The U.S. and the 10 steps to fascism

[integral]

Hi Ibanez: I think that in a marketplace where there is freedom of choice, if there is a demand for a specific service (i.e. low cost health care), it will be tend to be provided if it is profitable for an individual to do so.

In the current system, there is a doctor monopoly on primary healthcare. Ron Paul wants to remove this monopoly which will allow nurses, who can offer lower cost treatment, to provide this service.

But I agree with Toban that this is nitpicking compared with abolishing the Fed.
What do you think?

p.s. How's the Jems?

[daybrown]

Hi Ibanez: I think that in a marketplace where there is freedom of choice, if there is a demand for a specific service (i.e. low cost health care), it will be tend to be provided if it is profitable for an individual to do so.

In the current system, there is a doctor monopoly on primary healthcare. Ron Paul wants to remove this monopoly which will allow nurses, who can offer lower cost treatment, to provide this service.

Lets begin with noting that the US army has been a socialist institution supported by the taxpayers. Blackwater, OTOH, has not, and has operations in areas that are not supported by the taxpayers.

We have a word for Capitalist armies:"mercenary". So- are there any true capitalists here, or is it that they want some things run in a socialist manner, whereas others, that they seem to feel fit to compete in, why those they want run in a capitalist manner?

One of the reasons I was glad to return to Arkansas is that the hold on the medical system was never completed and they never quit using midwives here. Some of my friends are medical transcriptionists, one of whom is especially valued because she studied linguistics, and can understand Hindu doctors. Whether nurses can is an interesting question.

I think we already have socialized medicine, run by the AMA, for the public financial health of doctors. A nurse sitting at a PC during the initial contact with the patient could be clued in by knowledge database software more accurately than a doctor winging it on his own.

But we are where we are. You have freedom of choice like you have free speech. But nobody gives a fuck what you say. The only speech that has any impact on the system is that which is bought by the corporations for presentation in corporate media. You dont have any free choice that means anything in healthcare. We dont know anything reliably about the doctors, or the statistics on the care from clinics and hospitals until the performance is so bad it reaches the attention of the media.

Healthcare is not now, nor has it ever been, a capitalist market where consumers could go out and kick the tires, and look at the actual, not estimated, price. Yes, there are quacks outside the AMA. But there are quacks inside the AMA also. Moreover, you dont plan a medical emergency like a new car, but when you get hit, are grateful to live long enuf to enter whatever medical facility is closest to the scene. Zat sound like capitalism?

Anyone ever ask Ron Paul if he ever shopped for an ER? Ever since the Romans figured out that good public health was good military policy, Hygiene and quarantine have been important in keeping the ranks healthy enuf to fight, and the citizens healthy enuf to make the silver to pay them. And now we got illegals coming in that have not been properly immunized. WTF are we doing in Iraq if we cant control our own border?

If you people had any brains, you'd have neighborhood clinics setup all over the barrio so that any time some kid gets sick, the kid gets taken care of and isolated so he dont bring it with him into the schools where your kids are. Or the shopping malls. Hello? Ron? Whatcha say?

Hillary? Rudy? Libertarians? Greens? At least with fascism that the leader may be rational; I know that 20th century tyrants have been notorious disasters. But it took a Tokugawa to turn things around in Japan, and it took a Dion to respond in time to an Athenian invasion. Which was another disaster for those who thot they'd spread democracy.

Any nominations for tyrant?

[hsandman]

I actually think this guy is great, has balls too. The production value of this promo sux though. ^.^

Youtube link on social situation.

daybrown: I think he is a Jew with concience.(Speculating that here.) :-)

[daybrown]

I actually think this guy is great, has balls too. The production value of this promo sux though. ^.^
Youtube link on social situation.
daybrown: I think he is a Jew with concience.(Speculating that here.) :-)

i was really lucky; altho born on a farm, I entered North High in MPLS, which at the time was 1/3 WASP, 1/3 Black, !/3 Jewish. A vivid, and rapid exposure to multiculturalism. And yes, I met lotsa idealistic liberal Jews with a lot more social consciousness than the Christians.

