GENIUS FORUMS

I believe in the eternity of existence and that all is God

That means you are the experience 'I believe'.

What is it to 'I believe'.

What is the being of 'I believe'.

What does it mean.

Does it somehow give comfort against a dread of nothing, of not knowing.

What is 'I believe' as an activity doing.
providing Identity?

Dennis

Language is provisional, I am aware of this, otherwise I wouldn't be saying "I", I would be saying "John experience".

Would, "I have inferred" that all is God, be better than "I believe" ?

SeekerOfWisdom: You seem to have the belief in what you call the underlying spirit, but then you say you don't have a belief in God? Which is just a three letter word for the "cause of all", similar to the word Tao.

John, you believe, I know. This is why I do not collaborate, nor do I see my potential, these are things of becoming and I know spirit does not become. It reflects Itself, yes, It reveals Itself, yes, but It does not become Itself. Nor does It believe in Itself or group Itself. Reason this within yourself and see if what I am saying does not ring true.

Would, "I have inferred" that all is God, be better than "I believe" ?

Is this seeking of wisdom a search for identity.
trying to figure out which costume to wear?
which mask to put on?

any port in a storm?

oh, restless mind.

movingalways wrote: John, you believe, I know. This is why I do not collaborate, nor do I see my potential, these are things of becoming and I know spirit does not become. It reflects Itself, yes, It reveals Itself, yes, but It does not become Itself. Nor does It believe in Itself or group Itself. .

These are its manifestations, how can it be its manifestations? So no it is not becoming, but it is still "pouring itself into its work".

You are witnessing creations of consciousness indistinguishable from that of a dream, the eternal dreamer, or "it", that which is reflecting itself, has an infinite imagination, it manifests everything, countless times over.

It does not believe in itself because I am only witnessing the manifestations of thought which say "there must be a cause, I believe in a cause", it is not believing in itself because these thoughts do not know what it is.

I am believing in something entirely different to it, because I don't know it.

My beliefs are also always changing in relation to what it is and therefore are wrong.

Yet still, philosophically, it is very clear that it exists, and it is very clear that groups work better than not groups, you act like an enlightened person isn't allowed to: think, form groups, act, think a lot, write while thinking of the future, etc....

All of those things show a lack of thoughtlessness and a lack of emptiness, yet still, lao tzu and the buddha did both of them, they got caught up in the future and writing, lao tzu probably worried about one of his chapters for hours, yet he still wrote about non-action, emptiness, not thinking.... this shows clearly you have no real reason not to do something which will increase your thinking capability by x(whatever number of people in the group)



Dennis

Yes I have a restless mind that is seeking to do something, but you think of belief as some kind of guise when it's not, and restlessness is not a bad thing, being full of thoughts is also not a bad thing, you are denying your mind this false satisfaction while still going after it in a way that you think isn't breaking the rules.

God for fun and profit?

Dennis, is not obvious that thoughts require a thinker?

Since I am not the thinker, I call "god" the thinker.

Not god for fun and profit.


God for... being self-evident and obvious at all times.

There's this Display Cabinet.
like a set of options.

You've walked up and opened the drawer bottom left, the God drawer.
You're gonna experience every possible thought/feeling in the God drawer.
It's gonna run out of you like piss from a full bladder.

Dennis, what you said doesn't mean anything, just because people have connected this word with false traits or characteristics doesn't mean I am doing the same.

Since I am not the thinker, I call "god" the thinker.

Is that an option.

This is going in circles, its nothing but a little label that means nothing besides "it", yes it's an option because I am choosing God over no God or no thought on the issue.

We really need better ways to spend our time, ideas?

God's your option.
Your first cause.

Where's the evidence that's not hypothetical.

First cause implies there was a beginning.

Consciousness, no physical external world, just changing dreamlike illusions where absolutely zero is explainable, not causality.


"Every being in the universe
is an expression of the Tao.
It springs into existence,
unconscious, perfect, free,
takes on a physical body,
lets circumstances complete it.
That is why every being
spontaneously honors the Tao.

The Tao gives birth to all beings,
nourishes them, maintains them,
cares for them, comforts them, protects them,
takes them back to itself,
creating without possessing,
acting without expecting,
guiding without interfering.
That is why love of the Tao
is in the very nature of things."


Did you not get the basics of the Tao te ching? It was all about this "Tao" thing, all things are an expression of it, and it follows only its will.

The Tao is like a well:
used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities.

It is hidden but always present

It is the mother of all things, for lack of a better name, I call it the God.

Over to the Tao drawer.
when is the cupboard bare.

I understand the point you are making, but it won't change anything for me.

....We humans are absolutely crazy, not that it is our fault.

To crucify:

Isolate, demonize, ridicule, destroy.
Ancient tactics of the brave new world.

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Rudnick wrote:"For the next few years, I accompanied Jesus as he travelled from village to village, spreading the word of God to all who would listen. I’d tell myself, “Let him get it out of his system.” Everything came to a head one night at a dinner party at a local inn. All of the apostles had gathered, and I was trying out a new recipe for unleavened cupcakes. “These are delicious,” Judas said, which made me suspicious, because, frankly, have you ever tasted an unleavened cupcake? Then Jesus announced that someone at the party would betray him, and I stood right behind Judas and I kept pointing and mouthing the words “It’s him! Wake up!” But Jesus told me privately that he suspected Luke, and, when I asked him why, Jesus said, “Because when I told him about my turn-the-other-cheek idea Luke said, ‘But wouldn’t it be stronger if you said, “Turn the other cheek, bitch?”

