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I sincerely hope this nonsense doesn't take off but all the signs seem to say it will: Man is Mine
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/its- ... 24557.html
This week the Mental Health Council of Australia released a report into the first six months of the new Medicare Benefit Schedule program, which aims to increase access to GPs, psychologists and health professionals for those with mental health problems. This is the largest single measure in mental health reform in the past decade. It will cost more than half a billion dollars in the first five years.

The report found there was a remarkable uptake of the program, with more than 700,000 services charged to Medicare in the first six months of the new rebate scheme. This level of uptake suggests GPs are more than happy to engage in a discussion about mental health problems and to refer many patients to psychologists. It also suggests that GPs prefer to refer these patients to psychologists rather than social workers and occupational therapists. This move towards mainstreaming of mental health seems to be a very positive step forward.

Women aged between 25 and 50 have been the greatest beneficiaries of these new measures. Of the $78 million spent on rebates, $52 million went to women.

Young men have been the least likely to be referred to a psychologist, despite the evidence that this group is most at risk of suicide and the development of serious mental health problems.


I just found this interesting. Doctors seem to have a preference for giving care to women over men, (2/3rds to 1/3rd) when men have a more serious risk. I'd like to know just how this occurred.
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It's part of Partiarchal oppression. We want women to live longer and better just to spite them.
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Dan, you must have an awful lot of time on your hands to wander around and find slime like that website. Who cares about lowest common denominator gutter culture. Next you'll be posting stuff you dug up in the National Enquirer and Star tabloids. Then it will be, what's happening in the World Wrestling Federation? Ask Dan Rowden!
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I wasn't looking for stuff. I was walking through the flat about to make a cup of coffee and it was being advertised on TV. I think it's perfectly discussible (discussable?) evidence of the insanity of our culture.
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You don't have to look past out fair ezboard... I've stumbled upon many "anti-whatever" forums in which women have decided one thing or another is bad and should disappear from the face of the Earth. Whether it's a campaign to make alcohol disappear because her husband drank to much, a petition to shut down porn websites because her husband watches it, or, my favorite and most recent find, the forum dedicated to women who want to get pregnant... I've never quite witnessed a spectacle like it; there were emoticons everywhere, enormous sigs with things such as "Forty pounds, just ten more to go!" and glittery pictures of unicorns (I swear, 9/10ths of every thread was sig). Who tried to shut down everything you liked to do when you were a kid? Your mother because it is a rare woman who can think clearly when they have been wronged by someone and instead of blaming the person they blame whatever it was accompanied their wronging.

If their husband is an alcoholic the booze is to blame. If their husband is a drug addict the drugs are to blame. If their husband watches porn the pornography is to blame, etc into oblivion...

EDIT: And yes, I'm having some issues with women at the moment. Not girlfriend issues, I'd have to find someone I considered worth my time first, but general annoyance at femininity due to family and friends.
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ChochemV2 wrote:If their husband is an alcoholic the booze is to blame. If their husband is a drug addict the drugs are to blame. If their husband watches porn the pornography is to blame, etc into oblivion...
I think both sexes are given to this sort of mentality, though for slightly different reasons. For women it's necessary to blame external forces for the failures of their relationships and of their relations because otherwise they have to admit they have made a bad choice - that their owen judgement is faulty - and that's not an easy thing to do. "I didn't choose a dud", porn turned him into a dud". Likewise with the website I posted, it's: "He cheated because he's obviously a cheater, not because there's something wrong with me."

