Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

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SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 1:27 am

It is my belief the Buddha got so sick and tired of learning from supposed "masters" who wanted him to bow to statues that he rebelled.
He learned everything the greatest Hindu "masters" had to teach and went out into Nature determined to learn DIRECTLY from Nature.
He was certain there had to be a better way than bowing down to statues and was determined to find that better way or fast
until he was dead.

Under the bodhi tree, surrounded by Nature, the Buddha became "enlightened". He discovered a way that did not involve
blindly believing stories and myths he could not personally verify to be true and accurate. What eventually happened?

THE IDIOTS CREATED STATUES OF HIM AND NOW BOW DOWN TO THEM.

I hardly think the Buddha would have approved of that. I have never read any stories that the Buddha endorsed people
making statues of him and bowing down to them. Such are the ways of man.

It is said Charles Darwin felt the eye was a paradox that seemed ridiculous to consider was created through natural selection random chance mutations.
By now science should have repeatable, observable scientific experiments demonstrating that is how the eye is being created.
They've got nothing but the types of fancy rhetoric this guy was brainwashed with and YOU use a picture of a Buddhist statue to represent yourself.
Oh well....

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 3:02 am

MY EMAIL TO A FRIEND:

Hi Again,

I would only think to tell you this, but when I saw the beginning
of that Indian television program and read the subtitled responses of Lord Vishnu
my heart was once again awakened to my love for Krishna.

I expressed my adoration and loving gratitude to Lord Vishnu
and I received a message in my mind through my very own thoughts
that I should read the Bhagavad-Gita. It was quite a jolt as
I never expected to receive such an inspiration from the Lord.

I searched through my Kindle books as I most enjoy reading
on my giant screen television set and found the Easwaran translation
of the Bhagavad-Gita. I was once again impressed by how easy
it is to understand the words of Krishna in that translation.

I decided to do an online study of other translations
and was amazed to find that literal translations of the Gita
often sounded rather forced and disjointed by comparison.
They left one with a desperate need to read the commentary
in order to understand what was being said by Krishna.

Also, one verse at a time and a long commentary
makes it difficult to read Krishna's words as a narrative.
The Easwaran translation may not be perfect, but it
is indeed a song to my heart compared to other translations.

Using my technique of substituting the words love or adoration
every time I read the word "worship" behold how pure and to the heart
the words of Krishna can be:

9:13 But truly great souls seek my divine nature.
They adore me with one-pointed mind, having realized
that I am the eternal source of all.

14 Constantly striving,
they make firm their resolve and love me without wavering.
Full of devotion they sing of my divine glory.

MY COMMENTARY:

In my view, true love and adoration far outweigh worship.
As I write this my heart is truly "singing" of the divine glory
of Lord Krishna. To me the names Krishna and Vishnu
are indeed interchangeable; as is the name of Lord Ram.
My heart 'sings' of the Oneness of Lord Vishnu
in and through His Creation. It brings my heart great pleasure
to share this 'song' of diving inspiration with you.
YOU are the only person in my whole world I feel comfortable
sharing this with. That truly make you precious to me.

17 I am the father and mother of this universe,
and its grandfather too; I am its entire support.
I am the sum of all knowledge, the purifier,
the syllable OM; I am the sacred scriptures,
the Rig, Vajur, and Sama Vedas

18 I am the goal of life, the Lord and support of all,
the inner witness, the abode of all.
I am the only refuge, the one true friend.
I am the beginning, the staying and the end of creation.
I am the womb and the eternal seed.

MY COMMENTARY:

It is said old classic science was absolutely certain
that the building blocks of matter were made up of atoms
that were like billiard balls of dependably solid mass.

As microscopes became more powerful
a whole new world emerged and a science as well.
It is called Quantum Physics or Quantum Mechanics
and it is turning the old classic scientific paradigm
on its proverbial head.

Supposedly, atoms are not solid at all.
They are made up of mostly empty vacuum space
and that apparent empty space is, in actuality,
filled with inconceivable energy that some call:
the zero-point field.

Supposedly, the electrons and protons of atoms
are NOT solid at all. They are like 'bags' of
inconceivable energy that defy all sense
of human logic and reason.

