Brokenhead;
I'm pointing out that David is implying that somehow Mother Teresa's compassion is less than - in fact, pitiable -an enlightened person's compassion would be.
In my opinion, he is actually emphasizing on the values on which compassion is essentially based on; values that may be reasonably less or more palatable to an individual, but are they logical. seems be his question.
Since David speaks so forthrightly about enlightenment, it's clear we are supposed to infer he is enlightened and any compassion he would show would not be deluded.
That’s another story; absolutely any display of “compassion†would necessarily be delusional in nature, since it can only be of the Samsaric kind, for there isn’t any other kind of existence possible. That should be so in accordance to 'wisdom', unless I got it all wrong. The only difference is, some uderstand it to be so, and others don’t, that’s all.
But hey! I love it, so no complains eihter way. I do what I think is best, "femininity" and all inclusive :)
Well, fucking duh. That is exactly the point of this thread - to point out how the QRS philosophy leads to such absurd statements like David is making about Mother Teresa.
That’s another story too; that how he chooses to "word" his disdain, which may be his style of shock treatment to awaken other people, but the bottom line is, what he actually opposes are the
values she holds, as against
his.
But, in fact, you are not entirely correct. There is no a priori reason why subjective values can't be discussed.
No one is, but does that mean I’m not entirely wrong? Because
I AM talking about discussing the values first, and then talk about “compassion†later. Or am I missing something?
If you mean making claims like "This person's love is greater than that person's," I tend to agree.
No, I mean question and understand why one person’s love makes it any “greater†than another to begin with!?
But actions speak the loudest. Don't forget this quote :"No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for a friend."
Of course they do, but not unless I hold the same values as high as the other person displays.
For example, I say, ‘No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for Allahâ€. Do you agree? Disagree? And why and why not?
My point is Mother Teresa's actions speak way louder than David's words.
First try and understand what both their values are, without any bias, otherwise you will be simply arguing from your point of view, and David his, without really understanding what values each point of view really holds.
Your later responses do show some interest in understanding without bias, but David'd don’t seem to, really.
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So I ask David..
What would a sage actually tell or do for those multitudes of starving and deprived souls of Calcutta, if he were to be placed amongst them?
I know, it is much better to preach wisdom to those that run the country, good luck with that, but what would a sage’s response be to those people directly? For they starve NOW! Not for wisdom, but food.
You know what, I wish words could quench thirst and hunger. I am well aware that thirst and hunger for a sage are of a different kind, but I’m sure he does actually eat time to time.
I ask help from the non-feminine minded too; advise me as what should I do since I plan visiting Calcutta soon.
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Elizabeth, it was nice of you to share David’s story, I read a bit of it, but I’m sure those must have been the days of past delusions. He would never advise anyone to act in that way now, nor will he himself, since the days of delusions are over for him. That could be one of the reasons he has not made it public, and you may have actually hampered, harmed, his call to ‘pick up your cross and follow me’, or that ‘one cannot serve two masters’, or ‘he who does not leave his mother, father,’ and god knows who all, ‘cannot enter the kingdom of heaven’.
The question is, would David immediately run a mile to quench the thirst of a dying person? Or say, ‘wait a minute, mate, I’ll get going as soon as I post my next reply’.
Immediate reality is all we have, and has to be dealt with in an immediate fashion, as well as one can; Heaven can wait, IMHO.
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Nice thread however; it should become more interesting for you,
brokenhead, now that the subject of ‘femininity’ has stepped in.