Jack Shepard's enthusiasm and criticism of the systemic corruption is familiar. But his website, hosted by Yahoo of all people.... sux too. I mean look, he's down on corporate cronyism, but then uses Yahoo, a subsidiary of the worlds greatest monopoly Microsoft to host his website?

And his webmaster has filled the page with extraneous bloatware so the only people with the patience to wait for it to load are urban core professionals with the highest bandwidth. Anyone back on the farm in Minn, or out beyond the cable, too poor to own a satellite dish, wont wait to see what he has to say. Prolly wont render correctly with Linux either. You'd need Win XP with a thousand dollars of hot iron on the desktop sucking a couple hundred watts.

And yes, Hillary spoke to AIRPAC. Given the Jewish control of the mass media, if you wanna get elected, its the only way to go. Cause Jack dont get that, he wont be working in the Oval office. I'd be more interested to hear, what- if anything- Hillary actually promised the Jews. You know, she appears everywhere, seems to listen what people there say to her, but when at the podium, she dont ever actually say anything. That bitch is smart.

And if Iran thinks she'd drop nukes on their ass, well that's smart too. She dont havta do it, she just hasta act like she will. If Jack thinks she will, the Iranians prolly will as well. Machiavelli would admire the way the bitch is carrying on. Forget democracy; for that, we'd need a rational electorate. Is Iran a democracy? Or a place run like religious demagogues? Who the fuck are the Neocons? They feed off each other.

Hillary will play that game differently, and that will really fuck with their misogynistic trip. I can see her appointing Valerie Plame to head the CIA. If the ragheads think they hate the US now, just wait til the Uberwench take over. There is a way to run a global colonial empire, and I think these bitches will be able to figure that out.

[hsandman]

daybrown: "You'd need Win XP with a thousand dollars of hot iron on the desktop sucking a couple hundred watts. "

The 550 W power box in my pc constantly blew out the fuses.. had to upgrade.. =) Nice spot.

That thing that she says " All options are on the table" -> They are all parroting that one. Bush,Channey(sp?) Really scary.

It's almost a done deal. Iran and all that stems from that, seems to be the plan... It's more like when, than if. Do you think that would be out of character for USA? My memory is not that short.

[Ibanez]

Hi Ibanez: I think that in a marketplace where there is freedom of choice, if there is a demand for a specific service (i.e. low cost health care), it will be tend to be provided if it is profitable for an individual to do so.

Well I'll admit that in a free market it will more than likely work, but since markets are not free and most people's neoliberal definition of "free market" isn't free in it's meaning it's really irrelevant. I view it almost like people demanding better living conditions for slaves but not addressing the underlining inhumanity of slavery to begin with.

Plus I can't stand the simplification in most school courses and daily life such as "Public Sector Bad" and "Private Sector Good."

In the current system, there is a doctor monopoly on primary healthcare. Ron Paul wants to remove this monopoly which will allow nurses, who can offer lower cost treatment, to provide this service.

I don't know enough about nurse training to give an opinion on this.

But I agree with Toban that this is nitpicking compared with abolishing the Fed.
What do you think?

Don't know enough as of now.

p.s. How's the Jems?

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[daybrown]

daybrown: "You'd need Win XP with a thousand dollars of hot iron on the desktop sucking a couple hundred watts. "

The 550 W power box in my pc constantly blew out the fuses.. had to upgrade.. =) Nice spot.

That thing that she says " All options are on the table" -> They are all parroting that one. Bush,Channey(sp?) Really scary.

It's almost a done deal. Iran and all that stems from that, seems to be the plan... It's more like when, than if. Do you think that would be out of character for USA? My memory is not that short.

Not out of character, but maybe out of money.

Machiavelli:"The only time the Italians had any peace was when the French King threatened to invade." So, the global bankers will keep on supporting the dollar so that Bush looks like he could invade, but dont actually want him to do that because the war would mess up the oil infrastructure, and the price of oil is too high already.