As I continue to Spiritually advance I am seeing
Lord Vishnu more and more in everything around me.
I believe the Supersoul is this inconceivable
zero-point energy field that makes up everything around us.

I am towards the manifestation of the miraculous in my life
and, of course, since that is my relentless goal
that is what is happening.

HOWEVER, I am determined that I do NOT manifest too much.
I ALWAYS want people to be able to write off the manifestations
as "coincidence" and it is my sincere desire that Lord Vishnu
will be merciful and NOT allow me to manifest too much
of his Divine Power.

If I can become a master of my own health, strength
and overflowing abundant prosperity that will be enough.
If Lord Vishnu will inspire the greatest musical offerings
I can ever envision towards his laughter, joy and happiness
that will be enough. If no matter what is going on in the universe
whenever Lord Vishnu thinks of me he is inspired to
laugh, dance, sing and bless my life with precious gifts of the Spirit
that will be more than enough for me.

I HAVE NO DESIRE TO GO ON SOME GREAT DEMON KILLING MISSION.

I HAVE NO DESIRE TO DIE FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD!!

AMEN!!!

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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 3:20 am

I just saw that you transferred my topic thread to the "Worldly Matters" forum.
Apparently, you feel what I just wrote constitutes "Worldly Matters".
You people are pathetic!

The truth nails you for what you truly are and you just want to hide the truth
in favor of your dementedly defective BLIND FAITH scientific beliefs.

Oh well...

It's pointless trying to have a spiritual conversation with a slug.
You obviously have nothing worthwhile to teach and
you are not interested in learning anything outside of
your little 'box' of certainties. No big surprise there.

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 3:30 am

If I am a true "genius" how would you know? Because I would see things exactly as YOU do?
Is that your proverbial 'litmus test'? I say you wouldn't know a true genius even if he was standing
right in front of you. Chances are you would brand him a 'weirdo' and relegate him to the
"Worldly Matters" section of your puny mediocre science brainwashed minds.

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:32 am

From my studies, true geniuses are unconventional thinkers.
A really smart person comes up with great ideas.
A true genius comes up with ideas others would have never considered.

It's not because he is intrinsically "smarter".
It is because he has a special sensitivity to some sort of
universal mind that permeates the entire universe.
Like Mozart who was doing his best to translate music of the universe
he heard in his mind, so too are the great geniuses who have been able
to tap into this infinite source of Universal Mind.

Newton was a genius and believed the universe was intelligently designed.
Of course, you atheists know better about such matters, right?

Max Planck was a genius and was certain the universe was intelligently designed
Of course, you know better than him as well, right?

"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force...
We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind.
This Mind is the matrix of all matter." - Max Planck

It is said that Einstein was NOT an atheist either.
He believed in Spinoza's God of Nature.
He believed the universe was intelligently designed.

Of course, you 'geniuses' here know better than Einstein as well, right?
You know that Einstein believed without any evidence whatsoever to back him up, right?

All you really know is how to parrot people like Richard Dawkins.
If Dawkins says it that's good enough for you to blindly believe it
thus proving to all that...

YOU ARE NOT GENIUSES!!

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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Thu May 18, 2017 7:03 am

SalMinolta wrote:I just saw that you transferred my topic thread to the "Worldly Matters" forum.
Apparently, you feel what I just wrote constitutes "Worldly Matters".
Correct. As you are raising many scientifically complex questions as a lead-in to whatever your larger point might be.
SalMinolta wrote:It's not because he is intrinsically "smarter". It is because he has a special sensitivity to some sort of universal mind that permeates the entire universe.
Look, that could be something we can work with! You are assuming too quickly here that nobody understands you. If only you could calm down and treat others first like equals, with equal experiences, perhaps even more knowledge on a few topics, instead of trying to TEACH your THING right away, perhaps there could be an actual conversation following!

This forum is in the end not and never was about Einstein or Newton's religious or scientific ideas. They are all quite immature. But Spinoza I value a lot -- it's actually very like pantheism. Did you actually read Spinoza's Ethics? If not, you could start for example with neuroscientist Antonio Damasio's work "Looking for Spinoza" for a nice appliance of Spinoza's ideas in terms of modern science. A lot of insight on Spinoza and neuroscience in one book!

