GENIUS FORUMS

What does your Birthday mean to you?

I was in my mothers womb reluctant to follow the birth canal as I knew I was to go. Instead, my opposition led me in the opposite direction, going upward inside my mother almost killing her. The question 'Why' comes to mind of my reluctance to be obedient to the voice seemingly within me instructing me it was my time to leave. Records would prove my mothers difficult birth.

Why do I remember this moment in time, is it because the memory has no time associated to it?

Why was this moment in time significant that I should remember it?

Why did I oppose coming out into the world?

Why am I a recluse from young childhood?

Whose voice or consciousness was instructing me to leave my comfortable haven in my mothers womb?

What was the meaning of my birth?

These are my questions I cannot expect any human to answer, perhaps, the answers lie dormant within my very soul waiting to be released from bondage.

birthday: the man on the machine is the way of light and sober diligence

you don't remember this moment of birth, you are a liar. Children rarely remember events before the age of 5 unless it was a traumatic experience. Stop lying to us all and yourself.

What do you think it means? (HINT: You a momma's boy?)

Animus wrote:What do you think it means? (HINT: You a momma's boy?)

Mensa is from Canada. She was born in the same province as Ryan. Her son died several years ago.
Mensa (under a different alias) has been here several years, well before Ryan.

mensa-maniac wrote:What does your Birthday mean to you?

Guess it means an earlier step into the grave. My Mother died last month so this is a fairly decent topic. Since you're a woman and a (former) mother yourself, you are quite different here. I think Iolaus, Sue & Leyla are the only other women here to experience Motherhood.

Yes yes, a lot of snotty-nose boys still troll these forums. Don't let them bother you too much. Goes with the Canadian territories.

More Later, mensa :-)

Tomas wrote:

Animus wrote:What do you think it means? (HINT: You a momma's boy?)

Mensa is from Canada. She was born in the same province as Ryan. Her son died several years ago.
Mensa (under a different alias) has been here several years, well before Ryan.

So...

I was born in Canada, heck I'm not even "from" Canada, I am still in Canada. I have died several times myself. And my name is Ryan.

So wait, am I suppose to disclose my Social Insurance Number also? What is this exercise all about?


oh!!!!!!! SHE. I get it, the rest of that was superfluous and driving at my misidentification of sex.

Or?

Tomas wrote:

mensa-maniac wrote:What does your Birthday mean to you?

Guess it means an earlier step into the grave. My Mother died last month so this is a fairly decent topic. Since you're a woman and a (former) mother yourself, you are quite different here. I think Iolaus, Sue & Leyla are the only other women here to experience Motherhood.

Yes yes, a lot of snotty-nose boys still troll these forums. Don't let them bother you too much. Goes with the Canadian territories.

More Later, mensa :-)

Snobby-nosed goys?

Let me clear this up; A person wanting to climb back into the womb, for comfort and security. That pretty much characterizes the human "spiritual" motive. To climb back into the "Womb" of reality (not the mother). The mother's womb is too small now and probably not quite as comfortable as we imagine. But the drive here is security and comfort. Its like Freud's Anal-Retentive phase. Or Piaget's preoperational stage. So is that what we are discussing? Or are we discussing this one finite incident in time that has virtually no bearing on the life of the individual at this moment?

Is it a metaphor? Or a spilling out of one's experience in order to receive that comfort and security from the board members?

Ryan Rudolph wrote:you don't remember this moment of birth, you are a liar. Children rarely remember events before the age of 5 unless it was a traumatic experience. Stop lying to us all and yourself.

One never knows the mind of a female poster, Ryan. If she remembers .. she remembers events earlier, perhaps the female has a different brain imprint than we males...?
Just when I think I'm getting a handle on my girlfriend of 40-plus years .. along comes another unhittable curveball.

PS - Good to know you and Mensa are from the same province. Maybe even blood cousins from way back ;-/

Tomas wrote: Sue & Leyla are the only other women here to experience Motherhood.

I experienced an infected sebaceous cyst on my testicles which burst open and I had to squeeze out all the sebum while reeling in agony from the pain. Then I was left with an open cavity into my nut sack which tormented me for a few weeks afterward. Its really one incident in a long history of dysfunctional sebaceous glands that I've endured. Previously I underwent the same process on my ears. Its all those scented soaps and fancy crap that does it, just plain soap (Aveena) I found doesn't cause as much clogging of the sebaceous glands. I gave birth to a hardened chunk of sebum accompanied by ounces of blood and puss and it was quite painful. If that isn't a satisfactory analogue, I'll get back to you when my urine crystallizes into a stone and I have to pass that through that tiny little hole... However... with the sebaceous cyst there was no hole, so I had to tear open the skin of testicles by force of pressure.

Tomas wrote: perhaps the female has a different brain imprint than we males...?

Yea, but not what you think. This ignorance could actually be resolved by studying the subject, then, no need to speculate.

mensa-maniac wrote:Why do I remember this moment in time, is it because the memory has no time associated to it?

Clearly, only the female side knows this answer. Perhaps Leyla will enlighten.

Why so much regressed reverence of the feminine these days?

Tomas, my condolences.

Animus wrote:I gave birth to a hardened chunk of sebum accompanied by ounces of blood and puss and it was quite painful.

How long did it take to raise your sebum? Did you send it to school, or home school it? Did it ever stay at a friend's house too long and make you worry for its safety?

mensa-maniac wrote:What does your Birthday mean to you?