They dont haveta print the money anymore, just send the brokers the email to change the numbers in their computers, and then buy or sell stock, bonds, or precious metals as need be to run the prices up or down. 15 months ago, the big 4 precious metals houses colluded to dump silver, and dropped the price from 15$ to 9$ over nite. Now I see that they have dumped enuf to stabilize the price of silver & gold, and bought enuf to stabilize the DOW. But of the 48 global precious metal mining stocks, 40 went up sharply- I spoze they were not paying attention to it.

If a global run on the dollar starts, which I agree would not be smart- but free markets are free to do stupid shit- Bush will be lucky if he can prevent the dissolution of the Untied States, and without the USA to hate, all those tribes in the Mid East will get back to having at each other like hillbilly clans. Bush trying to borrow the money could start the panic run on the dollar.

[DHodges]

15 months ago, the big 4 precious metals houses colluded to dump silver, and dropped the price from 15$ to 9$ over nite. Now I see that they have dumped enuf to stabilize the price of silver & gold, and bought enuf to stabilize the DOW. But of the 48 global precious metal mining stocks, 40 went up sharply- I spoze they were not paying attention to it.

Funny you should mention that. I started watching gold prices back in May or June, thinking it would be a good hedge against inflation.

But every time I was about to buy, the price of gold went up enough to make me reconsider. I don't know why it is so high at the moment, but it is priced unreasonably IMO. I'm going to turn my attention to silver.

If a global run on the dollar starts, which I agree would not be smart- but free markets are free to do stupid shit-

This is a possibility, which is why I'm trying to diversify into non-dollar-denominated assets. But the dollar is weak at the moment; it would have been better to do it when the dollar was stronger.

[daybrown]

http://www.kitco.com/ind/watson/nov132007.html
discusses some of the ways precious metals prices are being manipulated. And we know that other governments are using digital money like the M3 to support stock & bond prices. Altho, I dont think mining stocks needed that support.

Globally you can see the rise in commodities as people realize that all the paper asset values are manipulated by the power elites. Owning non-dollar denominated assets will only work so long as the collapse of the dollar does not lead to collapse elsewhere. Like, if the US does not buy Chinese & Indian output, who will?

Consider getting a 55 gallon barrel with a removable lid. Go to a feed mill, and buy 50lb sacks of grain, and stop at the garden supply for a sack of dusting sulphur. Put the grain sacks in the barrel, then a tuna can with a tablespoon of sulphur- that you ignite before you put it in, then shut the lid. The sulphur dioxide that results will kill any bugs in the grain. It'll keep for years.

Like money in the bank, or gold in vault. as the prices rise, you can sell some as needed. But unlike everything else, if things get bad enuf. you can eat it.

[ZenMuadDib]

Let's not and say we didn't.

The "Ron Paul Revolution" will come at the expense of health care, education, and social services. Ron Paul is a hardcore libertarian capitalist who will not hesitate to slash public spending across the board. The few extra dollars the average American will save as a result of this are not worth what they will ultimately cost. A nation which thinks it can do without social services is one which sells out its own future for short-term gain.

Ron Paul is not the answer. For a real revolution, a progressive one, we could not do better than Dennis Kucinich. Ron Paul will send us further down the road to regression, adding even more distance between us and the rest of the developed world. Dennis Kucinich, on the other hand, will finally make America a true first-world nation.

Again I agree with you. Ron Paul loves the free market at the expense of the vast majority of people in this country.

[daybrown]

Both Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinch would be ideological disasters. I would think that, by now, we can see that if you feed poor people you breed them. You dont get more middle class people. Ron Paul's idea of starving them out wont work either. We simply dont have enuf of the kind of hard corps Nazis that it takes.

Already, murdering a few dozen Iraqis finds the soldiers back home suffering with PTSD. No, more likely is the old fashioned way with revolution and famine killing off most of the dumb fucks. You just cant run a decent fascist state with a nation of couch spuds.

[DHodges]

...but what does Jihad Jerry have to say?

So it makes people wish for the "good ol' days" when there was still some semblance of civilized life. But I really think that it's gonna get so bad that possibly -- at that point -- people will be interested once again in men who are logical and rational, men who are wise, and not these kind of fanatical men of faith who keep taking us off the edge of a cliff. So it's possible it'll get just so bad that people will go, "You know we've had enough of this."