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 12:41 pm

What I wrote about the Buddha and Krishna constitute "worldly matters"?

You people seem to feel that true enlightenment is completely separate from science.
That is a very ignorant stance to take. Note how my view of enlightenment
incorporates the most recent discoveries in Quantum Physics.

It is the ignorance of staunch, primitive-minded atheist scientific types
who feel spiritual matters and worldly matters are completely separate.
The truly enlightened know that it is all ONE.

I believe enlightenment is an infinite process that begins
when one uses advanced meditation techniques to get past the ego
and taps into the infinite. Once one begins to tap into the essence
of pre-life memories one is truly "enlightened"

A true "genius" or "enlightened being" is not determined by
what flake fools like YOU think. YOUR evaluations DO NOT
necessarily determine who is truly a "genius" or "enlightened"

Just because some Buddhist guy wears fancy robes
and has lots of followers does not necessarily mean he is "enlightened".
He may be or it may all be for show to fool the gullibly ignorant.

SalMinolta

Re: The Truth of Enlightenment

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 12:43 pm

SalMinolta wrote:Your type enjoys making things as confusing and convoluted as possible.
As I began this topic thread I stated that in order to be truly "enlightened" you must face the truth even if that truth is NOT to your liking.

THE TRUTH IS:

There is no repeatable, observable scientific evidence that the human eye is continually being created by random chance mutations, yet mainstream science tends to act as though they have all the scientific evidence in the world that the eye is indeed being continually created by random chance mutations.

IT IS A SPECULATIVE MYTH, NOT A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY

Can we agree on that?

I've found the only way to deal with your slippery type is to address ONE POINT AT A TIME and fully resolve it before going on the the next point. How about being straight forward and honest instead of trying to make things overly complicated and confusing?
Let's settle this matter first and then go on from there. I'm not going to allow you to pull the 'change the topic when cornered' trick you atheist types tend to be famous for. Address this matter first and then we can go on from there. I'm no longer as stupid as I used to be.

I THOUGHT I MADE IT CLEAR THAT I AM NOT HERE TO TEACH. I am here to test my current beliefs in order to, hopefully, improve upon them.

I believe we have all been subjected to the most advanced mind-control techniques the Operation Paperclip NAZIS could come up with. It is my belief that those mind-control techniques have been embedded into us through the liberal, atheist scholastic systems and are now being POWERFULLY REINFORCED through the media ESPECIALLY since all television has gone to high definition. The television programs are the BAIT. While they hold the attention they are programming people's minds through hypnosis and the weak-minded are caught like metal attracted to a magnet.

I no longer watch much commercial television. I stream Netflix, Hulu and watch things I find interesting on YouTube, Curiosity Stream and now the Gaia network. I can sense the evil intent of those who create new mainstream media television programs. I am now convinced It's all part of an agenda filled with many conspiracies.


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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 12:58 pm

I believe it is no "coincidence" that there are now so many gays and lesbians in the world.
Making people immoral is a part of the secret Leftist atheist agenda.
It's no coincidence that they have brainwashed us to accept the opinions of atheists scientists
as though they are the veritable WORD OF GOD!!

IT IS MY BELIEF that causing people to blindly believe stories they cannot possibly personally verify
as true and accurate is at the core of successful mind control, and religions have been the earliest
forms of mind control of the masses.

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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Thu May 18, 2017 3:45 pm

Hi please refrain from posting images unless it's crucial to the point you're making. Like the CAPS, it's really a form of loudness but this one is also opposed by the forum guidelines. This is a text-only forum which encourages thought, writing, logic, depth etc.
Making people immoral is a part of the secret Leftist atheist agenda.
Ignorance is a way bigger problem than any political or religious agenda. As for atheists, you sound like one your self when saying "religions have been the earliest forms of mind control of the masses". The mind is controlled because of the desire to believe.
IT IS MY BELIEF that causing people to blindly believe stories they cannot possibly personally verify as true and accurate is at the core of successful mind control, and religions have been the earliest forms of mind control of the masses.
Yes, but that's not a belief but a good starting point to do philosophy. What is real, what can be really known? What's the nature of knowledge. How to gain certainty and is absolute certainty about anything possible?

