The reason this struggle has no fix, or no solution beyond a final destructive one, lies in the fact that the conflict is based on unrealizable myths kept alive by all participants. The question is not asked yet: can we distinguish our wishes from folly?
I think I would simplify the question here, and without veering toward the doctrines of anti-Zionism espoused by, let us say, 'ignorant antisemites'. The reason the issue has no fix is because it comes about through a land-robbery. In a sense it does not matter what specific phantasy impelled the robbery. But in this case, according to Miko Peled, and as is fairly obvious, the mythos that has been employed is that of the Biblical People Returning to the Land of their Ancestors After Times of Great Trial and Tribulation. Once one recognizes -- if one can recognize it -- that the Biblical Return script cannot function even within its own context (within the System of the original story), and in truth is cover for a fairly obvious crime, one finds oneself in a very difficult position of adjudication of an impossible situation.
My view -- I would not call it cynical and instead see it as realistic -- is that History in no sense is finished. Those terrible events, those catastrophic events, of the entire 20th century: these 2 wars which have undermined Europe and seem to presage the destruction of it, and all that has spun out of this as 'aftermath', are all still in motion. To put it in direct terms I would say (excuse me if I am dramatizing) that annihilation is still a specter hanging over history (if I can put it like this). Whatever happened in Europe in the Twentieth Century (hard to define what did happen) is still in movement. This points toward a prognostication but
Who sees? What Seer can envision where this tends?
I have to confess that when I watched the ceremonials of the establishment of the embassy in Jerusalem -- the smiles, the glee even, the sense of having prevailed historically -- it seemed to me that no one there could entertain the possibility that (and excuse me if I am wrong: I might be) that the project is *destined* to fail. It is interesting to consider why, from within the structure of the larger Story (the Biblical story) why this is so. Let me put it this way: The Return to Israel was not brought about by *God* but by an act of the will of man. In fact, again if I am not mistaken, by men who were not really Jews in the religious sense, but essentially atheists. According to the religious narrative itself this manoeuvre is destined to fail. Man proposes, God disposes, that sort of thing.
The tragedy of Zionism is that they wished to erect a profile, a story about a "people" and their historical struggle in the very age where those stories are fading and losing relevance, meaning and connectivity. And instead a bloody fantasy was created and needs an utter mindless, mind killing, defending against "barbarians at the door". However the Palestinians are possibly in a worse state: they share the ambition but lack of funding, lack of ruthless tactical organization, leaving them with a fantasy and not more else. The irony is that the moment they'd give up the struggle for people-hood, the Zionist project will collapse from the inside out, as well, and be replaced by something else entirely, over time.
You are failing to take into consideration that you are referring to *yourself* (you as a European generality). In fact, worldwide, the *religious narrative* has exploded in its reach. See Peter Berger and
the rise of Pentecostalism. But it is true that among those of the European intellectual classes most are unable to *see* the former mythos as *being real*. Nevertheless, it is true that Israel, through its Public Relations, plays itself out through, if you will permit this turn of phrase, a manipulation of beliefs in relation to itself. As for example when considering the manipulation (exploitation is perhaps a better word) of American Evangelicals and the collusion necessary to avail the American State to more or less open service to the Israeli historical project.
As you-plural know, there is a story-line circulating on the Webs that 9/11 was engineered by a para-governmental and Mossad-like intelligence clique. What that means, what the declaration resolves to, is a hyper-intelligent in the sense of hyper-historically-aware group of planners and actors who have resolved to take history by its horns, as it were, and mold it to the existential and survivalist will of Israel. But what is *Israel*? What does this now mean? What does Jew mean? There, the entire story does indeed get murky and very very strange. Because it means more than just a (religious) idea, it actually seems to correspond to a Multinational and corporate power-structure: an intricate system of terrestrial power and management. In the Diaspora one of the *utilities* of intelligent and capable Jewry had been *service to the King*. That is, service to terrestrial power.
Thus, what *Israel* mean and what *Jew* means is actually, as it takes terrestrial form, the very structure of *world domination* (though I regret putting it in those terms). The only power that could solidify Israel is terrestrial power, the power of the war-machine, and the will of the dominant players. Therefor, the entire realization of the Israel Project begins to take on a very odd cast. Put another way, it has no metaphysical nor transcendent aspect. So, within the story-line itself it must play the villain. This is one of the horrifying contradictions of the Jewish construct itself!
The relevance to this thread is the notion that are no meaningful "European people" -- not before the modern era. And it's hard to press for anything like that on any serious scale at all globally. Instead you had, as Shlomo wrote: " large clans, tribes, powerful kingdoms, large principalities, religious communities and other groups with various forms of political and social bonds – usually loose ones". And these bonds were too loose to speak about distinct genetics as defining factor.
No, that is not the sole 'relevance' of the thread, since there are many levels of relevance. If in
you all possible *identifications* have fallen down and you can erect no one of them -- all are *seductions* -- that does not mean that identity and identification are not still relevant or valid. It just means means that you are a musical instrument of your time that trumpets forth a particular, rather dry, melody. Again, you-Diebert are a specific
outcome of a specific motion within Postwar European history. You seem less an
agent of that history and more an automatic rendering, if you catch my meaning. That is, you are not creating yourself, you are merely expressing what had been created.
The notion of European Identity, and I must parenthesize that by saying *in the best sense* and in the ideal sense, is a genuine recovery of solid and substantial values. It will either be done or it won't be done let's put it that way. It is a recovery as-against what is eating away at them and it. You have been involved (since 2006!) in an Acidic Project that represents and
emblemizes the will-to-destruction that came out of the Catastrophes of the Twentieth Century.
Your discourse is a Swan Song. You
now know this because I have brought this message home to you in such powerful terms. You are the Genius Forum victim, both in the sense of being the chief protagonist of its self-destructive *philosophy*, and the most European element that expresses its will-to-die! To go forward you must come back to life. I call to you from the upper regions. Awake, child!
This is the most amazing part here. It has taken so long to reveal this in clarity and yet it has been clearly done!