The State of American Politics

[hsandman]

Both Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinch would be ideological disasters. I would think that, by now, we can see that if you feed poor people you breed them. You dont get more middle class people. Ron Paul's idea of starving them out wont work either. We simply dont have enuf of the kind of hard corps Nazis that it takes.

daybrown.

What do you mean by Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinch would be ideological disasters? Can you elaborate more on that?

I would think that, by now, we can see that if you feed poor people you breed them.

You speak of poor people as if they are some sort of different race or bread. When did this split in genetic line occur? Can you elaborate more on this?

Already, murdering a few dozen Iraqis finds the soldiers back home suffering with PTSD. No, more likely is the old fashioned way with revolution and famine killing off most of the dumb fucks. You just cant run a decent fascist state with a nation of couch spuds.

It's called conscience and regret, I think, It takes special kind of animal to pray on it's own kind.. and to do it whole sale. Upsets the balance of the mind I think.

Sometimes I don't know if you are being ironic or cynical. Can you clarify on this as well? What am I missing? :-S

Because they are couch spuds they are so desensitized.. the TV is doing it <- Perfect for decent fascist state. In the same way majority of Romans were Coliseum addicts =

1)Distracted from the real problems of the world they live in.
2)Desensitized to the problems of the world they live in.
3)Manipulated to actively ignore the problems.
The list goes on... TV = The greatest mind control machine ever (AFIK) <-<- Perfect for decent fascist state.

Edit: If you know the George Orwells 1984 Big Brother was very fond of having a tv in every home... spare no cost and have it run 24/7 -> "thems the rules."

[daybrown]

Ron Paul is correct that you dont want a fiat currency. But you dont base it on something your nation does not have a dominant position. Rather than gold, which would further enrich the elite that has already bought a lot of it- (You've seen the Monex commercials with the upper crust chick selling gold?) but something the nation produces like corn, wheat, rice, & soybeans. Its been done like this before. The Sumerians collected taxes in the form of Grain, and Athens accepted tribute as grain as well. Whereas grain usta have the problem of vermin destroying it, we now have the technology to solve that problem. But Ron Paul cant think far enuf out of the box to see this, but sees the hype already behind gold.

Kucinich has a similar problem, pandering to the liberals by wanting to take money from the rich to give to the poor. Again, he cant pull his head out of his ass far enough to see that the rich will simply get on a plane and move to the Bahamas or wherever has more respect for their sense of ownership. Moreover, when we look at the poor people who've won the lottery or whatever, they still dont know how to manage money, and it dont last long. The poor dont need more money, they need more intensive case management. The rich would leave the country with their money, but leave the poor with the rest of us.

And, wherever they go, they will look for local opportunities for investment. I see this going on in the Southern Ozarks right now, with so many of the owners of starter castles and Mcmansions finding new businesses to start up. The Laffer curve is not linear, so we have passed the point of diminishing returns and increasing deficits. But in my neck of woods, the small hill town schools were backward, but still work, the Fayetteville Shale gas field has kicked the economy, and the tax money was used to improve the roads and bring city water out along all the paved roads. ie, infrastructure investment that then drew real estate investment, which drew upper income investors.

Nationally the Laffer curve peaked cause it didnt find a new energy supply, and failed to even look for a way to substantially reduce energy consumption. Neither Ron Paul nor Dennis Kucinich have proposed anything to drive down consumption to a sustainable level. They both seem to think the current economic conditions will continue. Which is impossible as long as the price of oil keeps going up.

As for the poor, hominid evolution was in small gene pools with elders, witches, and shamen helping to raise the kids of incompetent parents in order to maximize diversity and minimize inbreeding. The poor are still with us, and still instinctively feel there is someone watching out for them. They exist in all gene pools, but since Native Europeans had villages of 150-300, they had a less pressing need for diversity, whereas Africans evolved in tribes of 75-150, and needed all the diversity they could get, especially faced with so many more tropical diseases that needed an immune response more than talent, character, or intelligence.