Some people grab on to religious experiences or scientific models for answers but philosophy is always about asking greater questions and then move forward with the truths you can personally verify to be true but that needs painful scrutiny.

And then a personal journey starts but as you can read elsewhere at the forum or for example The Wisdom of the Infinite written by one of the forum founders, which gives a good overview of the enlightenment discussed around here including the impossibilities, like all what can never be discovered because of the nature of all things.

SalMinolta

Re: Examining The Wisdom of the Infinite

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 3:50 pm

Isn't it accepted that you cannot prove a negative?
Where is your evidence there are no unicorns?
That's usually the way it goes, right?

To those who challenge me to prove
there is an intelligent designer of the universe I say:
Prove to me that your mother loves you.
Go ahead and try and I will easily debunk all your efforts.

If you cannot even prove to me that your mother loves you
how can you expect me to prove to you
that the Intelligent Designer of the Universe loves me?

We think we perceive the world, but in actually,
we are only perceiving an interpretation of some great mystery
through senses we empirically know are easily tricked.
Science should always keep this in mind before they
jump to all kinds of wild certainties that are not backed
by repeatable, observable scientific experiments.

It's amazing how much crap we are expected to believe
at face value just because some twit with fancy degrees
says it is a fact. I am no longer that stupid.
How about you?

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 3:55 pm

Your 'cup' is full and there is no room left for anything else.
You view reality from your tiny little 'box' of certainties
and are obviously certain there is nothing more besides what you believe is true.
Talking to you is like talking to a wall.
It's pointless.

Believe whatever you like

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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Thu May 18, 2017 3:59 pm

SalMinolta wrote:Your 'cup' is full and there is no room left for anything else.
You view reality from your tiny little 'box' of certainties
and are obviously certain there is nothing more besides what you believe is true.
I THOUGHT I MADE IT CLEAR THAT I AM NOT HERE TO TEACH. I am here to test my current beliefs in order to, hopefully, improve upon them.
So you want to poor me something , into my CUP? Or not? Make up your mind. So far I've not stated any belief. All I do is challenging yours, my friend. You seem to have a lot of convictions and conclusions. But instead of discussing them, you see them everywhere in everyone else!

Name one thing I've said (please quote) which you think I'm certain of. Scientific research does not claim certainty.

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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:01 pm

I've learned that the only way to know the infinite is for the infinite having a 'gesture' with you.
Without such 'gestures' from the Infinite there are no great realizations; there are only stories
'tales of power' that supposedly happened in ages past, but are not happening now.

I still say a great genius could be standing right in front of you and you wouldn't have a clue.
You would call him a "weirdo" and relegate him to the 'worldly matters' sections of
your mediocre mind.

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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:03 pm

I am here to test my beliefs in order to improve upon them.
I am here to learn, if you have anything worthwhile to teach.
You are not on this thread to learn anything and I have no desire to teach you anything.
However, I don't mind pointing out the flaws in your reasoning.
Of course, you will learn nothing from my pointing such things out.
Your proverbial 'cup' is full of it!!

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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Thu May 18, 2017 4:03 pm

SalMinolta wrote:I've learned that the only way to know the infinite is for the infinite having a 'gesture' with you.
Without such 'gestures' from the Infinite there are no great realizations; there are only stories
'tales of power' that supposedly happened in ages past, but are not happening now.
Sure but be careful when you start to believe the infinite selected only you to gesture to! That's religion, that's' brainwashing.
I still say a great genius could be standing right in front of you and you wouldn't have a clue.
You would call him a "weirdo" and relegate him to the 'worldly matters' sections of
your mediocre mind.
The same, of course, holds true for your own position. Can you see that?

SalMinolta

Re: The Truth of Enlightenment

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:08 pm

SalMinolta wrote:Your type enjoys making things as confusing and convoluted as possible.
As I began this topic thread I stated that in order to be truly "enlightened" you must face the truth even if that truth is NOT to your liking.