Time to renew the tag and title on my vehicle, check my driver's license to see if it needs to be renewed, and wish Dan Rowden a happy birthday, to which he traditionally replies "Bah, Humbug."

mensa-maniac wrote:Why do I remember this moment in time, is it because the memory has no time associated to it?

Ryan is right that early childhood memories are usually reserved for traumatic experiences. Of course birth is a traumatic experience and yours sounds particularly traumatic. Nevertheless, I have never heard of anyone remembering their birth before. Twin childhood friends told me they remembered being inside their mother, but they also said that they used her ribs like tennis rackets and used her heart as the ball, so obviously they made that up. One thing that is rather common though is what is known as a false memory. I suppose that it is possible that you actually remember, but it is also possible that you heard enough stories about your birth that your subconscious mind filled in some blanks for you.

mensa-maniac wrote:Why was this moment in time significant that I should remember it?

The start of your life is a significant event of your life. Also, what we are born like is as close to seeing what nature provided rather than nurture that we will get. There is a natural curiosity about who we really are, so looking back to birthmay give some sense of having received an answer.

mensa-maniac wrote:Why did I oppose coming out into the world?

Why am I a recluse from young childhood?

You are probably best qualified to answer these questions.

mensa-maniac wrote:Whose voice or consciousness was instructing me to leave my comfortable haven in my mothers womb?

Perhaps you should look into the biological process of birth.

mensa-maniac wrote:What was the meaning of my birth?

These are my questions I cannot expect any human to answer, perhaps, the answers lie dormant within my very soul waiting to be released from bondage.

So, are you into bondage? :p

How long did it take to raise your sebum? Did you send it to school, or home school it? Did it ever stay at a friend's house too long and make you worry for its safety?

I should apologize for my story. I was trying to address the fallacious appeal to motherhood.

Raising a child and taking it to school is not exclusively "motherly" either. Sometimes I'm not sure what the distinction is here between "motherly" and "fatherly" or simply "Parental". I can admit to not "Parenting" full-time, which I imagine is quite strenuous. However, none of this precludes men from speaking on this subject as was implied. There is a thought-experiment called "Mary the Neuroscientist" which I would like to use as an analogy. Mary is a neuroscientist who studies everything there is to know about colour vision. Mary lives in an achromatic prison where she is never capable of experiencing colour herself. The question here is; does Mary learn anything new if she eventually leaves her achromatic prison and experiences colour for the first time? In this same way, is it possible for a male to understand everything imaginable about child-bearing and is anything knew learned by the experience itself? My answer to either scenario would be; Yes, they do learn something new, but what they learn is how they experience the scenario. They learn nothing about the process of meiosis or the effects of various teratogens at different stages of development. They learn nothing of the forming of a blastocyst or the process of neural tube development. Let's examine this scenario in reverse, lets suppose Mary is not a neuroscientist and has only ever had her experience of colour. What does Mary know about colour? She knows what it is like for her to experience colour. She may naively assume that everyone else experiences colour exactly as she does, and this would be a misconception. Mary's knowledge about colour is factually trivial. She may have a variant retinal ganglion cell responding to a wider range of light than most people. There is just such a condition, a recessive allele carried on the X chromosome that only affects women. The only thing exclusive about being a mother, is being a mother. This does not preclude anyone from discussing the subject of parenting or even the subject in question; memory of being in the womb. In fact, I know very well from studying psychology and fetal development that this occasionally happens. Now, I'm not saying that you (Elizabeth) were the proponent of this view-point. I was speaking primarily with Tomas.

Animus wrote:I was trying to address the fallacious appeal to motherhood.

Oh, okay.

Animus wrote:Raising a child and taking it to school is not exclusively "motherly" either.

True. I was just pointing out some differences between a child and sebum, and "motherly" was the term at hand.

Animus wrote:Sometimes I'm not sure what the distinction is here between "motherly" and "fatherly" or simply "Parental".

In today's world where we try not to gender stereotype, there isn't a real distinction. In traditional roles there was much more delineation, but modern lifting of roles has proven to be a benefit to both fathers and children. Nevertheless, parenting styles of men and women seem to be different, in general. Women are more prone to coddle where men coach a kid to get back up and try again. Women tend to be "on duty" all the time, whereas men can let loose and have fun with the children. Children are better off with both a mother and a father, but there isn't anything that one parent can do that another can't simply because of gender (scenes from Mr. Mom flash through my head).

Tomas wrote:Clearly, only the female side knows this answer. Perhaps Leyla will enlighten.

I'm not sure of Tomas' exact point here, but I suspect that it is not exactly what he said.

Animus wrote:This ignorance could actually be resolved by studying the subject, then, no need to speculate.

This was a good response.

Animus wrote:None of this precludes men from speaking on this subject as was implied.

True, and it does not preclude women who have never given birth to speak on the subject either.

Animus wrote:I know very well from studying psychology and fetal development that this occasionally happens.

Ah - they skipped over that part in my classes. This is good to know.

Animus wrote:I'm not saying that you (Elizabeth) were the proponent of this view-point. I was speaking primarily with Tomas.

I figured that it was directed at Tomas, but a post that outlandish called for a snarky response.

I figured that it was directed at Tomas, but a post that outlandish called for a snarky response.

Fair enough!