Read Machiavelli. You too can become ironic and cynical. "When you have a man killed, make sure his son will inherit the estate. Half the sons will have hated the old man so much they will be your secret allies." Is this ironic or cynical? As may be, but it is also certainly true. Speaking of a litigant:"He comes from a line of lairs and thieves that goes back 500 years in the court records of Padua." Some of the poor are so because they are honest. But some are poor only because they are not smart and daring enuf to be successful thieves. The Italians are not the only ones with "crime families".

Agreed about the Colliseum addicts. But Rome was only a million. Most of the hundred million in the empire lived on the farm. There was an abundant supply of big strong farm boys for the legions to impose order on the sheeple, many of whom came from Germany. Already, by the time of Claudius, the Praetorian guard, who also maintained control in the city, was entirely made up of Germans. "Das Kaiser" goes back a damn long ways, and so does the kick ass Nazi personality.

But now, only 1% of the population lives on farms. And whereas Claudius had gold and silver Dinari to pay the troops with, all the generals have now is nice lithographs of dead presidents. If there is a financial panic (agreed not a good idea) that destroys the dollar, goon squads who are now enlisted will go into business for themselves rather than support some kind of draconian attempt to tyrannically impose order.

The dissolution of the Untied States of Denial will solve a lotta problems for the greedy. They can seize the farmland and oil fields, but make the cities, which dont produce anything they need, de facto concentration camps. Well, there mite be a more abundant supply of anorexic bimbos.

I agree that TV is the greatest mind control system ever, but it is funded by commercials. What happens when the money to pay the staff and electric bill evaporates? We also see Youtube putting out video that has not been filtered by the system; as the bandwidth expands, and the low cost means that commercials are not needed, never mind what Tivo does to skip past the ads, the whole economic underpinning of media is at risk.

I think people will prefer listening to dialogue that is not 'beeped'. Ever come across this?

<This was originally shown on BBC TV back in the seventies. Ronnie Barker could say all this without a snigger (though god knows how many takes). Irony is that they received not one complaint. The speed of delivery must have been too much for the whining herds. Try getting through it without converting the spoonerisms [and not wetting your pants] as you read .

This is the story of Rindercella and her sugly isters.

Rindercella and her sugly isters lived in a marge lansion. Rindercella worked very hard frubbing sloors, emptying poss pits, and shivelling shot. At the end of the day, she was knucking fackered. The sugly isters were right bugly astards. One was called Mary Hinge, and the other was called Betty Swallocks; they were really forrible huckers; they had fetty sweet and
fetty swannies. The sugly isters had tickets to go to the ball, but the cotton runts would not let Rindercella go.

Suddenly there was a bucking fang, and her gairy fodmother appeared. Her name was Shairy Hithole and she was a light rucking fesbian. She turned a pumpkin and six mite wice into a hucking cuge farriage with six dandy ronkeys who had buge hollocks and dig bicks. The gairy fodmother told Rindercella to be back by dimnlight otherwise, there would be a cucking falamity.

At the ball, Rindercella was dancing with the prandsome hince when suddenly the clock struck twelve. "Mist all chucking frighty!!!" said Rindercella, and she ran out tripping barse over ollocks, so dropping her slass glipper. The very next day the prandsome hince knocked on Rindercella's door and the sugly isters let him in. Suddenly, Betty Swallocks lifted her leg and
let off a fig bart. "Who's fust jarted??" asked the prandsome hince.

"Blame that fugly ucker over there!!" said Mary Hinge. When the stinking brown cloud had lifted, he tried the slass glipper on both the sugly isters without success and their feet stucking funk. Betty Swallocks was ducking fisgusted and gave the prandsome hince a knack in the kickers. This was not difficult as he had bucking fuge halls and a hig bard on.

He tried the slass glipper on Rindercella and it fitted pucking ferfectly. Rindercella and the prandsome hince were married. The pransome hince lived his life in lucking fuxury, and Rindercella lived hers with a follen swanny.>

Spoze they could do it any American TV?

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[DHodges]

What they mean by 'free' is mininal regulation.

Well, kinda. A free market is generally assumed to have a large number of buyers and sellers (not an oligopoly) , and the price is determined by supply and demand, not by fiat (i.e., by force).