THE TRUTH IS:

There is no repeatable, observable scientific evidence that the human eye is continually being created by random chance mutations, yet mainstream science tends to act as though they have all the scientific evidence in the world that the eye is indeed being continually created by random chance mutations.

IT IS A SPECULATIVE MYTH, NOT A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY

Can we agree on that?

I've found the only way to deal with your slippery type is to address ONE POINT AT A TIME and fully resolve it before going on the the next point. How about being straight forward and honest instead of trying to make things overly complicated and confusing?
The fact that you continue to ignore this makes it quite clear that you are too proud to openly admit that you may be wrong


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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:10 pm

I feel that to be a true genius means that you are always open to new ideas.
You atheist types tend to have minds that are closed and sealed like
a locked garbage dumpster. You only allow in what those who have brainwashed you
say is true and valid and summarily reject the rest.

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:12 pm

I believe that the truly "enlightened" know through intimate empirical associations with Nature
that the Earth is a living being and Galaxies are living organism. All those who do not know this empirically
are not enlightened no matter how "enlightened" they may think they are.

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Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:16 pm

I believe the pushing of Darwinian evolution is part of a sinister agenda designed
to cut people off from the Source of their Creation. The last thing those in charge want
are people making their own personal connections to the Infinite.
The last thing they want are people who critically think in miraculous ways
seeing through the proverbial 'smokescreen' of disinformation and delusion
they continually bombard the ignorant masses with.

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:24 pm

I just caught the tail end of a MASH program that ended with a Father Mulcahy segment.
He is the military's idea of what a truly "enlightened" person is: weak and wimpy.
There is no way a strong man whose resolve is relentless is considered truly "enlightened"
by the liberal Leftist agenda. Weak, wimpy with an easily swayed opinion.
That's the type of "enlightened" men the Liberal atheist agenda is willing to tolerate.

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:34 pm

I believe in creating one point per post in a situation like this one.
You atheist types tend to address many points in a post in order to
obscure and convolute. The only way I have found to deal with your types
is to address one point at a time until it is resolved. Oh, you don't want to do that.
You're the type who likes to twist and confuse issues and change the subject when cornered.
The proof is you continue to ignore this:

"THE TRUTH IS:

There is no repeatable, observable scientific evidence that the human eye is continually being created by random chance mutations, yet mainstream science tends to act as though they have all the scientific evidence in the world that the eye is indeed being continually created by random chance mutations.

IT IS A SPECULATIVE MYTH, NOT A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY

Can we agree on that?"

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 4:47 pm

YOU WROTE:

Sure but be careful when you start to believe the infinite selected only you to gesture to! That's religion, that's' brainwashing.

MY RESPONSE:

Where have I given any indication that is what I believe? I always question my inspirations if I feel they are communications from the Infinite.
I've been tricked too many times by...whatever. The phony tries to sweep his false impressions under a proverbial carpet.
The honorable person openly admits when he finds his imagination has tricked him again.

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 5:12 pm

Let's get real, shall we?

We all know, in our hearts, that if science suddenly
came across irrefutable proof that Darwinian evolution
is dead wrong they would hide all the evidence.
They would most probably ridicule it openly
and discredit anyone who tries to point the evidence out.

I venture mainstream science would be more than willing
to kill anyone who tries to get the world to
see the evidence for themselves.

Before you blindly believe mainstream science
do yourselves a favor. Research into

Corruption in Science and in the Scientific Peer Review Process

https://www.google.com/search?q=Corrupt ... e&ie=UTF-8

SalMinolta

Re: Scientific certainty (was "The Truth of Enlightenment")

Post by SalMinolta » Thu May 18, 2017 5:22 pm

Do you honestly feel that if some prominent atheist like Richard Dawkins
actually saw a UFO, was abducted, and painfully experimented on
that he would openly come out and say that the UFO enigma is real?

Not on your lives!!! The subject is tabooed by the mainstream scientific community.
They don't care what evidence anyone has to offer in favor of it.
They are commanded to ridicule the very concept and that is exactly what they will do!!

Is it real? I don't know. Sure looks real, but in this day and age who really knows anymore?
You???? Ha!! Give me a break!!

https://youtu.be/7wMlqdP8IlY

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