, illusory, dualistic identity (ahem) fry in the fire. A sage will at least bark!

You may quote me, preferably in full. :)
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Cahoot wrote: God would just as soon let your temporal, illusory, dualistic identity (ahem) fry in the fire. A sage will at least bark!
How do you know this?


Still you have ignored the questions. Please read and answer what was asked!


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But I have answered. Do you also demand that God conform to the limitations of the world created by your questions?
jufa wrote: Cahoot wrote: God would just as soon let your temporal, illusory, dualistic identity (ahem) fry in the fire. A sage will at least bark!

How do you know this?
'Tis inferred from the obituaries.
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JuFa, why don't you use the forum's signature feature?
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Wow!
The jitter-bug.
God only reveals to man what is constant truth. The truth shall set you free. Ye shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water which bringeth forth it's fruit in it's season. It's leaf also shall not whither but whatsoever it doeth shall not wither but prosper. The ungodly are not so but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away!
You should repent.
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Chi-
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I'm sorry-
This I statement really took off since 2008. :(
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You know that truth queen,iIf you do, answer, are you in the kingdom of heaven? If not, do you know the truth?
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All I know...is suffering. The boat-of-Rex.
Don't you know...every time a relapse of this-
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What you do affects everything all around; humans are just the the serum. What comprises the universe is the Totality. Why? God
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There will be a New Kingdom and a New Earth. Biblical terminology. Most assumptions or Tao walk in the majority rule. I've been to heaven,quite frankly. You have no idea, SOW. The glory of God will shine. You need the Holy Ghost, SOW! God and I are one. We are one in the kingdom of heaven.
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Not sure if you are being sarcastic? but when you do leave everything behind and simply look around at the earth it's clear what heaven means, eternal also, and to be one with "God" is to understand your oneness with what is, as you say, reality is subject to you, the light and the world arise from you in the same way imaginative experience does.
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SeekerofWisdom,
Lean not on thine own understanding-
In all thy ways "acknowledge" Him and he will direct your path. The Psalms

The path to enlightenment: think of it like a door is opening assumingly nay you are not the door Keeper. What then? Is it a sin to take that path to enlightenment? Does the Sun moon & stars have a Creator.? Tao te King teaches us we must lay our burdens down somewhere or elsewhere. What have you brought before God, today? Is the world Crazy or are we crazy in the world.? The Door is opened to you and others for perfect Enlightenment.
Is it. Or is it not the way to perfect Enlightenment?
Tao Te Ching
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Reverence and appreciation is what we do, beauty. There is no path to enlightenment, the path of* enlightenment is to clear your mind, especially from past and future which cloud it the most.
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