Hi John,

These are its manifestations, how can it be its manifestations? So no it is not becoming, but it is still "pouring itself into its work".

Being is not static activity, being is infinite causing.

You are witnessing creations of consciousness indistinguishable from that of a dream, the eternal dreamer, or "it", that which is reflecting itself, has an infinite imagination, it manifests everything, countless times over.

And what is the nature of this witnessing that is you and me? Stillness or listening, which is of causes unknown to the sense mind. And what is the nature of that which 'pours' forth from this stillness or listening of unseen causes? Reasoning, which is the realm of namng, causes that are 'seen.' There is no separation between these two realms of infinite causing; knowing this, one is enlightened.

It does not believe in itself because I am only witnessing the manifestations of thought which say "there must be a cause, I believe in a cause", it is not believing in itself because these thoughts do not know what it is.

It is the truth that you cannot know the cause of your witnessing, if you can see this, then you can drop the concept of belief and say "I know I do not know the cause of my witnessing."

I am believing in something entirely different to it, because I don't know it.

This is dualism, belief in being separate from the totality of one's awareness, can you see? Again, because you don't know it, you have the truth of not knowing it. And, because you don't know it, you reason it.

My beliefs are also always changing in relation to what it is and therefore are wrong.

How can the wholeness of you that is caused, unseen and seen, ever be wrong? When you are hungry, you are hungry. Sense being hungry, find apple, eat apple, no more hungry. Not right or wrong, 'just' hungry.

Yet still, philosophically, it is very clear that it exists, and it is very clear that groups work better than not groups, you act like an enlightened person isn't allowed to: think, form groups, act, think a lot, write while thinking of the future, etc....

Since it could be said that the Genius Forum, which has been around for at least 12 years, is a "group" of thinkers of ultimate reality [wisdom seekers], why are you trying to reinvent the wheel?

Pam

movingalways wrote:why are you trying to reinvent the wheel?

Ego
Power
Control

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:Beingof1

My hand has never passed through the table and I've never seen anyone resurrect or heal the sick miraculously, I've heard a lot of stories but not all stories are true.

My dad was a pastor and one of his church members had brain cancer. His last name was Matthews and I knew him as brother Matthews. In the late seventies (when this occurred) they did not have the technology they do today. The doctors cut a hole in the side of his head to take a look. They simply sewed the skin back over the hole they had cut because they said his brain was so full of cancer he had less than two weeks to live.

My dad and his assistant pastor went to the hospital to pray for him. Not only was the cancer completely healed - a bone appeared over the hole in his skull instantly. The doctors were amazed and gave my dad access to the entire hospital.

I could fill up pages in this thread with what I have witnessed. I suggest you do a youtube search for things like blind eyes opening, miracles and the like.

You are assuming I don't believe in miracles, in fact, I am strictly under the belief that everything is a miracle. Every thought, every sense experience. In other forms of sense experience outside of this world, in dreams, in whatever else exists I am unaware of, I don't doubt that hands can move through tables, but in this one, the one we are sharing here, I've never seen a hand move through a table.

Given an infinite set, in a state of infinite momentum with infinite energy propelling the state - anything can and does happen.

We should be open but not gullible. There is a vast difference.

I believe in the eternity of existence and that all is God, but I don't know if Jesus resurrected from the dead, because I wasn't there, just as I don't know Hercules had a flying horse.

Apples and oranges.

SeekerOfWisdom wrote:I believe in the eternity of existence and that all is God, but I don't know if Jesus resurrected from the dead, because I wasn't there, just as I don't know Hercules had a flying horse.

If all is God, then you are God. Right ?

Pam

I want a group to avoid all the problems that arise on here, all the traps. A collaborative group of action rather than a non-collaborative and slow group of non-action and arguments.

For example, kunga here, comes on to insult and make unfounded comments, this is the kind of thing I want to avoid, there can only be progression if there is unwavering cooperation.
At the time being there is no such cooperation and no agenda, it seems to me there is only discussion and time passing.

Mostly it is because forum communication is very slow. I've already started an open chat on skype with a few smart members so far, anyone who agrees to discuss/act for the benefit of themselves and the group is allowed to join, even you kunga, not that you want too.

"I know I do not know the cause of my witnessing."

I agree completely. I know I do not know the cause of my witnessing, although still I think there is a cause, and, because I don't know its real name or anything about it, I call this "cause of all things I've ever witnessed" God.

"A being separate from the totality of ones awareness"

My awareness is looking directly into this beings consciousness, there is no separation from it, only oneness with it.

Kunga wrote: If all is God, then you are God. Right ?

Manifestations and expressions of it. It manifests itself in countless ways, the senses we experience are its manifestations, they are not it. If you dreamt something is that you? It's part of you, but its not you.

If you dreamt something is that you?

yep.

You may have dreamt of a beach.

Are you a beach Dennis? You may have been the experience of beach before, but not now.