Women won't entertain the latter idea because it's too hard for them to think they have failed in a relationship setting. It's like a man failing at business - it's always economic circumstance and not his business acumen that caused his failure.
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Dan Rowden wrote:I think both sexes are given to this sort of mentality, though for slightly different reasons.
I won't disagree with that. I know plenty of men who would rather blame the object than themselves, however, I've always felt men were more willing to hold a person accountable for their shortcomings than women. That isn't to say that a man won't want to beat up the guy who takes his girlfriend, however, we don't make her a victim as a woman would. A woman who cheats is a(n) [insert expletive of choice] and not a poor victim of someone else's lack of morals.
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I think the place for people to start is with getting the fuck over themselves, ceasing to apportion blame and recognising that the emotional and relationship realm is extremely complicated and unpredictable. One of the truly great egotistical delusions found in relationship dynamics is the one that causes us to think we are necessarily the best thing for another person (of course, this is really just a rationalisation of our own wants and desires and possessiveness, but anyhoo..). It's hard for a woman to face that she might not be this golden treasure because relationship is what she is. Is she fails in that, what is she? Men just don't like to lose - at anything.
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According to modern society the complication and difficulty in relationships makes them worthy of the effort expended to keep them afloat and find new ones. When you refuse to argue about something inane you're not being rational you're avoiding emotional conflict and preventing the situation from reaching resolution. If you choose not to engage in relationships you're either afraid of the consequences or you have serious psychological issues. A person who doesn't seek out personal contact with many different people is troubled and needs to be put on medication and forced into social situations. And my personal favorite, one shouldn't act too intelligent around other people because you're likely to offend those of us who don't know quite so many seven letter words.
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Dan, you have all the Infinity and Emptiness of Enlightenment and God to play in and share by example, and you choose to focus on the slop of ordinary relationship, and to harp on about the worst most dirty aspects of it, at that. In public. I'm flabbergasted. I'll bet you think you're somehow helping humanity by doing this.
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There is also the whole ""love" state to begin with.

This is your brain on love

We've all read this stuff before.

But passionate love is something far stronger than that first sizzle of chemistry. "It's a drive to win life's greatest prize, the right mating partner," Fisher says. It is also, she adds, an addiction.

People in the early throes of passionate love, she says, can think of little else. They describe sleeplessness, loss of appetite, feelings of euphoria, and they're willing to take exceptional risks for the loved one.

Brain areas governing reward, craving, obsession, recklessness and habit all play their part in the trickery.

In an experiment published as a chapter in a 2006 book, "Evolutionary Cognitive Neuroscience," Fisher found 17 people who were in relationships for an average of seven months. She knew they were in love from their answers to what researchers call the Passionate Love Scale. They all said they'd feel deep despair if their lover left, and they yearned to know all there was to know about the loved one.

She put these lovesick, enraptured people in an fMRI to see what areas of their brains got active when they saw a photograph of their beloved ones.

"We found some remarkable things," she said. "We saw activity in the ventral tegmental area and other regions of the brain's reward system associated with motivation, elation and focused attention." It's the same part of the brain that presumably is active when a smoker reaches for a cigarette or when gamblers think they're going to win the lottery. No wonder it's as hard to say no to the feeling of romantic arousal as it would be to say no to a windfall in the millions. The brain has seen what it wants, and it's going to get it.

"At that point, you really wouldn't notice if he had three heads," Fisher says. "Or you'd notice, but you'd choose to overlook it."

Other studies also suggest that the brain in the first throes of love is much like a brain on drugs.

Lucy Brown, professor of neuroscience at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, has also taken fMRI images of people in the early days of a new love. In a study reported in the July 2005, Journal of Neurophysiology, she too found key activity in the ventral tegmental area. "That's the area that's also active when a cocaine addict gets an IV injection of cocaine," Brown says. "It's not a craving. It's a high."

You see someone, you click, and you're euphoric. And in response, your ventral tegmental area uses chemical messengers such as dopamine, serotonin and oxytocin to send signals racing to a part of the brain called the nucleus accumbens with the good news, telling it to start craving.

"The other person becomes a goal in your life," Brown says. He or she becomes a goal you might die without and would pack up and move across the country for. That one person begins to stand out as the one and only.

Biologically, the cravings and pleasure unleashed are as strong as any drug. Surely such a goal is worth taking risks for, and other alterations in the brain help ensure that the lovelorn will do just that. Certain regions, scientists have found, are being deactivated, such as within the amygdala, associated with fear. "That's why you can do such insane things when you're in love," Fisher says. "You would never otherwise dream of driving across the country in 13 hours, but for love, you would."

Sooner or later, excited brain messages reach the caudate nucleus, a dopamine-rich area where unconscious habits and skills, such as the ability to ride a bike, are stored.