Even the most hardcore of capitalists will recognize that there are certain industries - typically, utilities - that are natural monopolies. In such cases, some level of regulation is generally necessary.

[dreadnought]

Dreadnought here! Dreadnought by name. Dread nought by nature!

Nothing necessary to a population should be left to the market! At least government answers to the people.

Dreadnought out.

[brad walker]

"We're all fascists now"

An interview with conservative pundit Jonah Goldberg, who argues that fascism is left-wing, not right-wing, and that contemporary liberals are fascism's intellectual offspring.

[Carl G]

"We're all fascists now"

An interview with conservative pundit Jonah Goldberg, who argues that fascism is left-wing, not right-wing, and that contemporary liberals are fascism's intellectual offspring.

Conservative, fascism, left-wing, right-wing, liberals: the terms are nonsensical appellations; they are the terms of a brainwashing indoctrination used to teach people the falsehood that there are actual distinctions between the lunatics who rule us. They represent engineered factions with which to ally ourselves in the phony contests given us to soak up our attentions and propagate the fairy tale that we are free and self-determining.

[daybrown]

"We're all fascists now"

An interview with conservative pundit Jonah Goldberg, who argues that fascism is left-wing, not right-wing, and that contemporary liberals are fascism's intellectual offspring.

Conservative, fascism, left-wing, right-wing, liberals: the terms are nonsensical appellations; they are the terms of a brainwashing indoctrination used to teach people the falsehood that there are actual distinctions between the lunatics who rule us. They represent engineered factions with which to ally ourselves in the phony contests given us to soak up our attentions and propagate the fairy tale that we are free and self-determining.

Way to go Carl. Brilliant analysis.

[Tomas]

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In K Mart Wardrobe
We waltzed across the river
Reading chinese magazines
Analyzing Himmler's dreams
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Latin generals passed for ice-cream vendors
They combed their hair in two-way mirrors
Mustacioed sales girls carried spears
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We sifted through the rubble
Sizzling bibles wept in Swahili
That's the way its gotta be
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We made it to the water's edge
Where the dollar signs turned into stars
And dogs barked black noises at Mars
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Baby this is love
Discount coupons
Broiled chickens sang us love songs from the skewer
Have you ever been his close to going down the sewer?
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[Tomas]

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The West's Orwellian Monopoly on Morality

Only Muslims are fanatics. All us white guys are rational and sane.

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=12252

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[Bondi]

"We're all fascists now"

An interview with conservative pundit Jonah Goldberg, who argues that fascism is left-wing, not right-wing, and that contemporary liberals are fascism's intellectual offspring.

Conservative, fascism, left-wing, right-wing, liberals: the terms are nonsensical appellations; they are the terms of a brainwashing indoctrination used to teach people the falsehood that there are actual distinctions between the lunatics who rule us. They represent engineered factions with which to ally ourselves in the phony contests given us to soak up our attentions and propagate the fairy tale that we are free and self-determining.

Way to go Carl. Brilliant analysis.

I understand what you mean, but just because people like to throw those terms in a derogatory sense at everything and at each other, it does not mean that you have to scrap the terms altogether. Instead, as the ancient Chinese parable said, you have to restore the true meaning of words.

[daybrown]

Thucydides:"Revolutions change the meaning of words. Bravery becomes foolhardy folly. Prudence becomes blindsided denial of new situations. To hatch a plot is seen as clever, but to discern one pure genius. "

Its always been about who has the power and organization to define the terms. Those with a more realistic concept of what is really going on are vastly more likely to survive, even thrive with the changes.

[Tomas]

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Multi-Nationals are getting bigger than Governments . . . OOPS!

The shift in the emphasis of power from the religious to the corporate sector has dramatically narrowed our perspective on life, challenging our best interests as a species.
This shift has also reduced government's ability to police and control the effects of our corporate activity upon society as a whole.
We are creating operations that are turning profit into an insatiable beast, allowing the consumer to binge on a diet of credit and material possessions which is now beginning to worry even the most cavalier of bankers.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a ... s_are_.htm


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