The attraction signal turns the love object into a habit, and then an obsession. According to a 1999 study in the journal Psychological Medicine, people newly in love have serotonin levels 40% lower than normal people do -- just like people with obsessive-compulsive disorders.
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Carl G wrote:Dan, you have all the Infinity and Emptiness of Enlightenment and God to play in and share by example, and you choose to focus on the slop of ordinary relationship,
To me there's no such thing as "ordinary relationship" - it all has deep and serious implication.
and to harp on about the worst most dirty aspects of it, at that. In public. I'm flabbergasted. I'll bet you think you're somehow helping humanity by doing this.
I haven't focussed on anything; I've posted something with the thought some interesting analysis might come of it. You don't seem to get it Carl, but these seemingly inane aspects of life have deeper meaning. They don't just pop out of nowhere. Discussing that deeper reality sometimes has to have its birth in rather mundane observations of life. This is essentially a discussion (or, it is for me) of manifestation of ego framed in a particular example. If that flabbergasts you then I can't help it. If you don't have anything worthwhile to add to the discussion, don't add anything.
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ChochemV2 wrote:According to modern society the complication and difficulty in relationships makes them worthy of the effort expended to keep them afloat and find new ones.
Yes, that's the theory. But one has to ask why such a theory exists at all. It's not obviously sound to me, so what's behind it? For women, "working" at a relationship is simply the same thing as making themselves up in the mirror. The exhorting of "working" at relationships is quintessentially designed for feminine consumption. For men the concept means changing who they are. Its subtle implication is that men need to be different. Have you ever seen a woman who changed anything about herself to make a relationship work? Working at a relationship almost universally and inevitably is a euphemism for women moulding a man to suit her needs, and a man allowing it to suit his. I've always thought that if you have to work at a relationship it's stuffed to begin with. Seems to me the harder you have to work at it the less natural the relationship must be. Remember that a woman has to bring nothing to a relationship save herself. But then, to be fair, for most women just being themselves is damn hard work (at least where appearance is concerned).
When you refuse to argue about something inane you're not being rational you're avoiding emotional conflict and preventing the situation from reaching resolution. If you choose not to engage in relationships you're either afraid of the consequences or you have serious psychological issues. A person who doesn't seek out personal contact with many different people is troubled and needs to be put on medication and forced into social situations. And my personal favorite, one shouldn't act too intelligent around other people because you're likely to offend those of us who don't know quite so many seven letter words.
Indeed. "Working at relationships" is nothing more or less than "Working at Woman". Now, you may feel that's a perfectly valid thing to do, but don't be under any illusion that that is what it means.
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First off, I skimmed it and found two grammatical and one spelling error. Second, I'm surprised that they actually advertised this on Australian TV. I would have pegged it, culturally, as USA Black. The vernacular has that 'ghetto' ring to it.

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You don't seem to get it Carl, but these seemingly inane aspects of life have deeper meaning. They don't just pop out of nowhere.
I really don't think they do. The little dramas are as endless as the dreams you dream at night. The details are of passing interest. The problem with relationships is unhealthy ego, the cure is spiritual, not that most people are ready for the cure, and once cured the morrass is simply bypasssed for lack of interest.

There are plenty of smooth, almost hassle-free relationships around. They just dont talk about it.
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Good to see you back, Anna btw...
Iolaus wrote:First off, I skimmed it and found two grammatical and one spelling error. Second, I'm surprised that they actually advertised this on Australian TV. I would have pegged it, culturally, as USA Black. The vernacular has that 'ghetto' ring to it.
Yes, I agree, but I think it's intended to have a global distribution. I actually question how successful it will be in Australia. But the newest generation of men and women are both pretty awful in my view, so who can say....
There are plenty of smooth, almost hassle-free relationships around. They just dont talk about it.
I have no doubt that's at least equivocally true, but I wonder at "plenty". I'm prepared to accept "some" but I doubt "plenty". One of the problems with this concept [the site's] and a feminine driven social dynamic in general is drama for the sake of it.

I'll let that observation stand without addition.....
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Dan Rowden wrote:Yes, that's the theory. But one has to ask why such a theory exists at all. It's not obviously sound to me, so what's behind it?
It's kind of astounding how many people never really question the value of a relationship. They recognize that it is a lot of work, but never really ask if it's worth it - except joking around. Comedians get a lot of mileage out of that stuff.

It doesn't seem to be a theory, in the sense of something thought about, so much as just an assumption - yeah, that's what people do.

But then, to be fair, for most women just being themselves is damn hard work (at least where appearance is concerned).
I've heard several women make comments to that effect - that it was hard to be them (not specifically about appearance, but including that). I never figured out a non-insulting way to ask, then why do you do it? Some women, at least, seem to feel they don't really have a choice. Who else could they be?

This is your brain on love wrote:Biologically, the cravings and pleasure unleashed are as strong as any drug.
Sometimes people will give up drugs for love... but sometimes it goes the other way, too, and people give up their relationship (and sometimes a lot more than that), apparently prefering to be an addict. Is it the particular person, or the particular drug?
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DHodges wrote:
This is your brain on love wrote:Biologically, the cravings and pleasure unleashed are as strong as any drug.
Sometimes people will give up drugs for love... but sometimes it goes the other way, too, and people give up their relationship (and sometimes a lot more than that), apparently prefering to be an addict. Is it the particular person, or the particular drug?
I think it is the particular combination of a particular person and a particular drug. Drug addicts have their drug of choice, and may not even enjoy certain other drugs that other addicts have gotten addicted to. It's a matter of where the individual's biochemistry, including receptors and conditions during the growth phase that determined what homeostasis consists of for that individual, and the resultant different "missing component" to complete the individual. People seek to be complete, which is best achieved by enlightenment. When damage occurs along the way, people seek what seems to compensate for the damage. This is a good thing if done wisely, but if done unwisely (such as with street drugs or poor application of relationships) it can actually cause further damage.
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Hi Dan,
Yes, I agree, but I think it's intended to have a global distribution. I actually question how successful it will be in Australia. But the newest generation of men and women are both pretty awful in my view, so who can say....
Aw, c'mon, you can't generalize like that. It depends on what sort of groups you hang with. I've become a born again conspiracy theorist, and I would say that this is cheap entertainment, a distraction. Aussie TV sounds worse than American, but in general the quality of our news is shockingly low. My husband always watches the Russian or Ukrainian news and he says ours is very shallow.
doubt that's at least equivocally true, but I wonder at "plenty". I'm prepared to accept "some" but I doubt "plenty".
You're right, I don't know the ratio or frequency; I may have exaggerated.
One of the problems with this concept [the site's] and a feminine driven social dynamic in general is drama for the sake of it.
This is definitely a disgusting as well as tedious tendency of some poorly evolved people. It might be more common with women, it would stand to reason. A closely related phenomenon is drama due to emotional problems. Such as the jealous, controlling man. He isn't creating drama for amusement, but he is so insecure he can't relax. I can't imagine a stupider way to spend one's life than obsessing over the fidelity of one's partner.

My mother always used to say "marriage is a lot of work." It gave me a queasy feeling. I've never been willing to work at a relationship, or maybe I do and don't call it work. Even my relationships that didn't work out (first marriage) I enjoyed most of the time and never felt I was working at it. I think I did work at my second marriage, and that just goes to show that if you have to work at it, the relationship sucks.
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Dan Rowden wrote:I sincerely hope this nonsense doesn't take off but all the signs seem to say it will: Man is Mine

Thanks Dan.

Good find, read all the replies (so far) an excellent discussion is underway.


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Actually this website is an imitation of the [in]famous dontdatehimgirl.com.
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Dan Rowden wrote:I wasn't looking for stuff. I was walking through the flat about to make a cup of coffee and it was being advertised on TV.
I was quite surprised at this--you watch television Dan?
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It's part of Partiarchal oppression. We want women to live longer and better just to spite them.
Still LOL on that one
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integral wrote:
Dan Rowden wrote:I wasn't looking for stuff. I was walking through the flat about to make a cup of coffee and it was being advertised on TV.
I was quite surprised at this--you watch television Dan?
Occasionally, yeah. It's not all bad, just 99% bad. On this occasion my flatmate was watching and I was passing by and caught the story.
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It's ironic seeing people focussing on Dan's life, something irrelevant to their own spiritual progress, while they accuse him of focussing on something supposedly irrelevant to his spiritual development.
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